Re: [gentoo-dev] net-fs/nfs-utils: rpc.idmapd required on both client server side?
I've checked 1.1.4 1.2.2. Both don't seem to satisfy such a dependency: amit0 ~ # qlist -Iv nfs-utils net-fs/nfs-utils-1.1.4-r1 amit0 ~ # /etc/init.d/nfsmount ineed net rpcbind rpc.statd amit0 ~ # emerge -qKa nfs-utils [binary U ] net-fs/nfs-utils-1.2.2-r1 [1.1.4-r1] Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] y Emerging binary (1 of 1) net-fs/nfs-utils-1.2.2-r1 Installing (1 of 1) net-fs/nfs-utils-1.2.2-r1 * GNU info directory index is up-to-date. * IMPORTANT: 1 config files in '/etc' need updating. * See the CONFIGURATION FILES section of the emerge * man page to learn how to update config files. amit0 ~ # /etc/init.d/nfsmount ineed * Caching service dependencies ... [ ok ] net rpcbind rpc.statd amit0 ~ # etc-update Scanning Configuration files... The following is the list of files which need updating, each configuration file is followed by a list of possible replacement files. 1) /etc/conf.d/nfs (1) Please select a file to edit by entering the corresponding number. (don't use -3, -5, -7 or -9 if you're unsure what to do) (-1 to exit) (-3 to auto merge all remaining files) (-5 to auto-merge AND not use 'mv -i') (-7 to discard all updates) (-9 to discard all updates AND not use 'rm -i'): 1 File: /etc/conf.d/._cfg_nfs 1) Replace original with update 2) Delete update, keeping original as is 3) Interactively merge original with update 4) Show differences again Please select from the menu above (-1 to ignore this update): 1 Replacing /etc/conf.d/nfs with /etc/conf.d/._cfg_nfs mv: overwrite `/etc/conf.d/nfs'? y Exiting: Nothing left to do; exiting. :) amit0 ~ # /etc/init.d/nfsmount ineed * Caching service dependencies ... [ ok ] net rpcbind rpc.statd amit0 ~ # /etc/init.d/rpc.idmapd status * status: stopped amit0 ~ # /etc/init.d/nfsmount start * Starting NFS sm-notify ... [ ok ] * Mounting NFS filesystems ... [ ok ] amit0 ~ # /etc/init.d/rpc.idmapd status * status: stopped Could you therefore clarify? Amit On 06/14/10 21:13, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: I read in idmapd's manpage that It provides functionality to the NFSv4 kernel client and server. I'm therefore wondering whether it'd be desired to facilitate an rc dependency of nfsmount (client-side) in rpc.idmapd. /etc/init.d/nfs (server side) allows that via NFS_NEEDED_SERVICES. nfsmount already depends on rpc.idmapd when necessary -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-fs/nfs-utils: rpc.idmapd required on both client server side?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: please refrain from top posting. I've checked 1.1.4 1.2.2. Both don't seem to satisfy such a dependency: like i said, when necessary. your /etc/fstab doesnt seem to require it. -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 5.6.2010 14:41, Maciej Mrozowski napsal(a): On Saturday 05 of June 2010 02:00:02 Torsten Veller wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2010/2011 are now open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2010). All nominations must be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list. If you were nominated and want to run, you have to accept your nomination on the same mailing list. I'd like to nominate scarabeus and betelgeuse. Thanks for the nom. I accept :] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwXRQEACgkQHB6c3gNBRYfA1wCgvKfvsGh4t11BeVC//ICCHlIm vMoAoIPEvOa0KIrK2hlYgOM9gC45D0Ak =/+qG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open
I nominate the following developers *mpagano *scarabeus *wired *ssuominen *a3li 2010/6/15 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 5.6.2010 14:41, Maciej Mrozowski napsal(a): On Saturday 05 of June 2010 02:00:02 Torsten Veller wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2010/2011 are now open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2010). All nominations must be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list. If you were nominated and want to run, you have to accept your nomination on the same mailing list. I'd like to nominate scarabeus and betelgeuse. Thanks for the nom. I accept :] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwXRQEACgkQHB6c3gNBRYfA1wCgvKfvsGh4t11BeVC//ICCHlIm vMoAoIPEvOa0KIrK2hlYgOM9gC45D0Ak =/+qG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:17:20PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: I nominate the following developers ... *wired thanks, I accept. you may read my manifesto here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~wired/manifesto_2010-06.txt -- Alex Alexander :: wired Gentoo Developer www.linuxized.com pgpvYQN1MCTYR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-fs/nfs-utils: rpc.idmapd required on both client server side?
On 06/15/10 09:38, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Amit Dor-Shifer wrote: please refrain from top posting. I've checked 1.1.4 1.2.2. Both don't seem to satisfy such a dependency: like i said, when necessary. your /etc/fstab doesnt seem to require it. -mike Now I see it. 10x. Amit
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:17:20 +0300, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: *a3li Thank you, but I have to decline. My teams have lots of work right now, devoting more of my time to other things wouldn't be right. Alex signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open
I nominate the following developers *mpagano Thank-you, Markos, for your vote of confidence. I am honored and flattered but even though I thoroughly enjoy my work on Gentoo, my current full time job leaves little free time and I feel a council member really needs to dedicate time to enable positive change. Thanks, again. MIke Mike Pagano Gentoo Developer - Kernel Project E-Mail : mpag...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : EEE2 601D 0763 B60F 848C 9E14 3C33 C650 B576 E4E3 Public Key : http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xB576E4E3op=index
[gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
Hello! Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad behavior is. The term Acceptable behaviour may make sense as a counterpart to Unacceptable behaviour but feels like what you can get away with to me anyhow. What is surprising me: - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be a friendly community? Has it always been that way? - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to understand and complement each other? What can we do to make Gentoo a friendlier community? Thanks for your interest, Sebastian [1] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml [3] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml
Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
sounds like something that should be on gentoo-project -mike
[gentoo-dev] The mis-concept of slacking in Gentoo
Hello! When you are active in Gentoo during one week and less active during the next it may happen that people (sometimes jokingly) call you a slacker. This pattern seems to have become common enough that people even started calling themselves slackers when they are less active than potentially possible. Is this reasonable and healthy? No, it isn't. As far as I know most if not all Gentoo developers do unpaid voluntary work in and for Gentoo. So every single minute a Gentoo developer puts into Gentoo is a gift, incontrast to understanding every other minute a stolen one. How come such a wrong concept even made it into the process of the council? Officially being marked as a slacker? Is that the only way to ensure an active council? To get this mis-concept out again I need your help. There is no such thing as slacking in Gentoo - no matter how many weeks you ran without commits. It's time to get this understanding back to its healthy counterpart. Yes, it does make a difference to call a script activity-monitor or slacking-detector. What do we need to to do fix this? What are the places where you observe this inversion? Thanks for your interest, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] The mis-concept of slacking in Gentoo
+project, -dev On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello! When you are active in Gentoo during one week and less active during the next it may happen that people (sometimes jokingly) call you a slacker. This pattern seems to have become common enough that people even started calling themselves slackers when they are less active than potentially possible. Is this reasonable and healthy? No, it isn't. Why is it unhealthy? Do you think it encourages people to 'always meet their potential?' I think it is very healthy for developers to note when they cannot meet what many would consider their 'routine' workload so that the community can attempt to detect and meeting these staffing needs. You may dislike the manner in which some developers make this known 'hahaha I slacked off last week..' but the end result is that it happens (often in .away messages.) As far as I know most if not all Gentoo developers do unpaid voluntary work in and for Gentoo. So every single minute a Gentoo developer puts into Gentoo is a gift, incontrast to understanding every other minute a stolen one. How come such a wrong concept even made it into the process of the council? Officially being marked as a slacker? Is that the only way to ensure an active council? I would hesitate to make the assertion that every minute spent on Gentoo is a gift. You are not counting the people who do not always have a positive impact on the community (see the other thread where you brought up CoC violations and other 'gifts' of community members.) Do you disagree with the policy that council members should attend the meetings? If so why? If not, what is wrong with the existing policy; the wording? To get this mis-concept out again I need your help. There is no such thing as slacking in Gentoo - no matter how many weeks you ran without commits. It's time to get this understanding back to its healthy counterpart. Yes, it does make a difference to call a script activity-monitor or slacking-detector. I am unsure what you are actually asking to change. Are you aiming to change developer behavior? Tools? Processes? What do we need to to do fix this? What are the places where you observe this inversion? Thanks for your interest, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello! Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad behavior is. The term Acceptable behaviour may make sense as a counterpart to Unacceptable behaviour but feels like what you can get away with to me anyhow. We had enumerated bad behavior in the past and people walked the line (Ciaran is a good example; but there were others.) We had a rather open policy where DevRel had leeway to 'take necessary action' and community members cried out for abuse due to lack of transparency. We had COC enforcers that would attempt to moderate mailing list traffic. I don't think any of these were a raging success. I like the open policy one because I think it makes DevRel's job easier and the buck needs to stop somewhere. Here is a hint; if you want to stay on as a developer; don't piss of HR (or infra, or probably a number of other groups that could make your life hell.) What is surprising me: - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be a friendly community? Has it always been that way? I don't see the tone as tough; but you have to understand that I work with a bunch of socially inept engineers on a daily basis. People writing dumb crap in email is something that happens every day. I think a lot of the 'bad' threads people just reply to email every 5-10 minutes (I used to do this years ago...) Stop reading email that often. Reply to a thread once a day. If you need to converse in real time you can use jabber or irc or whatever. You tend to reach a logical consensus quicker over chat than over email. Avoid people you know you interact badly with. Do Not Feed The Trolls. I remember at work often I'd be dragged into a thread with one of the Ganeti guys; he would complain about how cfengine was awesome and puppet was crap. I tended to stop replying to that guy when that subject came up (he is a nice fellow; but holy lord the puppet vs cfengine debate could rage forever.) - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? Probably because DevRel is small. If the community expects people to act a certain way I'd expect 'the community' to call people on it; not necessarily just DevRel. Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to understand and complement each other? What can we do to make Gentoo a friendlier community? I haven't seen the crazy crap on the lists that was present in 2007-2008 so I'm actually fairly happy with the current style. I'd love to throw around more compliments but I tend to compliment people by using their software and sending them patches...or making fun of them on IRC, either way. Thanks for your interest, Sebastian [1] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml [3] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml
Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. That's a conclusion first, then a premise? I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad behavior is. The term Acceptable behaviour may make sense as a counterpart to Unacceptable behaviour but feels like what you can get away with to me anyhow. - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be a friendly community? Has it always been that way? What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who, where, when, what channel, thread? - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? When did you point this out to devrel? Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to understand and complement each other? What can we do to make Gentoo a friendlier community? Being probably guilty of all of the above, I'd say it would help if the Gentoo users would file GOOD bug reports, and would know when to use forums.g.o instead, but since I don't know what you are really referring to, I decline to answer that one. :) Regards, jer
