Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100 Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr: On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: /bin/systemctl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Marc Schiffbauer
* Michał Górny schrieb am 05.01.12 um 09:26 Uhr: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100 Marc Schiffbauer msch...@gentoo.org wrote: * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr: On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: I meant hight-level only in a way that it is not really needed to boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find and mount the rootfs, fire a getty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: I meant hight-level only in a way that it is not really needed to boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find and mount the rootfs, fire a getty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: media-radio/fldigi (unless patched for fltk-1.3)

2012-01-05 Thread Thomas Beierlein
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:59:54 +0200 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: # Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (23 Dec 2011) # Missing fltk-1.3 support and forced downgrade of fltk # in the same stabilization level which makes this gentoo-x86 # incompatible package. Bug 395747. Removal

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Duncan
Olivier Crête posted on Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:31:07 -0500 as excerpted: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: I meant hight-level only in a way that it is not really needed to boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root prompt at the console at least.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Michał Górny
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:12:26 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: But init=/bin/sh (or /bin/bash as I use here) DOES help in a surprising number of cases as long as the necessary storage and input drivers and filesystem modules are builtin. And a lot of us have strong ideas about

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:27:49AM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: 2012/1/5 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote: There's really nothing pointless or blurry about this separation. The FHS has a nice definition: The contents of the root filesystem must be

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it). While I can't speak to your comments about being unable to restart

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:08:44PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Or will /etc move to /usr too? No, /etc isn't going anywhere. Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it). Obviously, you'd have

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Or will /etc move to /usr too? No, /etc isn't going anywhere. Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to put /etc inside your

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Or will /etc move to /usr too? No, /etc isn't going anywhere. Are you

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 21:09 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Or will /etc move

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Michał Górny
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:09:35 + Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:06:18 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't claim they're crazy. I claim they're sacrificing functionality, correctness, loose coupling, simplicity, well defined behaviour, understandability and stability in order to implement questionable new shiny

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2012-01-05 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello No one from gnome team has time or is willing to keep maintaining www-misc/gurlchecker If anybody volunteers, it would be nice :) Thanks a lot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Alex Alexander
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:08:44PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Or will /etc move to /usr too? No, /etc isn't going anywhere. Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to put /etc

[gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for sys-apps/systemd - /usr migration

2012-01-05 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, I'm going to move systemd completely to /usr soonish and thus I'd like to submit the following news item for review. I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions. -- NEWS ITEM FOLLOWS -- Title: systemd /usr migration Author: Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for sys-apps/systemd - /usr migration

2012-01-05 Thread Philip Webb
120106 Michał Górny wrote: I'm going to move systemd completely to /usr soonish and thus I'd like to submit the following news item for review. I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions. -- NEWS ITEM FOLLOWS -- ... For this reason, a new revisions of all systemd versions have been

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 01/06/12 05:26, Olivier Crête wrote: [snip] The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide more functionality than any other init system, more correctness (seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out there?), more well defined behavior (all systemd systems boot

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 6 January 2012 06:14, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/06/12 05:26, Olivier Crête wrote: [snip] The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide more functionality than any other init system, more correctness (seriously, did you ever read most init scripts

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for sys-apps/systemd - /usr migration

2012-01-05 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 00:52 +0100, Michał Górny wrote: 3) a symlink is installed at /bin/systemd to ensure that current init= specifications are still valid. Please note that these features will be removed after the transitional period and users upgrading afterwards will have to manually

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for sys-apps/systemd - /usr migration

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
Hi, On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:29 -0500, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: Negative effects of removing the /bin/systemd symlink on 2021-05-01: an unknown number of users who had forgotten to update their grub.conf will discover that they can no longer boot their systems. I would suggest not

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 08:44 +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 01/06/12 05:26, Olivier Crête wrote: [snip] The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide more functionality than any other init system, more correctness (seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out