[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: renaming rc binary in OpenRC

2013-12-14 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:03:57 -0600 as excerpted: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 07:53:59PM +, Duncan wrote: William Hubbs posted on Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:23:07 -0600 as excerpted: There are reasons to run the rc binary directly; this is how you should be changing

[gentoo-dev] Re: Recommend cronie instead of vixie-cron in handbook?

2013-12-14 Thread Steven J. Long
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013, Pavlos Ratis wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=197625#c14 This has reminded me that maybe we should switch to cronie from vixie-cron as default and recommended cron provider in Handbook. Last

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:42:48 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: By all means have an @useful-utils set or some kind of profile that auto-installs a list of packages like openssh, vim, and so on. However, these are not required to bootstrap a system Since we do want net-misc/rsync,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recommend cronie instead of vixie-cron in handbook?

2013-12-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/11/2013 03:03 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: Is cronie a drop-in replacement, or do I have to do some thinking when replacing vixie-cron? It should be a drop-in. The only change to make would be to remove vixie-cron and add cronie to the default runlevel. I noticed two small differences:

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread mingdao
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 08:57:55PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: My issue with what we are currently doing is not whether we have a default network provider in the stages or not, but it is just that the netifrc use flag on OpenRC is bogus. OpenRC doesn't need netifrc for any reason. I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 05:56:33AM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, William Hubbs wrote: My issue with what we are currently doing is not whether we have a default network provider in the stages or not, but it is just that the netifrc use flag on OpenRC is

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 05:56:33AM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, William Hubbs wrote: My issue with what we are currently doing is not whether we have a default network provider in the stages or not, but it is just

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 08:47:01PM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: OK, I see what you mean. To be clear, I'm not ready to have a stage3 without netifrc. If / when we update catalyst so that the new stage3 is the sum of @system and additional packages, we can move netifrc to that

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread Luis Ressel
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:57:04 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 08:47:01PM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: OK, I see what you mean. To be clear, I'm not ready to have a stage3 without netifrc. If / when we update catalyst so that the new stage3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recommend cronie instead of vixie-cron in handbook?

2013-12-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Markos Chandras wrote: Please do not let Peter render another thread useless. Isn't it obvious that the discussion about forks is both related to cron *and* useful on its own? It's not really possible to view an entire thread as a single item. Life is more complicated than that, for good and

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread William Hubbs
You make some good points. I'll answer your questions as best as I can, but we can consider this thread closed. I will not try to put the virtual in, but I will come back to the list soon and start another thread. In a nutshell, our networking is a beast, and we should try to simplify it some how

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread mingdao
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 06:59:50PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: You make some good points. I'll answer your questions as best as I can, but we can consider this thread closed. I will not try to put the virtual in, but I will come back to the list soon and start another thread. In a nutshell,