[gentoo-dev] New herd: x11-drivers

2005-04-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just created an x11-drivers herd. This will be for external X drivers such as the Nvidia and ATi binary drivers and x11-drm. It's also for less common things such as mtx-drivers and kyro-drivers. The x11 herd will continue maintaining the X11 cor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:04:58PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >>Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> >>>You aren't the first no, but the solutions to it are limited: >>>- teach developers to use -kb where they should >> >>Wouldn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 07:04:58PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > You aren't the first no, but the solutions to it are limited: > > - teach developers to use -kb where they should > Wouldn't it be -ko for a patch? -kb is actually better than -ko, due to how it's handled

[gentoo-dev] vpopmail ebuild permissions get changed.

2005-04-24 Thread Travis Butcher
After a rebuild the permissions get reset to defaults on /var/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw The smtp server runs as non root users and needs to be able to execute this program with suid permissions. Is there a way to keep the permssions from being altered? As a result rebuilding world breaks the server. T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Finding GCC+GCJ greater than 3.4.2

2005-04-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 24 April 2005 09:03 pm, Jared Rhine wrote: > #pkg_setup() { > # if [[ ! $(built_with_use gcc gcj) ]] ; then > # eerror 'Chandler build requires that GCC be built with the "gcj" > USE flag' # die "exiting because of GCJ dependency" > # fi > #} first, that if statement is s

Re: [gentoo-dev] autoreconf -i or -s ?

2005-04-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
ive found autoreconf to be unreliable at times so i always run the diff autotools by hand in ebuilds aclocal && \ autoheader && \ ... automake -a -c || die "autotools failed" -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson wrote: > You aren't the first no, but the solutions to it are limited: > - teach developers to use -kb where they should Wouldn't it be -ko for a patch? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using Gn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse dependency Scanning

2005-04-24 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
I've made a small python wrapper around depreverse, which is available here: http://tdegreni.free.fr/gentoo/dotfinder.py It has a similar purpose as your "finder.sh" wrapper, but outputs its results as a graph in dot format (with 4 layers: requested packages, contents files, depended-on files, an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 03:04:48AM +0200, Anders Rune Jensen wrote: > Let me first start by saying that committing straight to stable was > clearly a mistake. I can't help wonder why CVS would change patch files > (it probably doesn't know the difference between ordinary files and > patches) This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Anders Rune Jensen
On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 14:44 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Since keywording policy seems to be being ignored again... Don't *ever* > commit new ebuild revisions straight to stable, even if you think it's a > trivial fix. There are plenty of things that could go wrong even with > simple patches --

[gentoo-dev] Finding GCC+GCJ greater than 3.4.2

2005-04-24 Thread Jared Rhine
This question relates to ebuild development, and is being asked by a non-developer. Apologies if there's a better forum for the question (perhaps gentoo-toolchain?) I've developed an ebuild for a package which requires GCJ >= 3.4.2 (GCJ is specifically required for its ability to translate Java t

[gentoo-dev] autoreconf -i or -s ?

2005-04-24 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Hi, Just another consult-post just to see the opinion of the developers (and of the users who know what to say :) ). There are a few packages which, under some strange autotools combinations which not always are reproducible, suffer from an error like Putting files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, `autoto

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 24 April 2005 05:09 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Of course, there's the occasional notable exception who regularly screws > stuff up and just plain doesn't care. spank me ! :( -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 24 April 2005 23:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>They're >>supposed to do that for the first month or so (depending upon how long >>it is before it becomes obvious that you're safe). > > I was talking about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:37:00 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Sunday 24 April 2005 23:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > They're | > supposed to do that for the first month or so (depending upon how | > long it is before it becomes obvious that you're safe). | | I was t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' PettenÃ
On Sunday 24 April 2005 23:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > They're > supposed to do that for the first month or so (depending upon how long > it is before it becomes obvious that you're safe). I was talking about double-checking *every* commit of every developer. That will be an overkill, imho. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:24:08 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I think that doing something like that, surely will increase safety, | but will also drive gentoo out of the world. | | We have already too many packages which needs maintainers, and having | to double-ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 24 April 2005 23:08, Francesco Riosa wrote: > Also if who approves is _not_ the mentor / sane a 4 eyes check is always > a good thing (TM) it's the way kernel develop is going from years now, > right? I think that doing something like that, surely will increase safety, but will also driv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:59:14 +0200 foser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 21:29 +0100, Paul Waring wrote: | > Why not have a three strike rule - anyone who commits something | > straight to stable 3 times in a given period (say 6 months) has | > their CVS access revoked. | | It's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Paul Waring
On 4/24/05, foser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not California here. You completely ignore the fact that some > people commit more than others and as such are more likely to trip over > such a rule anyway and the people who do commit a lot are usually the > same people you don't want to revoke

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Francesco Riosa
>What I'd *like* to see is all new devs and any dev who has a history of >breaking things committing to a branch rather than the main tree, and >having their commits approved (merged) by their mentor / someone sane. > > Also if who approves is _not_ the mentor / sane a 4 eyes check is always a g

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system

2005-04-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 24 April 2005 04:54 pm, Athul Acharya wrote: > > Possibly there should be a "tradunix" ebuild that pulls in all the > > traditional Unix stuff as dependencies (and is otherwise empty), and > > similarly for other sets of things people hold dear, just to act as > > macros when you're setti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread foser
On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 21:29 +0100, Paul Waring wrote: > Why not have a three strike rule - anyone who commits something > straight to stable 3 times in a given period (say 6 months) has their > CVS access revoked. It's not California here. You completely ignore the fact that some people commit mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system

2005-04-24 Thread Athul Acharya
> Possibly there should be a "tradunix" ebuild that pulls in all the > traditional Unix stuff as dependencies (and is otherwise empty), and > similarly for other sets of things people hold dear, just to act as > macros when you're setting up a system. I think this is a spectacular idea. The push

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Paul Waring
On 4/24/05, Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heh, comming from non-gentoo email address :-) I get just as annoyed if someone commits something straight to stable and it breaks something on my system. :) Paul -- Rogue Tory www.roguetory.org.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:29:19 +0100 Paul Waring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 4/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Since keywording policy seems to be being ignored again... Don't | > *ever* commit new ebuild revisions straight to stable, even if you | > think it's a trivial fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Jan Kundrát
Paul Waring wrote: > Why not have a three strike rule - anyone who commits something > straight to stable 3 times in a given period (say 6 months) has their > CVS access revoked. Heh, comming from non-gentoo email address :-) -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Descr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Paul Waring
On 4/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since keywording policy seems to be being ignored again... Don't *ever* > commit new ebuild revisions straight to stable, even if you think it's a > trivial fix. There are plenty of things that could go wrong even with > simple patches -- for

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system

2005-04-24 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alec Warner wrote: > The base-install doesn't include a lot of things I would consider > essential on most systems ( log daemon, cron, mta ) yet those are not in > system. That is the primary reason why we have a handbook and ask that > people both read and follow it. If it's generally agreed tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Aaron Walker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Don't *ever* commit new ebuild revisions straight to stable, even if you > think it's a > trivial fix. Indeed! I learned that lesson with bug 73072 :) - -- Aaron Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ BSD | cron | forensics | shell-

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Collins Richey
On 4/24/05, Michael Hanselmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello > > > funnily enough the PHP Guys recommended Apache 1.3 only for a long time. > > I've been using Apache 2 and PHP (CGI due to suEXEC) for more than two > years now on a public webserver. It've never expierenced any > instabilitie

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system

2005-04-24 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony de Boer wrote: > Alin Nastac wrote: > >>when was the last time you used ed? it is a completely useless editor, >>peeps use vim instead. > > > I use "vi", not "vim", though of course the former is a symlink to the > latter on Linux systems fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system

2005-04-24 Thread Anthony de Boer
Alin Nastac wrote: > when was the last time you used ed? it is a completely useless editor, > peeps use vim instead. I use "vi", not "vim", though of course the former is a symlink to the latter on Linux systems for the last number of years. Last time I used ed was on an RH system with a broken /

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Michael Hanselmann
Hello > funnily enough the PHP Guys recommended Apache 1.3 only for a long time. I've been using Apache 2 and PHP (CGI due to suEXEC) for more than two years now on a public webserver. It've never expierenced any instabilities. Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux Developer using m0n0wall | http://

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Juergen Hoetzel
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 03:43:10PM +, Casey Allen Shobe - SeattleServer Mailing Lists wrote: > On Friday 22 April 2005 23:26, Omer Cohen wrote: > > I've been working with it since it came out. > > > > And I made big projects with more then a few classes and objects and it all > > worked fine,

Re: [gentoo-dev] framework for local auto patching

2005-04-24 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 24/04/2005-11:02:19(-0400): Ned Ludd types > The dev-portage@ guys will probably hate me for telling the rest of you > this kinda framework is even remotely possible but I'm sure they will > get over it.. (hi ferringb) > > If your like me and have a rather large customized overlay to ap

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:43:10 + Casey Allen Shobe - SeattleServer Mailing Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I strongly agree. We actually lost a client recently because we | adhere to the stable tree of Gentoo but our PHP was too dated for | them (they wanted PHP 5.x). See, this is why we h

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Casey Allen Shobe - SeattleServer Mailing Lists
On Friday 22 April 2005 23:26, Omer Cohen wrote: > I've been working with it since it came out. > > And I made big projects with more then a few classes and objects and it all > worked fine, I didn't have any problems with it. > It's not like a group of 100 people from microsoft tested it and said

[gentoo-dev] framework for local auto patching

2005-04-24 Thread Ned Ludd
The dev-portage@ guys will probably hate me for telling the rest of you this kinda framework is even remotely possible but I'm sure they will get over it.. (hi ferringb) If your like me and have a rather large customized overlay to apply misc patches to misc packages that really don't change muc

[gentoo-dev] Committing straight to stable

2005-04-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Since keywording policy seems to be being ignored again... Don't *ever* commit new ebuild revisions straight to stable, even if you think it's a trivial fix. There are plenty of things that could go wrong even with simple patches -- for example, if you accidentally included some CVS Id: lines in yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 24/04/2005-11:00:54(+0200): Jan Kundrát types > D. Wokan wrote: > > Actually, I can understand avoiding unnecessary bit flipping. I've done > > that in databases on occasion. I'll write a SQL statement that checks > > if there are matching records for an update instead of just executing

Re: [gentoo-dev] PHP5 Unstable ?

2005-04-24 Thread Jan Kundrát
D. Wokan wrote: > Actually, I can understand avoiding unnecessary bit flipping. I've done > that in databases on occasion. I'll write a SQL statement that checks > if there are matching records for an update instead of just executing a > statement that makes changes to those matching records. De

Re: [gentoo-dev] upcoming mirror cleansing

2005-04-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 04:55:14PM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 08:49:59AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: > > Hola all. > [snip] > > under 'Deletions for Sunday May 01 2005' > unknown: > portage-2.0.51.20.tar.bz2 sandbox-1.2.tar.bz2 > Perhaps a major glitch here, sin