Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread twofourtysix
On 05/07/05, Robert Paskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have encouraged gentoo to remove patent-encoumbered software from portage. I'd like to see you personally work with only software that does not contain any patented work. No, I have encouraged Gentoo to remove software written by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread twofourtysix
On 05/07/05, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not being privvy to -core ( where I hear this was started and subsequently moved to -dev ) I can only assume you didn't find what you wanted on -core and are trolling for a decent response here. Not being privy to -core either, I am wondering

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 twofourtysix wrote: On 05/07/05, Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 06:59:24AM +0100, twofourtysix wrote: uncensored, I'll accept that Gentoo as an organisation has no influence over the content. Otherwise, by moderating

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Robert Paskowitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 twofourtysix wrote: On 05/07/05, Robert Paskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have encouraged gentoo to remove patent-encoumbered software from portage. I'd like to see you personally work with only software that does not contain any patented

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Anthony Gorecki
On Monday, July 04, 2005 11:19 pm, Jon Portnoy wrote: I am wondering why we have anonymous trolls on this mailing list. This is a public mailing list that doesn't use message filters. -- Anthony Gorecki Ectro-Linux Foundation pgp3MElZoJB2f.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Stuart Longland
Anthony Gorecki wrote: On Monday, July 04, 2005 10:14 pm, Stuart Longland wrote: Why stop there? Why not extend it to hardware manufacturers that make heavy use of patents? Good luck finding a decent video card for that lovely desktop of yours. :-) I'm still holding out hope that the open

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Kumba
twofourtysix wrote: Not being privy to -core either, I am wondering about the apparently hypocritical stance being taken on this issue. I'm not sure if you caught the last few mails, but as stated, opinions posted on the Planet/Blog/Bathroom Stall are simply _opinions_ of individual

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
On 7/5/05, Kumba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) This pointless debate will eventually die, because if it doesn't I'm going to start quoting select excerpts from Vogon Poetry. 3) If the Vogon Poetry fails, I'll start reading excerpts from Grunthos the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Stuart Longland
twofourtysix wrote: On 05/07/05, Robert Paskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have encouraged gentoo to remove patent-encoumbered software from portage. I'd like to see you personally work with only software that does not contain any patented work. No, I have encouraged Gentoo to remove

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 06:13 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: Mostly, I was hoping that all those people who seem more than happy to advocate something with *words* would be prepared to back them up with *actions*. I think it's a shame that Gentoo is prepared to encourage people to pester their

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 13:42 -0500, Brian D. Harring wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 02:30:12PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 01 July 2005 02:11 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: Meanwhile, back to the you want us to add what?, our dependency graph *is* incomplete. so what ? i dont

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 10:09 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: On 05/07/05, Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 06:13 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: Mostly, I was hoping that all those people who seem more than happy to advocate something with *words* would be prepared to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion: alternative compatible utilities

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 14:45 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: Azarah wrote:[Sat Jun 18 2005, 07:23:19AM EDT] You might however say install all gnuish tools with the 'g' prefix, and then install wrapper scripts/stubs into say /usr/bin/gnu/ or /bin/gnu/ (with /usr/bin/gnu/find calling gfind, etc),

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 11:25 +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: A bit late I know, but just for interest sake .. virtuals is usually used when more than one package usually provides the same compatible api/tool ... which basically means pcmcia-cs and pcmciautils do the same thing and cannot be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 15:14 +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: Good luck finding a decent video card for that lovely desktop of yours. :-) Who needs video cards? My old VT-100 A4 terminal works just fine. ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 14:11 +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 11:25 +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: A bit late I know, but just for interest sake .. virtuals is usually used when more than one package usually provides the same compatible api/tool ... which basically

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 07:35 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: On that note.. Would you mind compiling it one time with a gcc built with +boundschecking and then enabling CFLAGS+= -fbounds-checking as a basic q/a check. Reason being that if nobody has ever included it anywhere the chances of it being

[gentoo-dev] Adding perl to packages.build

2005-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
First off, I'm going to ask that everyone please respond on gentoo-dev, I am sending this to -core to try to catch everyone. I am wanting to add dev-lang/perl to packages.build in default-linux. Now, allow me to explain before you guys break out the torches and pitchforks. The new current stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtual: virtual/pcmcia

2005-07-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 07:35 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: On that note.. Would you mind compiling it one time with a gcc built with +boundschecking and then enabling CFLAGS+= -fbounds-checking as a basic q/a check. Reason being that if nobody has ever included it anywhere the chances of it being

[gentoo-dev] DEPEND on alternative release series of a package

2005-07-05 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
I want to add an ebuild for APC 3.0.0 (dev-php/PECL-apc) to portage but am stuck with the following problem: APC 3.0.0 works with PHP 4.3.X and PHP 5.1.X but not with PHP 5.0.X. To block the installation of APC 3.0.0 with PHP 5.0.X I added the following to the ebuild: DEPEND=...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Software patents

2005-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 04:07 +0100, twofourtysix wrote: Are these people prepared to back up their views by removing from the tree all those ebuilds for software made by companies who make heavy use of software patents? That would be far more effective, and may even encourage a few mainstream

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Lance Albertson
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 05 July 2005 04:21 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote: 1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is unreachable).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: Hi, snip 1. The Gentoo package's maintainer will identify one *named* contact UPSTREAM for security-related matters, and one named general contact UPSTREAM (as a fallback for when the security contact is

[gentoo-dev] inetd/xinetd useflags

2005-07-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Time for cleanups in Gentoo/FreeBSD.. we already disabled inetd building in our latest ebuilds, but that isn't exactly sorted out for a reason: I don't know how to deal with xinetd. Let me summarize: inetd is the old-unix-insecure implementation that it's usually used. xinetd is a (drop-in?)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed security policy for web-based apps

2005-07-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:21:35 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd like to introduce the following security policy for web-based apps. If there are no objections, every new web-based app will have to conform to the policy before it can be added to the tree. Every existing

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Brian Jackson
Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 15:59 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 July 2005 12:25 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: Currently, we pretty much leave out the big dogs of build depends from ebuilds- basically we rely on the profile to

Re: [gentoo-dev] inetd/xinetd useflags

2005-07-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 06:17 pm, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: inetd is the old-unix-insecure implementation that it's usually used. xinetd is a (drop-in?) replacement for it which is now used by quite everyone who wants an inetd-style daemons. you cant technically say it's a drop in since

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.desc and use.local.desc cleanup

2005-07-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 01:23, Mike Frysinger wrote: nothing should be using freetype ... i'll go ahead and delete that from global since it shouldnt have been added in the first place Doesn't this remember you of some dupe bugs of us? :P -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò Gentoo Developer -

[gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Sven Wegener
Hi all! Short explanation for the subject: A *DEPEND mismatch is when a package is listed in DEPEND, but missing in RDEPEND and vice versa. I have a list of ebuilds at http://dev.gentoo.org/~swegener/qa/depend-mismatches that contain such mismatches. I've already whitelisted packages like

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 08:00 pm, Sven Wegener wrote: contains a lot of false positives. I can whitelist packages for DEPEND or RDEPEND either general, based on eclass usage or for a specific package. If you are sure that your package has a safe mismatch, I can add it to the whitelist. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 02:12, Mike Frysinger wrote: you should def whitelist for DEPEND only: dev-util/cvs is used by vlc during build process (BDEPEND?) Still there are a few other RDEPEND which makes sense to not be DEPEND, especially for scripts. -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEPEND mismatches

2005-07-05 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 02:00:24AM +0200, Sven Wegener wrote: [snip] Could you possibly split the stuff into two files? one for RDEPEND.only and one for DEPEND.only? I see a lot more FP for RDEPEND.only. Many of the RDEPEND.only are correct, as the packages are just scripts that call other

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 18:17 -0500, Brian Jackson wrote: Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 15:59 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 July 2005 12:25 pm, Brian D. Harring wrote: Currently, we pretty much leave out the big dogs of

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting build deps out from depends

2005-07-05 Thread Brian Jackson
Martin Schlemmer wrote: snip Big picture here: * BDEPEND does nothing now, so don't worry about it if you don't want to * in the future it will make other things possible * give the man problems you see with the proposal, not just tell him that portage doesn't handle it right now... I think out

Re: [gentoo-dev] inetd/xinetd useflags

2005-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: personally i'd support a doxinetd func that would check to see if xinetd is installed rather than go with a USE flag ... This kind of auto-enabling stuff is our bane upstream, so I don't see that creating more of it ourselves