[gentoo-dev] dev-libs/lzo-2 help

2005-09-11 Thread Daniel

To anyone out there with a bit of skill and lack of direction.

I've been meaning to do this for a while but have lost time.

A number of packages that depend on lzo don't work with lzo-2. Your mission, 
if you choose to accept it, is to work out which programs:
a. won't recognise/link to the new lzo-2
b. will break if you remove ~lzo-1

After achieving these two tasks is to provide patches to bugs.gentoo.org. If 
you are very confortable with your patch you can submit it to the upstream 
maintainer.

The pool of potential applications is:

$ fgrep -lr dev-libs/lzo . --include \*.ebuild
./app-arch/lzop/lzop-1.01.ebuild
./app-backup/mondo-rescue/mondo-rescue-1.47.ebuild
./app-backup/mondo-rescue/mondo-rescue-1.61.ebuild
./app-backup/mondo-rescue/mondo-rescue-1.65.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-1.4.2.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-1.4.2-r1.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-1.5.0.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-1.5.5.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-0.9.7-r1.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-0.9.5-r1.ebuild
./media-video/mkvtoolnix/mkvtoolnix-1.0.1.ebuild
./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r4.ebuild
./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r5.ebuild
./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre7-r1.ebuild
./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r6.ebuild
./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre7.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-0.6.11.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-0.6.14.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-0.6.12-r1.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-0.6.12-r2.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-1.0.0.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-0.6.13-r1.ebuild
./media-video/transcode/transcode-0.6.14-r2.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.0.17.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.2.5.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.2.3-r1.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.2.4.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.0.25.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.2.3.ebuild
./net-libs/gnutls/gnutls-1.2.6.ebuild
./net-misc/openvpn/openvpn-2.0.ebuild
./net-misc/openvpn/openvpn-2.0-r1.ebuild
./net-misc/openvpn/openvpn-2.0.1.ebuild
./net-misc/openvpn/openvpn-1.5.0-r1.ebuild
./net-misc/openvpn/openvpn-1.6.0.ebuild
./net-misc/tinc/tinc-1.0.2.ebuild
./net-misc/tinc/tinc-1.0.3.ebuild
./net-misc/vtun/vtun-2.5-r1.ebuild
./net-misc/vtun/vtun-2.5-r2.ebuild
./net-misc/vtun/vtun-2.5.ebuild
./net-misc/vtun/vtun-2.6.ebuild
./x11-misc/dxpc/dxpc-3.8.2.ebuild
./sys-block/partimage/partimage-0.6.2.ebuild
./sys-block/partimage/partimage-0.6.4-r1.ebuild
./sys-block/partimage/partimage-0.6.4-r2.ebuild
./sys-block/partimage/partimage-0.6.4.ebuild
./sys-block/partimage/partimage-0.6.4-r3.ebuild
./sys-block/partimage/partimage-0.6.4-r4.ebuild

Have fun and don't say I never think of you.

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[gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
Several core ROX programs are out of date. 

Rox bug # 102228
Rox-lib bug # 79333
Rox-clib bug # 78309

Despite the above bug reports, and copies to the current listed
maintainers, the products are not being updated.

Rox is among the easiest programs to maintain, and many ebuilds simply
need to be renamed in order to work.

In addition, I and others have contributed ebuilds for consideration,
and they continue to languish or are assigned to the maintainer-wanted
alias. I have offered to produce ebuilds for review and submission. I
was told I needed to become a developer. While I would be happy to take
on the responsibility, I don't see why it would be necessary. The
ebuilds are already there for you. Just search ROX in bugzilla. I don't
need my name on it. However, I do feel strongly that if you are going to
offer a package suite in portage, you have an obligation to keep it
current -- ESPECIALLY when the user community is doing the work already.
No one is asking for any special work to be done -- just that bugs are
responded to and handled.

I do not know what happened to the listed rox maintainers, svyatogor and
lanius or why they are not updating rox.

I was wondering what it will take to have the portage tree updated. With
the two libraries noted above, they are blockers to some of the rox
applications and really need to be resolved.

At least have the rox bugs reviewed and cleared out. Most of the ebuilds
have already been submitted and are being used. They deserve to be
placed in portage.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco R
Michael Kohl wrote:

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:24:46 +0200
Maurice van der Pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Is this path going to be published somewhere or is this mail it?



As Francesco said he won't publish a guide somewhere and I think MySQl
is a widely used package, I decided to write up a little guide:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~citizen428/mysql-update.txt

Yep, it's only plain text, no fancy GuideXML. I'm tired, so the wording
most probably isn't perfect. Still it's better than nothing and you
have a link to give to interested users...
  

Convert a document from text to xml is something that I can do ;) .

http://dev.gentoo.org/~vivo/doc/mysql-update.html
/home/vivo/public_html/docmysql-update.xml
the xml is chmoded 664, change, destroy, and revert whatever you want there.

It's a extended and reorganized version from your txt doc.

Hope someone finds this useful,
  

me for sure, thanks a lot.

Documentation herd what now ?
cheers Francesco
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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Francesco R wrote:
 Documentation herd what now ?

Well, standard procedure is to create bugreport and assign it to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; I don't know how many GDP members read every single
message on this list :-).

-jkt

[apologies if you get this twice; blame thunderbird and/or
suspend2-sources :-)]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 September 2005 00:05, Francesco R wrote:
 http://dev.gentoo.org/~vivo/doc/mysql-update.html

With step 2, you should probably mention the issues that can arise with 
non-ASCII data in char fields. The character set really needs to specified 
in the dump. After the upgrade to 4.1, the default charset of the server 
should be set to something compatible and then the charset of the data 
should be specified to mysql when re-importing the backup.

Just another one of the many gotchas...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs/lzo-2 help

2005-09-11 Thread Marcin 'aye' Kryczek
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 07:55:36PM +1000, Daniel wrote:
 ./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r4.ebuild
 ./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r5.ebuild
 ./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre7-r1.ebuild
 ./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r6.ebuild
 ./media-video/mplayer/mplayer-1.0_pre7.ebuild

here's a patch for mplayer:
http://darcs.frugalware.org/repos/frugalware-current/source/xapps/mplayer/mplayer-1.0pre7-lzo2.patch.bz2
i was able to compile and run all mplayer's version from portage with it
(with USE=lzo and lzo-2 installed ofcourse).

i'll keep testing other programs


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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 17:50 +0200, Maurice van der Pot wrote:

 If bugs are not handled in a timely manner, it is because we're
 shorthanded. This is also the reason new ebuilds are often assigned to
 maintainer-wanted. We'd rather not add packages to portage if there is
 no developer to pick up maintenance for them. Remember that we are all
 investing our spare time to work on Gentoo, we're not getting paid.
 We'd rather focus on removing bugs from packages already in portage than
 on adding new packages.
 
 Also for some packages it is hard to find a maintainer because it is
 best if the maintainer is also an active user of the package. If a
 relatively small group of people uses a package, it's much harder to
 find a suitable maintainer.
 
 If you see an area that could use an extra developer working on it and
 you think you could be that developer, by all means apply for the
 position.
 
 Here are some links of interest:
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/index.xml
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2
 
 Regards,
 Maurice.
 

I am well aware of all this:

2.b. Helping out

Firstly; to be asked to become a developer you should either apply to an
opening, or just help out whether in the form of user support or filing
bug reports - we notice frequent contributors making contributions to
Gentoo and we attempt to reward them by giving them the chance to become
a Gentoo developer. Gentoo has many paths, and the Gentoo Developer
Relations Recruitment Team is always looking out not just for developers
- documentation writers and infrastructure maintainers are just as
important too for our distribution to run smoothly.

You should look out for openings for developers in the GWN, as well as
the /topic of #gentoo-bugs on irc.freenode.net - if you feel you could
fill in one of those positions, try to find a mentor who is willing to
sponsor you, or contact the Gentoo Recruiters who may be able to find a
mentor for you. Please do not file New Developer bugs on yourself
since this task is designated for the mentor and any such bugs will be
closed.
-

Certainly, I am others have fulfilled this. I have emailed the two
maintainers offering to assist. No response.

For some reason, rox does not show up as a staffing need. That should be
corrected.

I'm not going to bloat this thread. I am here to help, and I know at
least one other fellow who probably would be willing to help too. It's
easy, quick, and will make what users there are for rox happy.

As I noted, the intent here was not to add any additional work for
developers. On the contrary, the work is done already. We're already
helping out we're filing bug reports, we're creating ebuilds that
work. All that needs to be done is get them into portage.

If you are unable to find a suitable developer to maintain rox, then
please let me know and I will see about assembling a herd for it.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco R
Martin Schlemmer wrote:
[...]

Just use bash's built-in read function:

-
local password newpasswd
# Read the password into $password
read -sp Please enter password:  password
# Just echo a newline so that next output start on new line
echo
  

[...]

Or something to that regards.
  

In Cvs, thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Jason Wever

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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Francesco R wrote:


Please notice that MySQL-5.0 has been erroneously unmasked for few hours
but it will return under the package.mask cover at next rsync.

The MySQL herd is pleased to announce that Mysql 4.1 has been unmasked
today and is now marked unstable.


Is there any particular reason that the utf8 use flag was re-introduced 
rather than using the unicode use flag like everything else does (and was 
standardized on)?


Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco R
Jason Wever wrote:

 On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Francesco R wrote:

  Please notice that MySQL-5.0 has been erroneously unmasked for few
 hours
  but it will return under the package.mask cover at next rsync.
 
  The MySQL herd is pleased to announce that Mysql 4.1 has been unmasked
  today and is now marked unstable.


 Is there any particular reason that the utf8 use flag was
 re-introduced rather than using the unicode use flag like everything
 else does (and was standardized on)?

Because it does not Adds support for Unicode but switch default to
utf8 character set in MySQL config file, it's not possible to
deactivate support for unicode in 4.1 version.


 Regards,
 -- Jason Wever
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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco R
Jason Stubbs wrote:

On Monday 12 September 2005 00:05, Francesco R wrote:
  

http://dev.gentoo.org/~vivo/doc/mysql-update.html



With step 2, you should probably mention the issues that can arise with 
non-ASCII data in char fields. The character set really needs to specified 
in the dump. After the upgrade to 4.1, the default charset of the server 
should be set to something compatible and then the charset of the data 
should be specified to mysql when re-importing the backup.
  

--default-character-set=charset
should be that of my.cnf config file, mysqldump don't permit an atomic
setting of this variable.
The only option for this kind of users is to atomically dump the tables
and then concat the results.

Importing in mysql-4.1 it's ok, provided your default character set is utf8.

Russian, asian whatever person has experience on this please speak now
to correct what affermed here.

Just another one of the many gotchas...

  

expand this please

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last call for media-video/spca50x

2005-09-11 Thread Mike Doty

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| media-video/spca5xx.  Unless someone objects in the next 7 days, I will
| remove it from the tree.
|
going, going, gone.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:46:25 +0200 Francesco R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  Is there any particular reason that the utf8 use flag was
|  re-introduced rather than using the unicode use flag like everything
|  else does (and was standardized on)?
| 
| Because it does not Adds support for Unicode but switch default to
| utf8 character set in MySQL config file, it's not possible to
| deactivate support for unicode in 4.1 version.

Bleh. A USE flag for a configuration file setting? Just install with
sane defaults and let the sysadmin change it if necessary...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco R
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:46:25 +0200 Francesco R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  Is there any particular reason that the utf8 use flag was
|  re-introduced rather than using the unicode use flag like everything
|  else does (and was standardized on)?
| 
| Because it does not Adds support for Unicode but switch default to
| utf8 character set in MySQL config file, it's not possible to
| deactivate support for unicode in 4.1 version.

Bleh. A USE flag for a configuration file setting? Just install with
sane defaults and let the sysadmin change it if necessary...

  

Agree, all toghether please say that it should be defaulted to utf8
also if the previous default was latin1.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:42:11PM -0400, Peter Hyman wrote:
 Certainly, I am others have fulfilled this. I have emailed the two
 maintainers offering to assist. No response.

I can't speak for them. If they're non-responsive and you want to become
a developer, contact the recruiters.

 For some reason, rox does not show up as a staffing need. That should be
 corrected.

True, that page probably only lists the most critical areas.

 If you are unable to find a suitable developer to maintain rox, then
 please let me know and I will see about assembling a herd for it.

When I was composing my previous message I had something like I don't
know rox, but in there. I didn't mean to suggest rox was such a package.

Maurice.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jan Kundrát wrote:
 Well, standard procedure is to create bugreport and assign it to the
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; I don't know how many GDP members read every single
 message on this list :-).

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105626

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Alin Nastac
Peter Hyman wrote:

Firstly; to be asked to become a developer you should either apply to an
opening, or just help out whether in the form of user support or filing
bug reports - we notice frequent contributors making contributions to
Gentoo and we attempt to reward them by giving them the chance to become
a Gentoo developer. Gentoo has many paths, and the Gentoo Developer
Relations Recruitment Team is always looking out not just for developers
- documentation writers and infrastructure maintainers are just as
important too for our distribution to run smoothly.

You should look out for openings for developers in the GWN, as well as
the /topic of #gentoo-bugs on irc.freenode.net - if you feel you could
fill in one of those positions, try to find a mentor who is willing to
sponsor you, or contact the Gentoo Recruiters who may be able to find a
mentor for you. Please do not file New Developer bugs on yourself
since this task is designated for the mentor and any such bugs will be
closed.
-

Certainly, I am others have fulfilled this. I have emailed the two
maintainers offering to assist. No response.

For some reason, rox does not show up as a staffing need. That should be
corrected.

I'm not going to bloat this thread. I am here to help, and I know at
least one other fellow who probably would be willing to help too. It's
easy, quick, and will make what users there are for rox happy.

As I noted, the intent here was not to add any additional work for
developers. On the contrary, the work is done already. We're already
helping out we're filing bug reports, we're creating ebuilds that
work. All that needs to be done is get them into portage.

If you are unable to find a suitable developer to maintain rox, then
please let me know and I will see about assembling a herd for it.
  


Indeed, your name is everywhere when it comes down to rox thing. Because
your dedication on rox subject, I am willing to help you become a dev,
but I need to be sure you are not going to dissapear in the very next
moment.
Gentoo history is full of such individuals who only want to be sure that
they could become devs but are not willing to put any effort behind it.

Do you want be a dev? Are you sure you could take the heat? What do you
expect from Gentoo and what do you have to offer in exchange?

Please email me the answers to these questions on my private address. I
need to know you a bit before I decide if I could mentor you or not.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Łukasz Damentko
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:36:55 +0200
Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jan Kundrát wrote:
  Well, standard procedure is to create bugreport and assign it to the
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; I don't know how many GDP members read every single
  message on this list :-).
 
 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105626


Doc is now published as
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mysql-upgrading.xml, for your reading
pleasure.

with regards,

Łukasz Damentko

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[gentoo-dev] FAQs for maintainer-wanted ebuilds

2005-09-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
I've put together a kind of FAQ for the most common maintainer-wanted
problems:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/docs/mw-faq/

The idea is to replace most of my usual bullet points in the please
fix list with URLs with more complete explanations.

Any additions or suggestions for changes would be appreciated. Please
do not GuideXMLify this unless you first make XML not suck. I like my
nice sane memorisable consistent URLs and quickly updateable content.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Lukasz Damentko

2005-09-11 Thread Jose Luis Rivero (YosWinK)

Sven Vermeulen wrote:

On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 12:21:30AM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:


internal GDP joke
Is staking, poking out of the eyes and burning of hands considered a
warm welcome? :-)
/internal GDP joke



Must have missed a few memo's. I thought only YoswinK was allowed to do
this.



You know some people want to use my methods ... bah! impostors!

Btw, i see it's too late to stop dev status for rane so ... i'll say:
- be careful, you know what you don't have to touch.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Lukasz Damentko

2005-09-11 Thread Łukasz Damentko
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:51:42 +0200
Jose Luis Rivero (YosWinK) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 internal GDP joke
 Is staking, poking out of the eyes and burning of hands considered a
 warm welcome? :-)
 /internal GDP joke
  
  
  Must have missed a few memo's. I thought only YoswinK was allowed to do
  this.
  
 
 You know some people want to use my methods ... bah! impostors!
 
 Btw, i see it's too late to stop dev status for rane so ... i'll say:
 - be careful, you know what you don't have to touch.

Hehe, i expected warm welcome but crowd of people with torches chasing
me is too much... :]

with regards,

Łukasz Damentko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [Summary] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-11 Thread Ed W

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:


On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:03:37 +0100 Ed W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| As an outsider reading that summary the message *I* read is that
| there is some strain over fitting the development model into
| stable, ~, and package.mask.  I think I see people basically
| saying that they have differing views over what qualifies for each
| level?

The system basically works. The problems are:

* It's not always used correctly.
* It's not entirely understood by some users.
* Some users think it should be easier to unmask a group of related
packages.
 



Might there be an option 4 which is that a slightly different system 
might stop everyone bitching over the current one and hence avoid 
wasting some time?  Nope, no idea what that would be, but the thought 
does occur when you see some time being wasted on trivial issues...



| Also, as someone who has submitted a few patches and some ebuilds and 
| then seen nothing happen to them and my offers to act as maintainer

| have gone unresponded I also wonder if there is some way to make
| better use of casual contributors like me? (I'm not bitter, it's just
| that I feel I could contribute more, but don't know how to?)

The problem is... Getting someone ready to be able to commit to the
main tree is expensive in terms of existing developer time. The
solution isn't lowering the standards for commit access, because that
just leads to even more wasted developer time. There's the two tier
system that gets proposed every now and again, but that would a)
require svn rather than cvs and b) require that certain people who
currently have main tree access be moved to branch access only.

A bigger tree is all well and good, but the tree we have right now is
only half maintained...
 



Is there any possibility that easier low quality contribution makes the 
high quality contributions easier?


Look at wikipedia - it's amazing that such high quality work (in 
general) can come from lightly peer review material with low barriers to 
entry.


Clearly not an appropriate model here, but I can't help wondering if 
there is not another way...


I did read the FAQ here and I take your point though:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/docs/mw-faq/maintainer.txt

Thanks for listening

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [Summary] tentative x86 arch team glep

2005-09-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:53:03 +0100 Ed W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Might there be an option 4 which is that a slightly different system 
| might stop everyone bitching over the current one and hence avoid 
| wasting some time?  Nope, no idea what that would be, but the thought 
| does occur when you see some time being wasted on trivial issues...

Hrm. Any change would involve adding more complexity. It would probably
also involve lots of fixup work on existing code. It's likely not worth
the cost.

| Is there any possibility that easier low quality contribution makes
| the high quality contributions easier?

Only to the extent that they get me to write better documentation :)

| Look at wikipedia - it's amazing that such high quality work (in 
| general) can come from lightly peer review material with low barriers
| to entry.
|
| Clearly not an appropriate model here, but I can't help wondering if 
| there is not another way...

Well... Sometimes maintainer-wanted ebuilds are worked upon by multiple
people. It happens, but not very often.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 00:02 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:

snip...
 Indeed, your name is everywhere when it comes down to rox thing. Because
 your dedication on rox subject, I am willing to help you become a dev,
 but I need to be sure you are not going to dissapear in the very next
 moment.
 Gentoo history is full of such individuals who only want to be sure that
 they could become devs but are not willing to put any effort behind it.
 
 Do you want be a dev? Are you sure you could take the heat? What do you
 expect from Gentoo and what do you have to offer in exchange?
 
 Please email me the answers to these questions on my private address. I
 need to know you a bit before I decide if I could mentor you or not.

Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have
already been rejected Ciaran. It's important to realize that the
submissions were intended to AID the developers, not to necessarily be
PERFECT in every way.

I submitted the ebuilds in good faith in the hope they would help myself
and others get the portage tree wrt ROX up to date and correct
breakages. In that my spacing was not liked, or my descriptions were
too long is irrelevant.

The ebuilds are fine, and they work. You are welcome to them. As for
future development, due to possible problems with the rox.eclass, I am
taking rox off-line from gentoo and will maintain it separate from
gentoo.

As for any open bugs, I leave it to maintainer-wanted. Good luck.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Aron Griffis
Alin Nastac wrote:  [Sun Sep 11 2005, 05:02:27PM EDT]
 Gentoo history is full of such individuals who only want to be sure
 that they could become devs but are not willing to put any effort
 behind it.

Gentoo's history is full of hard-working devs.
The slackers are simply forgotten.  ;-)

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Stephen P. Becker

Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have
already been rejected Ciaran. It's important to realize that the
submissions were intended to AID the developers, not to necessarily be
PERFECT in every way.


Of course they have been criticized by Ciaran.  In case you didn't know, 
he does this for *every* maintainer-wanted ebuild.  They are only 
rejected as long as they have problems.  If you fix them, they will be 
accepted if some dev takes responsibility for them, or is recruited to 
maintain them.  It's really that simple  Sounds like a case where you 
can't stand to have anyone review your work.



I submitted the ebuilds in good faith in the hope they would help myself
and others get the portage tree wrt ROX up to date and correct
breakages. In that my spacing was not liked, or my descriptions were
too long is irrelevant.


No, it isn't irrelevant.  We strive to make the portage tree to be of 
high quality.  Why settle for less?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] ROX: maintainer-wanted and apps out of date

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Hyman
On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 20:27 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
  Thank you for the opportunity. Apparently though, my submissions have
  already been rejected Ciaran. It's important to realize that the
  submissions were intended to AID the developers, not to necessarily be
  PERFECT in every way.
 
 Of course they have been criticized by Ciaran.  In case you didn't know, 
 he does this for *every* maintainer-wanted ebuild.  They are only 
 rejected as long as they have problems.  If you fix them, they will be 
 accepted if some dev takes responsibility for them, or is recruited to 
 maintain them.  It's really that simple  Sounds like a case where you 
 can't stand to have anyone review your work.
 
  I submitted the ebuilds in good faith in the hope they would help myself
  and others get the portage tree wrt ROX up to date and correct
  breakages. In that my spacing was not liked, or my descriptions were
  too long is irrelevant.
 
 No, it isn't irrelevant.  We strive to make the portage tree to be of 
 high quality.  Why settle for less?
 
 -Steve

Oh, flame on! When I submitted many of the ebuilds, I had no idea the
rox maintainers were AWOL. I just assumed that they would take heed of
the version bumps, small changes made to existing ebuilds, and update
portage. It was not my intent to replace the maintainers or to re-invent
their efforts. I thought that having a new up-to-date ebuild would save
time for the maintainers.

I did not know that there were none anymore. As I wrote privately to
Ciaran, if I WAS auditioning to become a dev, then sure, I need the
comments. However, I was using:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml as my guide -- the goal
being to alert the devs that new stuff was out and that certain
breakages needed fixing.

If the goal was to keep portage quality high, take heed of user comments
when it comes to updating packages. We all share that goal.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4.0 = 4.1 upgrade

2005-09-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 12 September 2005 02:51, Francesco R wrote:
 Jason Stubbs wrote:
 On Monday 12 September 2005 00:05, Francesco R wrote:
 http://dev.gentoo.org/~vivo/doc/mysql-update.html
 
 With step 2, you should probably mention the issues that can arise with
 non-ASCII data in char fields. The character set really needs to
  specified in the dump. After the upgrade to 4.1, the default charset of
  the server should be set to something compatible and then the charset
  of the data should be specified to mysql when re-importing the backup.

 --default-character-set=charset
 should be that of my.cnf config file, mysqldump don't permit an atomic
 setting of this variable.
 The only option for this kind of users is to atomically dump the tables
 and then concat the results.

 Importing in mysql-4.1 it's ok, provided your default character set is
 utf8.

 Russian, asian whatever person has experience on this please speak now
 to correct what affermed here.

I had a 4.0 database with strings mostly stored in SJIS that I upgraded to 
4.1 a while back. 4.1 then uses the connection characater set to do on 
the fly translation of db encoding to connection encoding. This also 
happens when importing data so if you haven't got the character set of the 
data correct, it'll get corrupted on the way in.

Related to the automatic conversion, some fields in the DB contain raw URLs 
with un-URL-ified parameters that can be in any character set. These fields 
had to be set to BINARY for them to be usable.

Another gotcha related to this is that php's mysql support defaults to 
latin-1 encoding (at least on my current installation) and has no setting 
for it. The only solution there was to execute SET NAMES ujis on every 
connection.

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[gentoo-dev] aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2005-09-11 Thread Daniel Ahlberg
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* if SRC_URI contains hosts specified in thirdpartymirrors.
* if ebuild uses patch instead of epatch.
* if ebuild sets S to ${WORKDIR}/${P}.
* if ebuild redefines P, PV, PN or PF.
* if ebuild doesn't inherit eutils when it uses functions from eutils.
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* if ebuild has deprecated WANT_AUTO(CONF|MAKE)_?_?.
* if ebuild uses is-flag -fPIC, should be changed to has_fpic.
* if ebuild appends $RDEPEND or $DEPEND to $RDEPEND or $DEPEND to $DEPEND.
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