On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
There is currently no explanation as to why this GLEP should be chosen
over ChrisWhite's 42. I will add such a section if anyone requests it.
Any reason why you chose bashing Chris' GLEP in another mail and start
your own instead
Ciaran McCreesh posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:51:25 +:
``Version:``
Initially 1. Incremented every time a non-trivial change is made.
Changes which require a re-read of the news item should instead use a
new news item file.
Very good work!
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 02:00, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Notification that new relevant news items will be displayed via the
``emerge`` tool in a similar way to the existing configuration files
need updating messages:
* Important: 3 config files in /etc need
1.11.2005, 11:00:22, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Aren't those messages displayed after the damage is done ? Typical use :
- emerge --sync run as a daily cron job
- emerge -a mysql
- great, a new version is there. Typing Yes
- system gets borken
- emerge spits out message saying 14 files need
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 08:46, Brian Harring wrote:
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 08:36:23AM +0900, Chris White wrote:
Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread.
emerge --news support
-
As already mentioned by Stuart, in this way users are bound
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:25:34 +0100 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| There is currently no explanation as to why this GLEP should be
| chosen over ChrisWhite's 42. I will add such a section if anyone
| requests it.
| Any
maillog: 01/11/2005-11:45:08(+0100): Jakub Moc types
1.11.2005, 11:00:22, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Aren't those messages displayed after the damage is done ? Typical use :
- emerge --sync run as a daily cron job
- emerge -a mysql
- great, a new version is there. Typing Yes
- system
Two things.
One, if users run --sync in a cronjob, which many do, this preemptive
goes out the window.
Two, an alternative to that, if we are all recoding portage anyways :)
Have portage place a special note next to any items with relevent
news when -a or -p is passed, and then, emerge --news
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:16:03 +0100 Thierry Carrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| For them to know about it, they need to be warned when they do their
| emerge -p world or emerge -a mysql that the upgrade is not as easy
| as it seems. People using a cron job to sync are probably a
| significant part of
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:39:24 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Uhm... emerge sync is a *bad* time to display upgrade messages, it's
| simply irrelevant at that time, I'm not upgrading anything at the
| moment and might not be upgrading for next week or so.
It doesn't display the messages.
1.11.2005, 13:26:57, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:16:03 +0100 Thierry Carrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| For them to know about it, they need to be warned when they do their
| emerge -p world or emerge -a mysql that the upgrade is not as easy
| as it seems. People using a
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:39:24 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Uhm... emerge sync is a *bad* time to display upgrade messages, it's
| simply irrelevant at that time, I'm not upgrading anything at the
| moment and might not be upgrading for next week or so.
It
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:34:25 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Personally, I'm for both. E-mailing cron output is a relatively
| simple operation. Adding a red flashy deal to emerge saying hey,
| package X has an unread news item, also simple as long as the
| read/unread format is
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:51:25 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The attached GLEP is a draft proposal for the emerge --news thing that's
been under discussion. There are still some TODO items. These are calls
for people to weigh in with suggestions. Of course, suggestions on other
1.11.2005, 13:48:06, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| The messages should be displayed when I'm about to upgrade an ebuild
| which has an upgrade note associated with the new version. Sending
| mail via cron might be a nice optional feature for those who want to
| use it.
Not really a good idea,
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 13:39, Jakub Moc wrote:
Uhm... emerge sync is a *bad* time to display upgrade messages, it's
simply irrelevant at that time, I'm not upgrading anything at the
moment and might not be upgrading for next week or so.
If you are not upgrading anything the news is not
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 02:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The attached GLEP is a draft proposal for the emerge --news thing
that's been under discussion. There are still some TODO items. These
are calls for people to weigh in with suggestions. Of course,
suggestions on other items are good
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:54:51PM +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:51:25 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The attached GLEP is a draft proposal for the emerge --news thing that's
been under discussion. There are still some TODO items. These are calls
for
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
reason visit the
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 12:26 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:16:03 +0100 Thierry Carrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| For them to know about it, they need to be warned when they do their
| emerge -p world or emerge -a mysql that the upgrade is not as easy
| as it seems.
1.11.2005, 18:04:08, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Monday 31 October 2005 22:44, Petteri Räty wrote:
Checked the bugzilla and the two open bugs seem to be version bumps. I
think the policy is not to remove working ebuilds from the tree although
they are not maintained by anyone.
It's not policy
On Monday 31 October 2005 22:44, Petteri Räty wrote:
Checked the bugzilla and the two open bugs seem to be version bumps. I
think the policy is not to remove working ebuilds from the tree although
they are not maintained by anyone.
I follow Petteri's statement, I don't think we should remove a
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 18:11, Jakub Moc wrote:
OK, lets remove perl.
Such a reply is not an argument, but pointless. As you know as well, Perl is
not exactly something other packages do not depend on.
Carsten
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:29 +0100 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| What's wrong with XML format similar to the one that is used for our
| GLSAs?
1. Portage does not handle XML. Portage will not handle XML in the
near future.
2. Many users do not have an XML parser installed.
3. The
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:16:27 +0100 Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| I have one suggestion on an added header. I think that an Overrides:
| header should be added. This is for those messages that make a
| previous message obsolete. Say for example that an upgrade guide to
| modular X was
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 18:43, Jon Portnoy wrote:
You are technically correct in the sense that there is literally no
policy stating keep unmaintained stuff in the repository.
All I wanted to say is that we have no policy about it and a fair share of
rotten ebuilds in the repository
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:43:16 -0500 Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| However, going around removing things simply because they're
| unmaintained is no good. Unmaintained and broken is a different story.
How about unmaintained and in need of version bumps that no-one is
going to do?
--
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:18:55 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Before this, make pre-install and post-install emerge messages more
| usable, instead of having them lost among thousands of gibberish text
| in batch emerges.
Separate issue. That one's the whole elog thing.
Yes,
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
reason visit the
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 16:33 -0400, Daniel Gryniewicz wrote:
Hi, all.
app-admin/gwcc has security issues, and has been unmaintained upstream
for 3 years. The Gnome herd is no longer interested in maintaining it.
I've masked it, and will remove it in a couple of weeks, if no one steps
Andrej Kacian wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:18:55 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Before this, make pre-install and post-install emerge messages more
| usable, instead of having them lost among thousands of gibberish text
| in batch emerges.
Separate issue. That one's the
Andrej Kacian wrote: [Tue Nov 01 2005, 01:20:54PM CST]
Separate issue. That one's the whole elog thing.
Yes, it is a separate issue, but it's an issue that's been around for far too
long, and seems to be ignored, despite the apparent importance of emerge
messages for users.
That seems a
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 19:49, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
How about unmaintained and in need of version bumps that no-one is
going to do?
Depends on the need. Debian is able to cope with old versions of software
without problems.
If there are no outstanding bugs about the package, a need of a
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 19:32 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 08:56 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 19:32, Stuart Herbert wrote:
1) Why post to forums.g.o if its on www, why would one check forums
instead of www.
Redundancy - to get the attention of those folks that for whatever
The users I've spoken to about our news situation have expressly stated
that one
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:44:17 -0600
Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That seems a bit unfair to me. There's a complete logging facility in
portage CVS for a version that's probably not going to be released, but
I believe that the logging stuff is being back-ported to the current
version
On Tuesday 01 of November 2005 19:25 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:29 +0100 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| What's wrong with XML format similar to the one that is used for our
| GLSAs?
1. Portage does not handle XML. Portage will not handle XML in the
near future.
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:57:13 +0100 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Tuesday 01 of November 2005 19:25 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:29 +0100 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| | What's wrong with XML format similar to the one that is used for
| | our GLSAs?
|
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 10:16:35PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:57:13 +0100 Jan Kundr??t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Tuesday 01 of November 2005 19:25 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:29 +0100 Jan Kundr??t [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| wrote:
| | What's
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