Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Gregorio Guidi
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 03:40, Mark Loeser wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: that means when people upgrade to gcc-3.4, gcc-3.3 will remain on their system until they remove it so if user fails to rebuild all their packages before unmerging gcc-3.3 they will be screwed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 03:40, Mark Loeser wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: that means when people upgrade to gcc-3.4, gcc-3.3 will remain on their system until they remove it so if user fails to rebuild all their packages before unmerging gcc-3.3 they will be screwed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 09:51, Gregorio Guidi wrote: Every user _must_ be instructed to run 'revdep-rebuild --soname libstdc++.so.5', if a system contains things linking to libstdc++.so.5 and things linking to libstdc++.so.6 I consider it horribly broken. A system is only horribly broken

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Graham Murray
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is also needed for third party apps that were linked against libstdc++.so.5. As long as those applications do not depend on other libraries that are linked against a newer c++ lib things are totally ok. But unfortunately is does happen. For

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 10:53, Graham Murray wrote: Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is also needed for third party apps that were linked against libstdc++.so.5. As long as those applications do not depend on other libraries that are linked against a newer c++ lib things are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:22:33AM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: This is basically a heads-up email to everyone to say that we are probably going to be moving gcc-3.4.4-r1 to stable on x86 very soon. If any of the archs that have already done the move from having 3.3 stable to 3.4 could give us a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:18, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: gcc-3.4 during `emerge -e world`) will fail to load because of Why should one do that? It's not needed. But of course recompiling the kernel and external modules at some point makes sense. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Mark Loeser
Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We will also need to instruct users to recompile their kernel with gcc-3.4 otherwise the external modules (which will be recompiled with gcc-3.4 during `emerge -e world`) will fail to load because of vermagic mismatch. This assumes that they do an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Curtis Napier
Speaking as a user who upgraded from 3.3.x to 3.4.x a loong lng time ago and also as a forum mod who sees questins about this on a daily basis: Users are more or less aware that they will have to rebuild the entire world including the kernel when they upgrade gcc. If they aren't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread William Kenworthy
As a user who has done this on a number of systems - its no sweat. Also, check some of the older guides for upgrading from gcc-2.95 to 3, and 3.0 to 3.1 - should still be around somewhere. Its been done before, more than once - ask some of the older devs whove been around since the early

[gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Hi all, little question (that could start up a flame): what's the official status of /usr/libexec directory? I was told on IRC time ago to prefer /usr/$(get_libdir)/misc to libexec because that's already ABI-specified... but I'm not really sure. /usr/libexec is already used by many upstream

[gentoo-dev] Re: Misquoted in the GWN

2005-11-29 Thread Duncan
Henrik Brix Andersen posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:48:01 +0100: So I fired up a web browser and there it was - first section in the GWN [1]. Seems the GWN authors have read my blog entry [2] and decided to bring their own version of it to the public. *

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:51 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote: On Tuesday 29 November 2005 03:40, Mark Loeser wrote: Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: that means when people upgrade to gcc-3.4, gcc-3.3 will remain on their system until they remove it so if user fails to rebuild all

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:23:54PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: what's the official status of /usr/libexec directory? there is none afaik ... it's something we've been leaving alone for the time being because it hasnt been that critical of an issue personally, i'd prefer if we moved

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 28 November 2005 14:22, Mark Loeser wrote: This is basically a heads-up email to everyone to say that we are probably going to be moving gcc-3.4.4-r1 to stable on x86 very soon.  If any of the archs that have already done the move from having 3.3 stable to 3.4 could give us a heads

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:50:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:51 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote: Every user _must_ be instructed to run 'revdep-rebuild --soname libstdc++.so.5', if a system contains things linking to libstdc++.so.5 and things linking to

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2005-29-11 at 14:53 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:23:54PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: what's the official status of /usr/libexec directory? personally, i'd prefer if we moved all of /usr/libexec to /usr/lib/misc Why move the libexec content to

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:18:05AM -0500, Olivier Cr?te wrote: On Tue, 2005-29-11 at 14:53 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:23:54PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: what's the official status of /usr/libexec directory? personally, i'd prefer if we moved all

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:27:10 + Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know they are executables, that's why we're talking about a specific subdir of lib libexec clutters /usr while /usr/lib/misc hides it nicely ... afterall, this are internal binaries that end user should never run

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:01 +, Mike Williams wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 14:22, Mark Loeser wrote: This is basically a heads-up email to everyone to say that we are probably going to be moving gcc-3.4.4-r1 to stable on x86 very soon. If any of the archs that have already done the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:03 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:50:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:51 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote: Every user _must_ be instructed to run 'revdep-rebuild --soname libstdc++.so.5', if a system contains

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2005-29-11 at 15:27 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:18:05AM -0500, Olivier Cr?te wrote: On Tue, 2005-29-11 at 14:53 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:23:54PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: what's the official status of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 08:21:51AM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: This assumes that they do an `emerge -e world'. Well, the same problem will arise should they upgrade their gcc and install a new external kernel module (with or without `emerge -e world`). Regards, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 10:42 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:03 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:50:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:51 +0100, Gregorio Guidi wrote: Every user _must_ be instructed to run

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:52:11AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: broken /usr/lib32/openoffice/program/gconfbe1.uno.so (requires libORBit-2.so.0 libgconf-2.so.4) binary packages should never be in /usr/ Is /opt ignored? yes, because our policy specifically says binary packages in /opt

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 04:41:20PM +0100, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:27:10 + Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know they are executables, that's why we're talking about a specific subdir of lib libexec clutters /usr while /usr/lib/misc hides

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:48:10AM -0500, Olivier Cr?te wrote: On Tue, 2005-29-11 at 15:27 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:18:05AM -0500, Olivier Cr?te wrote: On Tue, 2005-29-11 at 14:53 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 03:23:54PM +0100, Diego

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Tres Melton
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 08:50 -0500, Curtis Napier wrote: Doing it from the outset will save the forums and bugs a lot of stress and heartache that could have been easily avoided. Don't forget the #gentoo channel. I meant to comment on this about the stage 1/2 thing but never did. I'm not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Andreas Proschofsky
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 16:04 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:52:11AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: broken /usr/lib32/openoffice/program/gconfbe1.uno.so (requires libORBit-2.so.0 libgconf-2.so.4) binary packages should never be in /usr/ Is /opt ignored? yes,

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:23:54 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | little question (that could start up a flame): what's the official | status of /usr/libexec directory? libexec for stuff that's run is far tidier than weird subdirectories in /usr/lib*. Those old people with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 18:37 +0100, Andreas Proschofsky wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 16:04 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:52:11AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: broken /usr/lib32/openoffice/program/gconfbe1.uno.so (requires libORBit-2.so.0 libgconf-2.so.4)

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:16 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This would not resolve bug #95140, but would keep users from hitting it by default. With apache being such a popular package, having it fail from a default stage3

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Alexandre Buisse (Nattfodd)

2005-11-29 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 23:39:17 +0100, Michael Cummings wrote: Tom Martin[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... and he participated in the Google Summer of Code in writing a generational garbage collector, GMC, for the Perl 6 VM (http://www.parrotcode.org). Sweet! Does this mean he can

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:19 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 09:16 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This would not resolve bug #95140, but would keep users from hitting it by default. With apache being such a

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-29 Thread Michael Stewart (vericgar)
Chris Gianelloni wrote: I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This would not resolve bug #95140, but would keep users from hitting it by default. With apache being such a popular package, having it fail from a default stage3 installation reflects poorly on us all. If I

Re: [gentoo-dev] apache2 default for 2006.0

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 16:34 -0800, Michael Stewart (vericgar) wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: I'd like to add the apache2 USE flag to 2006.0's profile. This would not resolve bug #95140, but would keep users from hitting it by default. With apache being such a popular package, having it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Andrew Muraco
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:01 +, Mike Williams wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 14:22, Mark Loeser wrote: This is basically a heads-up email to everyone to say that we are probably going to be moving gcc-3.4.4-r1 to stable on x86 very soon. If any of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Addition of DVB_CARDS to USE_EXPAND

2005-11-29 Thread Matthias Schwarzott
On Monday 28 November 2005 22:37, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 21:53 +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: Hi! If nobody objects I will add DVB_CARDS to USE_EXAPAND on next saturday (2005/12/03). This will be used to decide which firmware-file to download and install