[gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Patrick Lauer
Hi all, I was wondering if there are any sane ways to optimize the performance of a Gentoo system. Overoptimization (the well known -O9 -fomgomg CFLAGS etc.) tends to make things unstable, which is of course not what we want. The easy way out would be buying faster hardware, but that is usually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Francesco Riosa
Patrick Lauer wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if there are any sane ways to optimize the performance of a Gentoo system. Overoptimization (the well known -O9 -fomgomg CFLAGS etc.) tends to make things unstable, which is of course not what we want. The easy way out would be buying faster

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 15 December 2005 14:43, Francesco Riosa wrote: Some upstreams, mostly media related but also unsuspectable like MySQL, use and test their apps with high optimizations. Not exactly true.. many media related upstreams forces ricing flags (-fomg-so-fast) on packages, but that does not

[gentoo-dev] Re: Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Duncan
Patrick Lauer posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:48:05 +0100: I was wondering if there are any sane ways to optimize the performance of a Gentoo system. This really belongs on user, or perhaps on the appropriate purposed list, desktop or hardened or whatever,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Creating a Sketeton System

2005-12-15 Thread George Prowse
No, only the config files that are in a stage 3 should be left, some of those will be edited and some will have been upgraded so they should be left. It would be like emerge --unmerge --shallow world to take you back the that original state so then any major changes could be made without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Lauer wrote: | On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 07:43 -0700, Duncan wrote: |This really belongs on user, or perhaps on the appropriate purposed list, |desktop or hardened or whatever, not on devel. That said, some |comments... (I can't resist. g) | |

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 13:48 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote: I was wondering if there are any sane ways to optimize the performance of a Gentoo system. for package in $system_packages; do profile_application $package eliminate_bottlenecks $package submit_patch_upstream

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 14:43 +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote: having more than one disk or a lot of memory add very interesting addition, read raid 0 (stripe) or tmpfs for working data that does'nt need a backup fex: $PORTIR, /var/tmp ... tmpfs has miserable performance when larger than RAM iirc -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 15 December 2005 16:43, Patrick Lauer wrote: [talking about -Os if I'm right] I've seen some reproducable breakage, e.g. KDE doesn't like it at all Actually, I'm running KDE with -Os right now... -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Matthijs van der Vleuten
On 12/15/05, Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any application-specific tweaks (e.g. use the prefork MPM with apache2)? [...] is'n there ab [1] for apache testing ? Yes, but that's apache specific and is quite hard to use correctly. Isn't that what you asked? --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Francesco Riosa
Patrick Lauer wrote: -user has the risk of many use teh -fomglol flag, it si teh fast0r ;-) hardened doesn't have much to do with performance (although I'd be interested what impact - if any - the different security features have!) fresh of typing (but worked on for few months)

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Duncan
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:03:59 +0100: On Thursday 15 December 2005 16:43, Patrick Lauer wrote: [talking about -Os if I'm right] I've seen some reproducable breakage, e.g. KDE doesn't like it at all Actually, I'm running KDE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:13:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: CFQ is much worse for a desktop system. I tend to like deadline for playing games. These can probably make a bit more difference than a new -fomg-itsofast-and-broken-math added to CFLAGS. That's funny, i switched from default

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread John Myers
On Thursday 15 December 2005 04:48, Patrick Lauer wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if there are any sane ways to optimize the performance of a Gentoo system. Overoptimization (the well known -O9 -fomgomg CFLAGS etc.) tends to make things unstable, which is of course not what we want. The easy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Optimizing performance

2005-12-15 Thread Curtis Napier
Wernfried Haas wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 09:13:34AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: There was a tip in the GWN about turning on dir_index on an already formatted file system. If formatting a new one, just use mkfs.ext2 -J -O dir_index /dev/$whatever to create your file system. Good

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings

2005-12-15 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 08:20:36PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Possible proposal: the current council meeting rules be updated with one of the following two clauses: A proxy must not be an existing council member, and any single person may not be a proxy for more than one person at any

[gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Andrew Muraco
As i sit reading the current list of list emails about GLEP 42 I see that the topic of Multiple Repos coming up over and over again. I wanted to ask to see where that support is, and based on what feedback help move along so that a standard can be produced. So, now with a few short questions:

[gentoo-dev] December 15th Meeting Summary

2005-12-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
/meeting-logs/20051215.txt -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:05 -0500 Andrew Muraco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 2. What choices/options are on the table for this feature? The big controversy seems to be over whether repositories carry a unique identifier string (for example, in metadata/repository_id) or whether it's user-assigned.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Curtis Napier
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:05 -0500 Andrew Muraco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 2. What choices/options are on the table for this feature? The big controversy seems to be over whether repositories carry a unique identifier string (for example, in metadata/repository_id) or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Andrew Muraco
Curtis Napier wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:05 -0500 Andrew Muraco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 2. What choices/options are on the table for this feature? The big controversy seems to be over whether repositories carry a unique identifier string (for example, in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:05 -0500 Andrew Muraco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 2. What choices/options are on the table for this feature? The big controversy seems to be over whether repositories carry a unique identifier

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:36:54 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | emerge blar --repo=ciaranmssekritrepo | | This accomplishes the same thing, except I get to name the repo | whatever I wish, and you lose the ability to specify repositories in | DEPEND. ...and it stops you from being able

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-15 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:36:54 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | emerge blar --repo=ciaranmssekritrepo | | This accomplishes the same thing, except I get to name the repo | whatever I wish, and you lose the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Latest version vs specific version

2005-12-15 Thread Andrea Carpani
Il giorno sab, 03-12-2005 alle 21:23 +0900, Jason Stubbs ha scritto: Not really necessary. He has an ebuild that says =kde-3.4.0* =xorg-x11-6.7* which pulls in kde first which then pulls in xorg-x11 which portage resolves to xorg-x11-6.8 after which portage processes xorg-x11-6.7* to

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] PATCH: parallel-fetch

2005-12-15 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 07:41:22PM -0600, Brian Harring wrote: snip comments on parent emerge not killing child emerge Either way, here's the issue, atexit registers work fine across forks, portage.portagexit is registered prior to portage_exec.cleanup, so the main portage pid sits there and

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] chunking up portage

2005-12-15 Thread Marius Mauch
Brian Harring wrote: So... thoughts? I'm not much for making portage depend on tarsync just for emerge-webrsync improvements, would rather chunk the bugger out. How about runtime detection? Marius -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] ACCEPT_KEYWORDS depreciation

2005-12-15 Thread Marius Mauch
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Thursday 15 December 2005 13:05, Marius Mauch wrote: package.keywords isn't better or worse than ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, it's just different in its behavior. I disagree. ACCEPT_KEYWORDS is problematic for (new) users, because of its behaviour. problematic != worse

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] ACCEPT_KEYWORDS depreciation

2005-12-15 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:35:07 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I've been trying to sit in #gentoo more often ( I figured insanity | would be a good excuse for my crummy grades ) and I am scared by the | fact that people still walk in and try using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~blar | to emerge

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] ACCEPT_KEYWORDS depreciation

2005-12-15 Thread Alec Joseph Warner
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:35:07 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I've been trying to sit in #gentoo more often ( I figured insanity | would be a good excuse for my crummy grades ) and I am scared by the | fact that people still walk in

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS depreciation

2005-12-15 Thread Marcelo Resegue
On a related matter, maybe it would be a good idea to change the text in make.conf about ACCEPT_KEYWORDS. # Advanced Masking # # # Gentoo is using a new masking system to allow for easier stability testing # on packages. KEYWORDS are used in ebuilds to mask and unmask packages

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] ACCEPT_KEYWORDS depreciation

2005-12-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 15 December 2005 14:13, Alec Joseph Warner wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:35:07 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I've been trying to sit in #gentoo more often ( I figured insanity | would be a good excuse for my crummy