[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Duncan
Carsten Lohrke posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:30:27 +0100: On Thursday 05 January 2006 16:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Yeah ok, let me end up these holidays, and I'll prepare a written request to change the Linux part in something else You should

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Duncan
Chris Bainbridge posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:00:59 +: The problems being: 1) Manpower. There are already 10,000 open bugs in bugzilla (and growing) without adding more. 2) Lack of interest. Most developers aren't interested in supporting old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:37:45AM -0700, Duncan wrote: What word to use in place of distribution, when one wants to include the BSDs and other non-distributions as well, other than Linux/BSD[/*ix]][/OSX], or simply *ix... *IS* there such a term? Well we could say meta operating system if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Friday 06 January 2006 09:37, Duncan wrote: Well, for that matter, distribution is considered at least by my *BSD friends, to be a peculiarly Linux term.  From their perspective, Linux has 1001 distributions, but they only have the one *BSD they choose to use. That's what we started

[gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid should be demoted to ~mips

2006-01-06 Thread Alin Nastac
Given the lack of interest manifested by mips team regarding net-proxy/squid and its security bumps, I propose to remove the last mips-stable version of this package - 2.5.10-r2 - marked as such by hardave on September the 4th 2005. Objections anyone? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 02:36 -0700, Duncan wrote: OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with what makes Gentoo great at what it does today, that such efforts should be separate from Gentoo itself.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Duncan
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:23:52 +0100: On Friday 06 January 2006 09:37, Duncan wrote: Well, for that matter, distribution is considered at least by my *BSD friends, to be a peculiarly Linux term.  From their perspective, Linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Friday 06 January 2006 16:15, Duncan wrote: And I definitely wish you well in your G/FBSD efforts, but when I mentioned them on my local ISP's unix (*ix) group, the FBSD groupies reaction was Yuck! Same for FreeBSD devs that tries to hinder us. But why? They think to be the keeper of The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Albertson
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 02:36 -0700, Duncan wrote: OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with what makes Gentoo great at what it does today, that such efforts should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Grobian
You better bring this up on the gentoo-alt mailing list. Please consider posting it there instead of going in a private discussion. On 06-01-2006 08:15:42 -0700, Duncan wrote: And I definitely wish you well in your G/FBSD efforts, but when I mentioned them on my local ISP's unix (*ix) group,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 08:15:42AM -0700, Duncan wrote: Tell me, from someone who obviously has some FBSD experience, what advantages does Gentoo/FreeBSD have over the normal FreeBSD? Why would someone use it who is currently using regular FreeBSD, and why are you spending the time? There

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Removed --ask message, apparently it's superfluous. Why? I haven't found any conclusion about that in the last thread. It doesn't make sense to show the message in both `emerge -p foo` and `emerge foo`, but not in `emerge -a foo`, IMHO. WKR, -jkt -- cd /local/pub

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 06 January 2006 16:27, Lance Albertson wrote: As seen from the discussion earlier this week, I don't think Gentoo has the proper open-mindness to create a proper enterprise distro. This has nothing to with open-mindness, but having enough people doing the general maintenance of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Grant Goodyear
Lance Albertson wrote: [Fri Jan 06 2006, 09:27:23AM CST] As seen from the discussion earlier this week, I don't think Gentoo has the proper open-mindness to create a proper enterprise distro. There are too many things that would get in the way of Gentoo proper to make it work right. I agree

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-06 Thread Duncan
Jan Kundrát posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:10:52 +0100: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Removed --ask message, apparently it's superfluous. Why? I haven't found any conclusion about that in the last thread. It doesn't make sense to show the message in both

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Duncan wrote: My thinking too, until I saw the portage dev (JStubbs?) mention it wasn't needed. I believe the thinking is that emerge --ask is basically emerge --pretend with an opportunity to continue stuck on the end, thus eliminating running the same command only without the --pretend

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Duncan
Grobian posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:33:46 +0100: [reply to my question on the purpose of G/FBSD] You better bring this up on the gentoo-alt mailing list. Please consider posting it there instead of going in a private discussion. You sure you want my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Grant Goodyear
Duncan wrote: [Fri Jan 06 2006, 09:15:42AM CST] Tell me, from someone who obviously has some FBSD experience, what advantages does Gentoo/FreeBSD have over the normal FreeBSD? Why would someone use it who is currently using regular FreeBSD, and why are you spending the time? There are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Grant Goodyear
Grant Goodyear wrote: [Fri Jan 06 2006, 10:46:55AM CST] Addressing your point about Enterprise Gentoo, I think you're probably right about it needing focus, direction, and a leader, but that's quite different from needing Gentoo as a whole to have any of those. The Gentoo *BSD work is a good

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:27:23AM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 02:36 -0700, Duncan wrote: OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with what makes

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:05:49AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:00 +, Chris Bainbridge wrote: On 06/01/06, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably better to iron out what y'all actually need and what the dev community is willing to put up with.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lance Albertson wrote: | As seen from the discussion earlier this week, I don't think Gentoo has | the proper open-mindness to create a proper enterprise distro. There are | too many things that would get in the way of Gentoo proper to make it | work

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-06 Thread Marius Mauch
Lance Albertson wrote: I never meant that each subproject can't have their own goals. They need to have those of course! I was more directed that there isn't a person in charge of all the subprojects just to keep track of them (Not governing them). i.e. if subproject foo is working on adding

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:27 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 02:36 -0700, Duncan wrote: OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with what makes Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 17:19 +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Friday 06 January 2006 16:27, Lance Albertson wrote: As seen from the discussion earlier this week, I don't think Gentoo has the proper open-mindness to create a proper enterprise distro. This has nothing to with open-mindness,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Enterprise Future - Summary Attempt #2

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Albertson
Matthew Marlowe wrote: 1) enterprise devs form their own mailing list and/or herd and spend the next several weeks attempting to come up with a consensus on a GLEP that might realistically address their needs. There is no need for the details to be worked out on the -dev ml. Once a

[gentoo-dev] GLEP 20 /srv - Services Home Directory Support

2006-01-06 Thread Luca Barbato
I'm thinking about adding the srvdir[1] global useflag. Scream if I miss some discussion preventing it. (fenice[2] will use it, that's why I'm adding it) lu [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0020.html#implementation [2] http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=fenice -- Luca

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Olivier Crete
On Fri, 2006-06-01 at 09:39 -0800, Brian Harring wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:05:49AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:00 +, Chris Bainbridge wrote: On 06/01/06, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Manpower. There are already 10,000 open bugs in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone still maintaining dev-libs/dietlibc ?

2006-01-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 06 January 2006 16:13, Christian Heim wrote: devs who contributed/touched the ebuilds: - Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] i regret ever touching this package ... and i'm pretty sure Ned feels the same way ... i'm 100% uClibc now ;) If no one complains,

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid should be demoted to ~mips

2006-01-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 06 January 2006 08:07, Alin Nastac wrote: Given the lack of interest manifested by mips team regarding net-proxy/squid and its security bumps, I propose to remove the last mips-stable version of this package - 2.5.10-r2 - marked as such by hardave on September the 4th 2005.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Need help fixing executable stack

2006-01-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:30, Thomas Cort wrote: When emerging wxGTK-2.4.2-r4 on alpha I get a QA message about executable stacks ( http://bugs.gentoo.org/113119#c10 ). I read the GNU Stack Quickstart ( http://gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/gnu-stack.xml ). well you didnt read far enough down

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Albertson
Duncan wrote: Chris Gianelloni posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:30:28 -0500: Perhaps a good explanation of the binpkg format would be in order to give us a chance to determine what could/should be changed? As I regularly use the binpkg features on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Split ebuilds for GCC

2006-01-06 Thread Aron Griffis
Duncan wrote: [Wed Jan 04 2006, 02:49:39PM EST] Forget formal logic, it still begs the question, in that it begs that the question be asked. No, the reason you used the expression begs the question is because it sounds familiar to you. Otherwise you would have said something like brings up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Split ebuilds for GCC

2006-01-06 Thread Tomasz Mloduchowski
Aron Griffis wrote: Duncan wrote: [Wed Jan 04 2006, 02:49:39PM EST] Forget formal logic, it still begs the question, in that it begs that the question be asked. No, the reason you used the expression begs the question is because it sounds familiar to you. Otherwise you would have said

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone still maintaining dev-libs/dietlibc ?

2006-01-06 Thread Michael Hanselmann
Hello Christian On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:13:39PM +0100, Christian Heim wrote: devs who contributed/touched the ebuilds: - Michael Hanselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] If no one complains, I'll take this package. I don't mind if you do that. Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux Developer using

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid should be demoted to ~mips

2006-01-06 Thread Alin Nastac
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 06 January 2006 08:07, Alin Nastac wrote: Given the lack of interest manifested by mips team regarding net-proxy/squid and its security bumps, I propose to remove the last mips-stable version of this package - 2.5.10-r2 - marked as such by hardave on September

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone still maintaining dev-libs/dietlibc ?

2006-01-06 Thread Daniel
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:19 am, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 06 January 2006 16:13, Christian Heim wrote: devs who contributed/touched the ebuilds: - Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] i regret ever touching this package ... and i'm pretty sure Ned feels the