[gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
Hi List I'm in two minds about something so I'm asking for input :) baselayout lets all hotplug events through and gives no control over this, whereas we can limit coldplug events via the RC_COLDPLUG variable. RC_COLDPLUG is currently just a pattern list, but used to be a simple yes|no I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:13:58AM +0100, Roy Marples wrote: RC_HOTPLUG=yes|no RC_COLDPLUG=yes|no RC_PLUG_SERVICES=net.wlan !net.* I like this idea much better than the current implementation in baselayout-1.12_pre19-r1. I find it unintuitive that I can currently limit coldplug events but not

[gentoo-dev] bash has libs in /usr/lib

2006-05-03 Thread Philippe Trottier
We got some old school install done in a server around town, the libgpm was located in /usr/lib while /usr was only mounted later. This is a bug... Nothing should have a soft link to /usr/* from /bin or /lib*. Anyway it was an easy fix. Could people around check, and if they find anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Roy Marples wrote: RC_HOTPLUG=yes|no RC_COLDPLUG=yes|no RC_PLUG_SERVICES=net.wlan !net.* or RC_HOTPLUG=yes|no|net.wlan !net.* RC_COLDPLUG=yes|no|net.wlan !net.* I'm afraid I don't get the exact difference :P, but what about honoring both yes|no and list of services. Anyway, what we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-05-03 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 30 April 2006 03:55, Lance Albertson wrote: Here's an idea I had tonight. Since we're going to be doing the Google SoC this summer, perhaps a great project would be having someone work on this migration (or at least do an unbiased test implementation). I'd be willing to provide an

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:37, Jakub Moc wrote: Roy Marples wrote: RC_HOTPLUG=yes|no RC_COLDPLUG=yes|no RC_PLUG_SERVICES=net.wlan !net.* or RC_HOTPLUG=yes|no|net.wlan !net.* RC_COLDPLUG=yes|no|net.wlan !net.* I'm afraid I don't get the exact difference :P, but what about

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:33, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:13:58AM +0100, Roy Marples wrote: RC_HOTPLUG=yes|no RC_COLDPLUG=yes|no RC_PLUG_SERVICES=net.wlan !net.* I like this idea much better than the current implementation in baselayout-1.12_pre19-r1. I

[gentoo-dev] Re: coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Duncan
Roy Marples posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 03 May 2006 10:13:58 +0100: baselayout lets all hotplug events through and gives no control over this, whereas we can limit coldplug events via the RC_COLDPLUG variable. RC_COLDPLUG is currently just a pattern list, but used to

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 11:57, Roy Marples wrote: Attached is a patch to pre19-r1 that does this. Of course, everyone spotted the obvious mistake where RC_HOTPLUG=no didn't work with that patch. This should - heh. -- Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout,

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Roy Marples wrote: Anyway, what we really need is ability to turn off that coldplug thing *completely* on *udev* level and restore some sanity. I really don't need to have my TV card coldplugged at the point when /dev is being populated by devices (e.g., Bug 130766 or Bug 128962). Not

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Mike Auty
I'd prefer, The first option (two yes/nos and a list) since it seems cleaner and more obvious. The only issue that I could see is where someone might want a service started by hotplug rather than coldplug or vice-versa. I honestly don't know anywhere near enough about the difference (up

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Marius Mauch
Jakub Moc schrieb: Well, it should not be loaded first of all... Hence why I want to have an ability to turn off the coldplug thing *completely* on udev level. I don't have any use for such automagic stuff, it just complicates things instead of making them easier. Well said. Marius --

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 12:26, Jakub Moc wrote: Well, it should not be loaded first of all... Hence why I want to have an ability to turn off the coldplug thing *completely* on udev level. So maybe I should be clear in conf.d/rc that the RC_{COLD,HOT}PLUG stuff only affects services started

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Jakub Moc
Roy Marples wrote: iptables already has before net, doesn't exactly help. Well, I don't need net on boot level first of all and I didn't set it to be launched at that runlevel. The runlevel setting gets ignored, however. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand then :) If coldplug adds net services

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip)

2006-05-03 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 11:43 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 03:55, Lance Albertson wrote: Here's an idea I had tonight. Since we're going to be doing the Google SoC this summer, perhaps a great project would be having someone work on this migration (or at least do an

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 13:35, Jakub Moc wrote: I do understand, however ignoring runlevels settings is in itself a coldplug bug. :) So don't use coldplug then! RC_COLDPLUG=no unless you're on pre19-r1 where it's !* -- Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout,

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Mike Auty
Roy, I think the complaint is the automatic loading of modules by udev. Seemingly in the udev Changelog this is referred to as add udevtrigger to request events for coldplug, whereas it seems you're using coldplug to refer to the automatic starting of services. Is there another name for

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:03, Mike Auty wrote: Roy, I think the complaint is the automatic loading of modules by udev. Seemingly in the udev Changelog this is referred to as add udevtrigger to request events for coldplug, whereas it seems you're using coldplug to refer to the

[gentoo-dev] New Developer Mike Auty (ikelos)

2006-05-03 Thread John Mylchreest
Hi All, Its with great pleasure that I announce a new vict^W^W^W^Wdeveloper to the ranks, Mike Auty. I'm sure you'll all make him feel very welcome :) Mike's been around helping many of us for a long time now, most recently with the excellent work he's been doing on vmware. Mike has this to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wishlist: an automated package upgrade system with fine-tunable sysadmin control

2006-05-03 Thread Radoslaw Stachowiak
On 4/27/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I explore this idea with any further discussion, I'll be sure to follow the suggestions here about another list and reading past messages on that list. Feel free to look at http://dev.gentoo.org/~radek/portki/ Short feature lists: * designed to

Re: [gentoo-dev] coldplug and hotplug

2006-05-03 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:22:39PM +0100, Roy Marples wrote: On Wednesday 03 May 2006 12:26, Jakub Moc wrote: Well, it should not be loaded first of all... Hence why I want to have an ability to turn off the coldplug thing *completely* on udev level. So maybe I should be clear in conf.d/rc

Re: [gentoo-dev] bash has libs in /usr/lib

2006-05-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Philippe Trottier wrote: We got some old school install done in a server around town, the libgpm was located in /usr/lib while /usr was only mounted later. This is a bug... Nothing should have a soft link to /usr/* from /bin or /lib*. Anyway it was an easy fix. Could people around check,

[gentoo-dev] staffing needs expirations?

2006-05-03 Thread Grant Goodyear
I just had somebody ask me about whether or not we still needed LDAP help. It's a good question, and I didn't know the answer, which is rather embarrassing since I'm the one who filed the LDAP staffing request. Since then I believe that lcars had taken LDAP over, or is otherwise assisting

Re: [gentoo-dev] staffing needs expirations?

2006-05-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Grant Goodyear wrote: PS. Does anybody know if we do still need people to help w/ LDAP? Depends if you consider rewriting a LDAP howto as a help with LDAP [1] :). Actually as I'm doing LDAP at work ATM, I might look at it later, but if anyone want to contribute, they're always more than

Re: [gentoo-dev] staffing needs expirations?

2006-05-03 Thread Mark Loeser
Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I just had somebody ask me about whether or not we still needed LDAP help. It's a good question, and I didn't know the answer, which is rather embarrassing since I'm the one who filed the LDAP staffing request. Since then I believe that lcars had taken

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] feature freeze for 2.1

2006-05-03 Thread Simon Stelling
Zac Medico wrote: the addition of new features. From this time forward, please do not commit anything to the 2.1 branch (current trunk) unless it is a fix for functionality that already exists. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Why don't we make 2.1 a real branch and use trunk for

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] feature freeze for 2.1

2006-05-03 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: Zac Medico wrote: the addition of new features. From this time forward, please do not commit anything to the 2.1 branch (current trunk) unless it is a fix for functionality that already exists. Thank you in advance for

[gentoo-portage-dev] Perl, sort, and locale

2006-05-03 Thread felix
I doubt this is the right place to bring this up, but maybe some one can tell me where to go :-) I have discovered an inconsistency in how perl and sort handle locale. Here are two commands you can run in a shell ... (echo '/'; echo '?') | sort (echo '/'; echo '?') | perl -e '@x = ;

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Perl, sort, and locale

2006-05-03 Thread Marius Mauch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I doubt this is the right place to bring this up, but maybe some one can tell me where to go :-) Yeah, this is definitely the wrong place, not really sure where the appropriate place for this is though. Probably a perl or coreutils related list/forum might help