[gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Hello, I have just read the following story, which scared me a bit: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/23/1728205tid=150 Does this obligation, to provide your own source, also count for a none Gentoo developer making a overlay tree for one of his projects which is licensed under

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 28 June 2006 11:21, Mivz wrote: Does this obligation, to provide your own source, also count for a none Gentoo developer making a overlay tree for one of his projects which is licensed under de GPL-2? Because that is a derived distro form Gentoo right? The problem there is with

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 6/28/06, Mivz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have just read the following story, which scared me a bit: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/23/1728205tid=150 Does this obligation, to provide your own source, also count for a none Gentoo developer making a overlay

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Wednesday 28 June 2006 11:21, Mivz wrote: Does this obligation, to provide your own source, also count for a none Gentoo developer making a overlay tree for one of his projects which is licensed under de GPL-2? Because that is a derived distro form Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 28 June 2006 12:47, Mivz wrote: So that would not be when a stage 3 install cd for the Overlay tree is published? Because that cd contains binary precomplied packages. Well, IANAL and as Stuart said the last word is up to trustees, but from my understanding, as long as the overlay

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:21:45 +0200 Mivz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this obligation, to provide your own source, also count for a none Gentoo developer making a overlay tree for one of his projects which is licensed under de GPL-2? If your project is licensed under the GPL-2, you have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mivz wrote: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? Very free. There are many project

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 04:28:42PM +0200, Mivz wrote: How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? *plonk* -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Wednesday 28 June 2006 16:28, Mivz wrote: How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? There is nothing preventing you from just publishing a patch with your name. The problem arises only if you

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 6/28/06, Mivz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? With the GPL v2, you don't need a server at all. You're perfectly entitled to distribute the code on DVD (for example),

[gentoo-dev] Bugday announcement

2006-06-28 Thread Bjarke Istrup Pedersen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey everybody. Bugday is moving closer, and we would like to see you on Saturday 1. of July. We are celebrating that it once again is the first saturday of the month. We will be serving virtual cookies to everybody who shows up :-) So please, show

[gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Wiktor Wandachowicz
Mivz mivz at alpha.spugium.net writes: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? This is free as in *freedom*. GPL says that you cannot

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Mike Doty wrote: Mivz wrote: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? Very free. There are many project sites that will host your content

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: I mean, if someone is able to create its own web page and put a binary download(s) of its work, then how hard is it to comply with the GPL license and just put some more links to the source code? It's like the (old?/new?) Decalogue: You shall not steal. But if

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mivz wrote: Mike Doty wrote: Mivz wrote: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? Very

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 17:18 +0200, Mivz wrote: Mike Doty wrote: Mivz wrote: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? Very free.

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Mike Doty wrote: Mivz wrote: Mike Doty wrote: Mivz wrote: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own name? Very free. There are many project

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:42:47 -0400 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This is a common misconception. All that you really need to provide | is the patches. Careful with that. The GNU people say otherwise. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DistributingSourceIsInconvenient --

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 17:18 +0200, Mivz wrote: Mike Doty wrote: Mivz wrote: Then I have got this one question, I don't need a answer too. How free is free software if you need a lawyer and a expensive server just to be able to publish your addition under your own

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mivz
Mike Doty wrote: Then you miss the entire point of GPL. You own your code, but if you derive it from something that is GPL, then you must comply with the GPL. The GPL exists to protect the author from what you're trying to do. Your statement also goes against the whole concept of free

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Luca Barbato
Mivz wrote: You called me selfish, childish Whoever complains about the distribution rules from GPL after using GPL'd source/stuff is... and a M$ lover... Never said. Well... I'm a squatter, I try to live anarchistic and I do not prejudge people. And if I disagree... I certainly do not

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 28 June 2006 17:42, Chris Gianelloni wrote: This is a common misconception.  All that you really need to provide is the patches. Not really, no. As Ciaran already said, FSF seems not to think this way and this is the most important thing on that article. But there's a simple way

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mivz wrote: That other people don't have a 9 line counting footer and are not official Gentoo developers does not say they are so much different from you or stupid. You called me selfish, childish and a M$ lover... Well... I'm a squatter, I try

[gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Wiktor Wandachowicz
Mivz mivz at alpha.spugium.net writes: But if your modification is on top of the Gentoo system and your build your own Live cd, like Kororaa, do you have to provide all the sources of all the program's on the live cd? Well, if you *modify* programs that you want to put on said live cd (like

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:55:47 -0500 Mike Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Perhaps you should take another English class before you make a bigger | fool out of yourself than you just did. I don't think Gentoo developers should be making those kinds of comments towards users, no matter how much they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:30:27 +0200 Mivz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: I mean, if someone is able to create its own web page and put a binary download(s) of its work, then how hard is it to comply with the GPL license and just put some more links to the source code?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 07:54:12PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: You don't have to do this for binary files copied from a Gentoo Live CD, as in that case you're a third party (like a courier, or the postman) and can can simply refer back to Gentoo. According to the FSF you need to provide the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Duncan
Mivz [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:30:27 +0200: Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: I mean, if someone is able to create its own web page and put a binary download(s) of its work, then how hard is it to comply with the GPL license and just put

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Luca Barbato
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Wednesday 28 June 2006 17:42, Chris Gianelloni wrote: This is a common misconception. All that you really need to provide is the patches. Not really, no. As Ciaran already said, FSF seems not to think this way and this is the most important thing on that

Re: [gentoo-dev] GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 21:48 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Wednesday 28 June 2006 17:42, Chris Gianelloni wrote: This is a common misconception. All that you really need to provide is the patches. Not really, no. As Ciaran already said, FSF seems not to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-06-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:20:00 +0200 Maurice van der Pot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 07:54:12PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: You don't have to do this for binary files copied from a Gentoo Live CD, as in that case you're a third party (like a courier, or the postman) and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners

2006-06-28 Thread Curtis Napier
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:54:02 +0200 Raphael Marichez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO this seems a good idea. The portage tree is growing every week, every month, and it doesn't really suit for the very little systems (embedded linux) nowadays. Furthermore, with the old

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 June 2006 01:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 24 June 2006 18:54, Edward Catmur wrote: * Security (from malicious contributors): Glad to see layman will only track the reviewed/ tree; still, anyone who checks out the sunrise/ tree (and has it in PORTDIR_OVERLAY) is

[gentoo-dev] Re: [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-28 Thread David Shakaryan
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 24 June 2006 18:54, Edward Catmur wrote: * Security (from malicious contributors): Glad to see layman will only track the reviewed/ tree; still, anyone who checks out the sunrise/ tree (and has it in PORTDIR_OVERLAY) is vulnerable. - Remove from the examples