Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: User support system [WAS: Sunrise contemplations]
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:01:48 -0400 Mike Cvet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 21:05 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:42:52 -0500 James Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | hmmmdoesn't the GNU ClassPath implement enough of Java's | | runtimes to handle a command-line app like this (the app needs, | | basically, to be able to read files, communicate via the http | | protocol, print to stdout, and accept input from stdin)? And | | doesn't Kaffe use the GNU ClassPath? And if this is the case, | | couldn't GCJ be used in the place of Kaffe to build this app on | | platforms that aren't supported by Kaffe (or on all platforms, if | | that is desired)? | | What makes you think gcj works? | | What makes you think it doesn't? Practical experience on several of the platforms in question. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: User support system [WAS: Sunrise contemplations]
Mike Cvet wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 21:05 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:42:52 -0500 James Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | hmmmdoesn't the GNU ClassPath implement enough of Java's runtimes | to handle a command-line app like this (the app needs, basically, to | be able to read files, communicate via the http protocol, print to | stdout, and accept input from stdin)? And doesn't Kaffe use the GNU | ClassPath? And if this is the case, couldn't GCJ be used in the place | of Kaffe to build this app on platforms that aren't supported by Kaffe | (or on all platforms, if that is desired)? What makes you think gcj works? What makes you think it doesn't? For one example, it won't even build on mips (although it is possible some recent binutils changes has finally fixed that). -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] If I may interject...
Oh please stop the FUD. Move this slaverythingie out of gentoo-dev. I know I'm feeding the trolls but this has to stop. On 8/17/06, Samuel Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth the subject: If I may interject. The term slaveryware is a little extreme, but not out of reality. Microsoft does take steps to make themselves the *only* operating system out there Well it's a company and there are very good at using a network effect strategy. Nobody is forcing you to use Windows but many people forces you to have pixel perfect fidelity of DOC or XLS documents. Fortunatly this is beginning to change. (heck, they are even putting Windows on Macintosh!). Repeat after me : Boot camp is produced by Apple. Apple is using a network effect style strategy just like microsoft to convince you to buy Apple hardware (remember that Apple is an hardware company first and foremost). If they can also make you run Mac OS X well goodie. They do not physically harm you if you switch Operating Systems, but they make it as hard for you as you can. For instance, the moment Windows XP sees ANYTHING else in the MBR of it's current HDD, it shuts down, and will not work until you replace the MBR with it's own code. This is obviously to make it harder for Linux users to share a HDD with Windows. errr what !? I've been dual-booting or more for years with lilo or grub directly on the MBR without any issues whatsoever nor side effects affecting Windows. As far as NTFS, they are keeping that code to themselves (last I checked). Why? So other people have a much more difficult time reading and writing NTFS from another OS (Linux). Do a google search on ntfs-3g and fuse. They are not keeping the code to themselves, they are just licensing their code to the people that can pay the fees. Recently, they even wanted to collect patent fees for FAT but fortunatly it was agreed that FAT was common knowledge now and it was too late. Another big hook to keep you on Microsoft, is DirectX. Most of the big games are DirectX, and will not run on anything but DirectX. (I know, UT, DOOM, and Quake are for OpenGL). These keeps all gamers nailed down into Windows (Cedega/Wine help, but my experience has been less than satisfactory. Only Starcraft works well under Cedega for me, but that's another story). I'm a gamer, I know a lot of gamers, and guess what? We all have a windows OS. Only a few other people I know run Linux, but even so, we still using Windows for gaming. If windows would release the numbers on DirectX, everyone that I know (at least, the gamers), would be running linux (as they are all interested, but don't want to dual-boot). There are a few other examples, but I think you all get the point. OpenGL was the platform of choice for gaming developpement just a few years ago. Until the decision board fragmented, conflict of interest arised and bogged down the developpement of it's API. During that time, Microsoft released their first shot at a universal API and it was god awful but they kept at it until it was usable and even better that OpenGL. Since everybody runs Windows, publishers and game developpers alike follow the money for good reasons and the market began to shift to Direct X. See network effect. They're using the same strategy for the Xbox / Xbox 360 / XNA as we speak. In short, Microsoft tries to pull you into using their products over a 3rd party product, even if the latter is much better. Half of this is greed, since you have to pay for most Microsoft software. If you *have* to use this certain kind of DVD burning app on Vista, since that's the only one Microsoft will support (or else the computer will lock, on purpose, or something tricky like that), then Vista users are forced to pay Microsoft to get that application if they want to burn DVDs. Apple employs similar strategies, but that's another thread (which I'd be glad to have a discussion about, email me off gentoo lists.) I use Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org, Nero fex without any issue instead of IE, OE, Office and whatever they have in place for bult-in burning thank you very much. However, grandma just don't know any better (not mine thought ;)). We just need to let them know they are alternative and if possible provide training and coaching. As for Apple, they produce excellent intergrated first party software but the third party ecosystem is alive and kicking rear ends but that's another story like you said. As far as flamewars, they do nothing but take up time, anger, and email. However, not every argument is a flamewar. A flame war is the typical KDE vs. GNOME, which is better. This has no basis in reality, as better is a subjective term. Perhaps someone likes the look better for KDE. You don't argue taste. A real argument would be Which has better support for... CD burning applications. Or Which runs faster at a certain system specification. Or even Which has a wider choice of customization (with every aspect having equal value to the next).
[gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
Hi, I posted this to the bugzilla, but was redirected here, so: INTRO: I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that there is really a mess in theme packages. They are both in media-gfx and x11-themes, they are named without any convention. PROPOSAL: 1) create a new directory in portage root eye-candy [or similar] 2) move all theme packages in there 3) follow the naming convention: [application]-[type]-[name] (for gentoo cursors this would be x11-cursors-gentoo, or for kdm theme tux mania it would be kdm-theme-tuxmania) 4) keep original packages as meta packages with notice, that users should upgrade -- Bc. Simon Toth www.fi.muni.cz/~xtoth1/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] If I may interject...
Feel free to discuss with each other privately, but this has nothing to do with gentoo development. Thanks, Alec Warner -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
On Friday 18 August 2006 08:12 am, Simon Toth wrote: INTRO: I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that there is really a mess in theme packages. They are both in media-gfx and x11-themes, they are named without any convention. Themes is kind of tricky. More on that in a bit. PROPOSAL: 1) create a new directory in portage root eye-candy [or similar] Naming needs help, but that's for later ;) 2) move all theme packages in there I assume you mean everything in x11-themes? 3) follow the naming convention: [application]-[type]-[name] (for gentoo cursors this would be x11-cursors-gentoo, or for kdm theme tux mania it would be kdm-theme-tuxmania) This worries me... I'm afraid this will promote users to start sending us themes for everything and the kitchen sink. This is a nightmare to an already interesting problem of tree maintainance. 4) keep original packages as meta packages with notice, that users should upgrade We add this to an update file which handles this for users transparently. -- Chris White Gentoo Developer aka: ChrisWhite cpw ChrisWhite|Work WhiteChocolate VanillaWhite Whitey WhiteLight WhiteCheese WhiteSugar WhiteButter WhiteWall WhiteLemon WhiteApple WhiteBlanket WhiteEnergy WhiteWhite pgpfHweix81Ix.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
Simon Toth wrote: Hi, I posted this to the bugzilla, but was redirected here, so: INTRO: I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that there is really a mess in theme packages. They are both in media-gfx and x11-themes, they are named without any convention. What would be more interesting is something like app-portage/g-cpan for various themes sites. This way, individual themes wouldn't need to get packaged and maintained. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 * Donnie Berkholz wrote, On 18.8.2006 17:44: Simon Toth wrote: Hi, I posted this to the bugzilla, but was redirected here, so: INTRO: I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that there is really a mess in theme packages. They are both in media-gfx and x11-themes, they are named without any convention. What would be more interesting is something like app-portage/g-cpan for various themes sites. This way, individual themes wouldn't need to get packaged and maintained. Yes, that would be nice, but it would require creating a new independent site which will contain database of theme packages. - -- Bc. Simon Toth www.fi.muni.cz/~xtoth1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE5eYoQDhHfsv/z6ARA6VWAJsFf0qwSV/O2dy9SkMYA8C0fP5qBwCcDaaF /qwhUQeoEdVQasYaKuX+TJU= =d+Hx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 * Chris White wrote, On 18.8.2006 17:32: On Friday 18 August 2006 08:12 am, Simon Toth wrote: INTRO: I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that there is really a mess in theme packages. They are both in media-gfx and x11-themes, they are named without any convention. Themes is kind of tricky. More on that in a bit. PROPOSAL: 1) create a new directory in portage root eye-candy [or similar] Naming needs help, but that's for later ;) 2) move all theme packages in there I assume you mean everything in x11-themes? I had the feeling that there were some programs, hallucinations are coming, I better get a pause :) 3) follow the naming convention: [application]-[type]-[name] (for gentoo cursors this would be x11-cursors-gentoo, or for kdm theme tux mania it would be kdm-theme-tuxmania) This worries me... I'm afraid this will promote users to start sending us themes for everything and the kitchen sink. This is a nightmare to an already interesting problem of tree maintainance. Well, do you really think that moving some packages and changing their names will cause people sending packages? :) Instead it will improve the maintenance, look into x11-themes, there are one word named packages! (example, what is comix? theme, program, cursors package?) 4) keep original packages as meta packages with notice, that users should upgrade We add this to an update file which handles this for users transparently. Even better :) - -- Bc. Simon Toth www.fi.muni.cz/~xtoth1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE5efMQDhHfsv/z6ARAwigAJ91Sv9BhY6Z1lXVOaB+olguu6mcawCgmc0d 5wM/3mSA0N2FJcFwJZLJrtM= =enlL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:44:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What would be more interesting is something like app-portage/g-cpan | for various themes sites. This way, individual themes wouldn't need | to get packaged and maintained. If anyone's looking to experiment with this kind of thing... Paludis supports multiple repository formats. We're already supporting CRAN, and we might do CPAN, CTAN, that Ruby thingie at some point (although those're trickier because of conflicts with in-tree stuff). I looked into doing it for vim.org, although there's no standard package format there and no easy way of figuring out where to install something if it's just shipped as a .vim file (is it a colour scheme, a plugin, an ftplugin, an indent script, ...?). That's the biggie here -- is there a standard upstream format for whatever it is they're distributing? -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] Last rites: media-sound/alsaplayer
The media-sound/alsaplayer package is pending removal as requested by [EMAIL PROTECTED] for multiple buffer overflows [1], dead upstream [1] and a crash occurring when playing uLaw/AU Audio File [2]. The package is currently masked and is pending removal on 15th September. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143402 [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143742 -- Christian Heim phreak at gentoo.org GPG: 9A9F68E6 / AEC4 87B8 32B8 4922 B3A9 DF79 CAE3 556F 9A9F 68E6 Your friendly treecleaner/mobile/kernel/vserver/openvz monkey pgpNCQu8reHNG.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Coda file system needs new maintainer
Hi guys, I've been maintaining Coda, but I'm not using it anymore. I'm looking for someone to take over maintenance. It's a low-maintenance package. Any takers? Regards, Maurice. -- Maurice van der Pot Gentoo Linux Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org Creator of BiteMe! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kfk4ever.com pgpCb8vuHQJcB.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: [treecleaner] net-misc/mirror has been removed
On Friday, 18. August. 2006 19:16, Christian Heim wrote: The net-misc/mirror package has been removed. This is closing the following open bugs: #69698: mirror-2.9 and emirror-2.1.21 both install /usr/bin/mirror #138404: net-misc/mirror - removal request And forgot about this one: #70656: mirror-2.9: FTP-Response Whitespace Parse Problem -- Christian Heim phreak at gentoo.org GPG key ID: 9A9F68E6 Fingerprint: AEC4 87B8 32B8 4922 B3A9 DF79 CAE3 556F 9A9F 68E6 Your friendly treecleaner/mobile/kernel/vserver/openvz monkey pgpGnTJ0hLLrA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting USE_EXPAND defaults in profiles (in some cases)
Donnie Berkholz wrote: For ebuilds that use USE_EXPAND to pull in other dependencies rather than just internally building drivers (I suspect xorg is the only one), I've been thinking of a way to make the whole setup cleaner. agaffney suggested this in the first place, and every time I think about it, it seems like a better idea. If we set VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES in the arch profiles, we get the arch-specific defaults we need without the really hugely ugly indecipherable mess in the ebuilds that nobody can understand besides Josh_B and me. The very strange corner case this doesn't work with is if people manually set VIDEO_CARDS=, then they will no longer get the behavior of pulling in everything. But the default case will still work great. I'm going to go ahead with this in the next week or so unless I hear massive objections. It's done. Let me know if anything breaks, although repoman OK'd the changes to the ebuilds and I've tested or had test results reported from 3 architectures. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Make FEATURES=test the default
Am Samstag, 5. August 2006 02:11 schrieb Kevin F. Quinn: I'd like to suggest we make FEATURES=test (and therefore USE=test) the default behaviour, rather than the opt-in we currently have. Far too many packages fail their test phase. I'm all for making more use of features like test and collision-protect, though in the past I noticed that many devs don't seem to care much. I even think to remember of bugs getting closed invalid with a we don't care about-comment. But if FEATURES=test is considered more importand in the future, I'll continue bugging you with related bugs. However I think we have a long way to go till we can even think of enabling it by default. -- Hanno Böck Blog: http://www.hboeck.de/ GPG: 3DBD3B20 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpw5kYBpCege.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] net-im/gtalk has been removed
The net-net-im/gtalk package has been removed. This is closing the following open bugs: #79986: net-im/gtalk removal request -- Christian Heim phreak at gentoo.org GPG key ID: 9A9F68E6 Fingerprint: AEC4 87B8 32B8 4922 B3A9 DF79 CAE3 556F 9A9F 68E6 Your friendly treecleaner/mobile/kernel/vserver/openvz monkey pgp8CzPN0BMKc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:44:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What would be more interesting is something like app-portage/g-cpan | for various themes sites. This way, individual themes wouldn't need | to get packaged and maintained. If anyone's looking to experiment with this kind of thing... Paludis supports multiple repository formats. We're already supporting CRAN, and we might do CPAN, really? i thought you told me in irc we weren't worth it or something like that...honestly not trying to troll or incite flame, you gather enough of that, but last we spoke about incorporating g-cpan like functionality into paludis on irc, it wasn't worth your time (choice expletives were used). from the gist of that conversation, paludis was not up to this job if the repository didn't fit some rather strict guidelines. - -- - -o()o-- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -o()o-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE5nNjq1ztTp5/Ti4RAj69AJ9ACXxShseFHWA504RKpg5uXx0nxQCgrUsE kL7shXFoSXpRmTYxLpEpyAU= =0TUz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] [adopt-a-dev] New Resource Offers and Requests
Greetings Fellow Developers, New items are being added to the Adopt a Developer project page[1] all the time. However, developers who don't check the project page won't know about all the new stuff. Similarly, users won't be aware of new developer needs unless they check the project page. So, I'd like to send weekly e-mails to gentoo-dev@gentoo.org with lists of new offers and requests. If this is a problem, or if you think 7 days would be too frequent, or if this type of thing is unwanted, let me know. The e-mails will contain [adopt-a-dev] in the subject line so that they can easily be filtered. Below is a list of new offers and requests made in the last 7 days. The weekly e-mails will contain something similar to this. The complete list of developer requests and community member offers (currently at 8 requests and 23 offers) is available on our project page. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/adopt-a-dev/index.xml -Thomas Community Member Offers === Offered Resource: Xen Virtual Server, Unlimited storage within reason, 100MB+ Ram, 100Mbit Burstable, 5Mbit dedicated, unlimited throughput. Backup and Restore points can be created by request. Name: Ryan Gibbons Location: Fort Worth, Texas, USA Last Modified: 2006-08-16 13:15:05 Offered Resource: Hitachi HTS721010G9SA00 100GB, 7200rpm, 2.5 SATA HD. Name: Richard Fish Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA Last Modified: 2006-08-13 18:25:04 Offered Resource: Hitachi HTS541080G9SA00, 80GB, 5400rpm, 2.5 SATA HD. Name: Richard Fish Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA Last Modified: 2006-08-13 18:25:15 Offered Resource: TDK 4800B IDE 52x CD-RW internal drive (beige) Name: Steve Dibb Location: West Jordan, UT, USA Last Modified: 2006-08-14 05:35:12 Offered Resource: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, dock and charger. Name: Tom Wesley Location: UK Last Modified: 2006-08-15 11:11:20 Offered Resource: Belkin Nostromo n50 Speedpad. Name: Thomas Heinrichsdobler Location: Germany Last Modified: 2006-08-18 19:56:32 New Developer Requests == None in the past 7 days. pgpTGLxKghEmb.pgp Description: PGP signature
