Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:41:40 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Sunday 17 December 2006 16:04, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:10:57 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > wrote: | > | I've tried to be objective here so if my viewpoint isn't obvious | > | I'll

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 17 December 2006 16:04, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:10:57 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I've tried to be objective here so if my viewpoint isn't obvious I'll > | state it outright. I think all packages should depend on every > | package that they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:21:36 -0500 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > It's quite simple. You don't do it unless you are fully aware of the | > consequences. If you have to ask, you aren't fully aware of the | > consequences so you mustn't do it. | > | | Which c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:21:36 -0500 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > It's quite simple. You don't do it unless you are fully aware of the | > consequences. If you have to ask, you aren't fully aware of the | > consequences so you mustn't do it. | > | | Which clearly doesn't answer Rya

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:10:57 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I've tried to be objective here so if my viewpoint isn't obvious I'll | state it outright. I think all packages should depend on every | package that they need to build and/or run. Whether this is done | explicitly or with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 17 December 2006 10:27, Alec Warner wrote: > If your package is 'not important' meaning it will never be in 'system' for > any profile, you should not depend on anything in 'system', as stuff in > system should already be installed in a given (sane) configuration. Except if the package i

Re: [gentoo-dev] SAMBA needs a maintainer

2006-12-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
i just closed a bunch of them and version bumped the pkg ... but dont let that stop anyone else from having a look at still open issues :p -mike pgpsbLd7iZYGb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] SAMBA needs a maintainer

2006-12-16 Thread Doug Goldstein
Jakub Moc wrote: > net-fs/samba has been missing a maintainer since August, and there's > quite a lot of open bugs. Anyone interested in taking over this (at > least temporarily), please see the following list: > > http://tinyurl.com/wycqt > > Thanks. > I'll give some of the issues a look over

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hrm, I thought I wrote about this a while ago but I don't see it on > archives.g.o so lets try again. > > > If your package is 'not important' meaning it will never be in > > 'system' for any profile, you should not depend on anything in > > 'system',

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Alec Warner
Ryan Hill wrote: Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it's universal, then why isn't it written somewhere? After all this, we *still* haven't gotten an answer to why some packages outside of the system target are depending on zlib. Is this a bug? If not, what's the reason it's there? Let's

Re: [gentoo-dev] SAMBA needs a maintainer

2006-12-16 Thread Alec Warner
Jakub Moc wrote: net-fs/samba has been missing a maintainer since August, and there's quite a lot of open bugs. Anyone interested in taking over this (at least temporarily), please see the following list: http://tinyurl.com/wycqt Thanks. If there are any interested users, I am willing to pro

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's quite simple. You don't do it unless you are fully aware of the > > consequences. If you have to ask, you aren't fully aware of the > > consequences so you mustn't do it. > > That's a flawed argument. Not

[gentoo-dev] SAMBA needs a maintainer

2006-12-16 Thread Jakub Moc
net-fs/samba has been missing a maintainer since August, and there's quite a lot of open bugs. Anyone interested in taking over this (at least temporarily), please see the following list: http://tinyurl.com/wycqt Thanks. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Doug Goldstein wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:46:30 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> | Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> | > > Could you spell out that exception clause, please? >> | > >> | > It d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Doug Goldstein
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:46:30 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > > Could you spell out that exception clause, please? > | > > | > It doesn't translate well into words, but we'll go with something > | > like "Unl

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND variable to choose ALSA PCM plugins

2006-12-16 Thread Ryan Hill
"Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 16 December 2006 22:18, Luca Barbato wrote: > > Not really I think as usual none == all ^^ > Yes, but I also plan to make all of them in the default set. I withdraw my objection then. ;d signature.asc Description: PGP signatu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND variable to choose ALSA PCM plugins

2006-12-16 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 16 December 2006 22:18, Luca Barbato wrote: > Not really I think as usual none == all ^^ Yes, but I also plan to make all of them in the default set. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Sound, ALSA, PAM, KDE,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND variable to choose ALSA PCM plugins

2006-12-16 Thread Luca Barbato
Ryan Hill wrote: > > I don't think the average user, even the average Gentoo user, has any > idea what any of these plug-ins do, how they work, and which ones they > need. This is getting a bit too complicated. Not really I think as usual none == all ^^ lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gent

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:46:30 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Can we skip the sekrit rulez crap and just spell it out? Really, > | how does this help anyone? > > It's quite simple. You don't do it unless you are fully aware of the > c

Re: [gentoo-dev] anybody wants app-misc/nomad-tool?

2006-12-16 Thread George Shapovalov
Masked, as per previous announement. Nobody stepped up, so this is now on track for removal. George -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND variable to choose ALSA PCM plugins

2006-12-16 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 16 December 2006 20:48, Ryan Hill wrote: > Keeping the ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS around > but putting it in USE_EXPAND_HIDDEN might work. USE_EXPAND_HIDDEN is something you shouldn't really do for user-definable behaviour. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:46:30 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > > Could you spell out that exception clause, please? | > | > It doesn't translate well into words, but we'll go with something | > like "Unless you know exactly why the rule is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND variable to choose ALSA PCM plugins

2006-12-16 Thread Petteri Räty
Ryan Hill kirjoitti: > > I don't think the average user, even the average Gentoo user, has any > idea what any of these plug-ins do, how they work, and which ones they > need. This is getting a bit too complicated. Is there any way to > install everything as we've always done but still provide s

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] USE_EXPAND variable to choose ALSA PCM plugins

2006-12-16 Thread Ryan Hill
"Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure if anybody here knows, but alsa-plugins is not the only set > of plugins an user installs in its system, many others are installed > by alsa-lib itself, they are the basic plugins like dmix, dsnoop, > iec958, plug... the ones that m

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dependencies on system packages

2006-12-16 Thread Ryan Hill
Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could you spell out that exception clause, please? > > It doesn't translate well into words, but we'll go with something > like "Unless you know exactly why the rule is there, understand > fully the implications of breaking it, and know why it's a >

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] IMPORTANT: CVS/mastermirror downtime

2006-12-16 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Tach Lance, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Lance Albertson schrieb: > Thanks guys for taking care of this so quickly! Sorry I couldn't help > much as I'm a bit busy traveling for the next few days. The Gentoo flag waves in then winter windthanks. V-Li -- Fingerpri

[gentoo-dev] net-misc/ltsp

2006-12-16 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi all, net-misc/ltsp will be removed on 15 Jan 2007, it has been hard masked today. There is no maintainer, we have an open security issue [1], so it will be punted. If someone steps to take it over, you know what to do. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142661 V-Li -- Fingerpr

[gentoo-dev] Re: Big change ideea

2006-12-16 Thread Duncan
Mike Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:56:58 -0500: > Marijn Schouten wrote: >> 3) security. When installing a package, it only has write access to its >> own directory. I'm guessing they do this with ACLs. >> >> So we have this cool packa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/cidr

2006-12-16 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:16:25 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Upstream for net-misc/cidr has disappeared (their homepage has been dead > > for a long long time according to archive.org), and a cursory check on > > the Internets doesn't yield a new home. Masked accordingly, pendin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/cidr

2006-12-16 Thread Petteri Räty
Elfyn McBratney kirjoitti: > Hullo list, > > Upstream for net-misc/cidr has disappeared (their homepage has been dead > for a long long time according to archive.org), and a cursory check on > the Internets doesn't yield a new home. Masked accordingly, pending > removal on 2006-12-25 - 14 days ti