[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2007-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev

[gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was wondering what is keeping us from releasing a minimal install cd more often than we do now. Isn't almost everything needed for it already in the stable tree and thus tested? And if so isn't it possible to fully automate generation of these

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: I was wondering what is keeping us from releasing a minimal install cd more often than we do now. Isn't almost everything needed for it already in the stable tree and thus tested? And if so isn't it possible to fully automate generation of these cd's? Time and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages requiring explicit db versions?

2007-03-01 Thread Caleb Tennis
To follow up to this, I am planning on package.masking sys-libs/db 4.0 and 4.1 sometime in the near future, to be followed up by their removal in ~30 days. If this poses a problem to you, a package you maintain, one of your family members, or some exotic animal you may or may not own, please let

[gentoo-dev] Re: more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Tiziano Mueller
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: I was wondering what is keeping us from releasing a minimal install cd more often than we do now. Isn't almost everything needed for it already in the stable tree and thus tested? And if so isn't it possible to fully automate generation of these cd's? I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Tiziano Mueller wrote: Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: I was wondering what is keeping us from releasing a minimal install cd more often than we do now. Isn't almost everything needed for it already in the stable tree and thus tested? And if so isn't it possible to fully automate generation of

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:49:25AM +0100, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: I was wondering what is keeping us from releasing a minimal install cd more often than we do now. Isn't almost everything needed for it already in the stable tree and thus tested? And if so isn't it possible to fully

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Hubert Mercier
Hello everybody :) I'd like to argue about this problem, since my point of view slightly differs about this problem. I think that releasing installation media more often would make sense, more than in the case of stages. I wrote a small article a few weeks ago, about the Small Gentoo LiveCD

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Gaffney wrote: Also, what's the point? Everything you use to install from the minimal is fetched from the internet. The only thing that an updated minimal would give us is a slightly more hardware support during the install. This slightly

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Caleb Cushing
I personnally would like to see stage tarballs updated more frequently if an arch receives a major update in system, like gcc or glibc, even if this is only an r patch because these are a pain to install, and by update I mean something new goes stable. Such releases are infrequent, but make it

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Simon Stelling wrote: That being said, I think this is really up to the releng team and noone else. They are doing the work, so we can discuss it far and wide, as long as releng doesn't want to do it, nothing will happen. So maybe we should wait for a statement from Chris before doing anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Cory Visi
I just want to point out that I have gone through 4 years of gcc/glibc/binutils/baselayout/udev/etc. updates on 8 production servers with varying hardware _with the hardened profile_ and I've never had to re-emerge world once. In addition, I don't see a huge drawback to using other distro's

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Matti Bickel
Cory Visi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, I don't see a huge drawback to using other distro's LiveCDs. Some distros specialize in making a LiveCD do everything possible, like Knoppix. This group isn't maintaining a portage tree, they are just making their LiveCD awesome. Why not

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Alec Warner
Simon Stelling wrote: That being said, I think this is really up to the releng team and noone else. They are doing the work, so we can discuss it far and wide, as long as releng doesn't want to do it, nothing will happen. So maybe we should wait for a statement from Chris before doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Rémi Cardona
Robin H. Johnson wrote: As opposed to minimal CDs, I would see weekly builds of stage3 tarballs to be much more useful. ++ on that. Rebuilding _everything_ because openssl changed ABI since the last stage3 install could save users a lot of time/trouble. (that was just an example) Weekly,

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Rémi Cardona wrote: Robin H. Johnson wrote: As opposed to minimal CDs, I would see weekly builds of stage3 tarballs to be much more useful. ++ on that. Rebuilding _everything_ because openssl changed ABI since the last stage3 install could save users a lot of time/trouble. (that was just an

[gentoo-dev] test

2007-03-01 Thread Thibaut Fernagut
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Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Luca Barbato
Cory Visi wrote: In addition, I don't see a huge drawback to using other distro's LiveCDs. I tried to install a system with a marvell pata drive, no livecd I know of managed to run because they couldn't find the cdrom. the system was to be installed using debian and had windows installed, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] test

2007-03-01 Thread expose
please ignore if you wanted to test wether you successfully registered you could also have waited 12 hours, that is, you could have waited for as long as you would expect it to take unitl the next mail is sent to this list, which is unlikely to be longer than 12hrs. cheers, daniel --

[gentoo-dev] A new security dev: Matt Drew (aetius)

2007-03-01 Thread Petteri Räty
Please give the usual warm welcome to Matt aetius Drew. Matt pings us from Durham, North Carolina, USA. He says he lacks the skills that make someone a software engineer as opposed to a programmer. Well I hope he has never looked at Portage code. Insert random quotes: My best area of expertise is