Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
Le Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:07:26 -0700, Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Steve Dibb wrote: Dominique Michel wrote: I fully agree, theology is the worst possible name if the herd will include both religious and scientific softwares. No worries, app-misc/gramps was dropped from the theology herd, and is herdless once again. So what's the big problem of sticking it into a herd somewhere, a herd that seems to be maintained by just one person (beandog in this case)? The fact at the herd is maintained by one or more peoples have nothing to do with this. It is about the meaning of the words and consistency. If I put gramps into theology, I can put gnome into kde, mplayer into media-sound and grabcartoons into theology. Otherwise, sci-misc will be a better place for gramps (that seam to be as least as good as some equivalent commercial softwares) as app-misc. Dominique -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs
Robin H. Johnson wrote: Taking into account the other reasonable input, how about the name of attribute 'automatic-bug' ? Well, to complicate things even further, if you approach that from a semantic angle, automatic-bug is just as wrong as the others, since no bug is automatically created... Yet I am fine with (almost) anything that gives the user the idea of what it is all about: Bugzilla. Therefore terms like bug, assignment, and maybe something like automatic are good choices. So, although there's the cc-problem, I so agree with what Matti Bickel wrote I would like assign somewhere in the name, but i'd be fine with your proposal as well. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs
Ned Ludd wrote: I don't see anything wrong with how it was proposed originally using contact=0 The reason why contact isn't perfect was given by Mart leio Raudsepp yet, namely: contact=0 in metadata.xml in this context means that the automatic reassigning should not assign to that maintainer, but when a user looks whom to ask specific questions from and sees contact=0 he/she will understand he/she is not to contact that person as the value is zero, but Daniel wants them to contact precisely him in that case. A different keyword might be better for that reason. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs
2007-04-27, Robin H. Johnson sanoi: On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 10:32:25AM +0200, Jan Kundr?t wrote: AFAIK the preferred way of specifying boolean values in XML is to use contact=contact, not contact=1. I can't find this described anywhere in the XML specification http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/ Have you got a reference for it? That tradition stems from SGML, and in SGML it was also possible to minimize this kind of true values by telling attribute without value. The habit has carried over to XML even though it doesn't support attribute minimization. The reference can be found in the SGML handbook if you wish, I suppose. -- Flammie, Gentoo Linux Documentation’s Finnish head translator and FlameEyes’ bot http://dev.gentoo.org/~flammie. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
Hi, I would hate to drag this discussion on endlessly, so I promise this will be my only post :). Dominique Michel wrote: Le Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:07:26 -0700, Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Steve Dibb wrote: Dominique Michel wrote: I fully agree, theology is the worst possible name if the herd will include both religious and scientific softwares. No worries, app-misc/gramps was dropped from the theology herd, and is herdless once again. So what's the big problem of sticking it into a herd somewhere, a herd that seems to be maintained by just one person (beandog in this case)? The fact at the herd is maintained by one or more peoples have nothing to do with this. It is about the meaning of the words and consistency. If I put gramps into theology, I can put gnome into kde, mplayer into media-sound and grabcartoons into theology. I still fail to see why this is such a big thing if one package which is mainly used in relation to a religion is in a herd called theology. It's not as if the world will come to a shattering halt and chaos will reign. If for some reason the gnome herd adopted fluxbox or the KDE people would take care of HAL, would you object because their herd names don't fit? Even if the alternative was the packet remaining herdless, because no other herd was interested? It's not as if this is a giant library, where a book will be lost forever if it's in the wrong category, or like putting ID on the science curriculum. Herds loosely lump related packages together, don't they? I thought they were just infrastructure, not real categories. Regards, Thomas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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[gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
Thomas Rösner [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:39:43 +0200: I still fail to see why this is such a big thing if one package which is mainly used in relation to a religion is in a herd called theology. It's not as if the world will come to a shattering halt and chaos will reign. If for some reason the gnome herd adopted fluxbox or the KDE people would take care of HAL, would you object because their herd names don't fit? Even if the alternative was the packet remaining herdless, because no other herd was interested? It's not as if this is a giant library, where a book will be lost forever if it's in the wrong category, or like putting ID on the science curriculum. Herds loosely lump related packages together, don't they? I thought they were just infrastructure, not real categories. Indeed. That's why while I don't personally agree with the idea of genealogy in theology, I think it goes in sci-*, I also don't believe it's a big deal in terms of herd placement. Herd placement is primarily of internal Gentoo interest, that is, to Gentoo devs/ATs/etc, not even most users except for filing bugs and if it's automated there... . If it was tree category placement and therefore could conceivably affect Gentoo user discoverability or otherwise had any significant external meaning at all, there might be /some/ reason to argue about it, but if it's only of interest internally for administrative use or the like, altho as I said it might raise a few eyebrows when folks happen across it. It's not as if it makes a difference, either to devs involved with it who will be involved anyway, or to those not interested in which case most won't touch it anyway, or even to bug wranglers or the like since that will be partially automated and where it isn't, they'll soon have job- specific internal knowledge like this down along with all the rest of it. Since it's not going to make a difference, certainly one of any significance, what's the big deal? Much ado about nothing? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Much_Ado_About_Nothing ) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Please fix your metadata.xml ASAP
Ned Ludd wrote: With the loss of our recent bug-wrangler infra will probably be moving to automated system of reassignment of bugs. In order for this to happen you need to properly have your maintainer and herd tags listed in the metadata.xml files. Things such as maintainer postgresql are not valid when you are using pgsql-bugs@ for bugzilla. In such cases put pgsql-bugs@ as the maintainer. The maintainer tag must be a valid bugzilla alias or user (domain not required). There are many more cases of this outside of the one listed package. I'll see if I can compile a list of the offenders sometime in the near future. Just wanted to mention app-portage/metagen is great for messing with package metadata. -- where to now? if i had to guess dirtyepic gentoo orgi'm afraid to say antarctica's next 9B81 6C9F E791 83BB 3AB3 5B2D E625 A073 8379 37E8 (0x837937E8) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
· Thomas Rösner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I still fail to see why this is such a big thing if one package which is mainly used in relation to a religion is in a herd called theology. Pardon me, but what makes you say, that gramps is mainly used in relation to a religion? Just because some sect uses it? If so - how about putting Emacs into a religious herd? After all, emacs is for some people a religion as well; and on the other hand, it might be possible, that some religious persons use Emacs as well. And finally - you can use Gramps perfectly well while being an atheist or being agnostic. Alexander Skwar -- I am examining you on your fool ideas that no intelligent Christian on earth believes. -- Clarence Darrow, to William Jennings Bryan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
Le Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:16:27 + (UTC), Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Thomas Rösner [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:39:43 +0200: Indeed. That's why while I don't personally agree with the idea of genealogy in theology, I think it goes in sci-*, I also don't believe it's a big deal in terms of herd placement. Herd placement is primarily of internal Gentoo interest, that is, to Gentoo devs/ATs/etc, not even most users except for filing bugs and if it's automated there... . I disagree. When searching for a software to do a given job and when I have no idea of which software can do it, I begin to look for the ebuild descriptions in the portage tree. It goes faster as anything else with mc. And I will never search a genealogy program in theology, so I will just miss it if it is in theology. That said, I agree at it is not a big deal in term of herd placement from a developer point of vue, but it is one, as I already said, in term of consistency and meanings. English is not my first language, and if the portage tree don't have a good consistency regarding to the meaning of the used terms, I vote to replace those terms by numbers. So it will be no consistency problem because it will be no consistency at all. I am joking, the name of the herds are fine. And I prefer to have such a naming policy as something as a/aa/* as on sourceforge. Ciao, Dominique -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new herd: theology
Josh Sled wrote: If that's the case, might not humanities be a better name? s/theology/humanities/ sounds good. +1 from me. Rémi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] new herd: theology
On 4/28/07, Rémi Cardona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Sled wrote: If that's the case, might not humanities be a better name? s/theology/humanities/ sounds good. +1 from me. Rémi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Indeed. Even if we wanted a herd specific to religion, theology is not the best choice since I've yet to conceive of how a program can do theology. Certain types of programs can inform one's theology (textual studies programs based on SWORD are a good example of this), but the same programs have various other uses. Humanities is a good enough description. -- Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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[gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
Dominique Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:32:50 +0200: I disagree. When searching for a software to do a given job and when I have no idea of which software can do it, I begin to look for the ebuild descriptions in the portage tree. It goes faster as anything else with mc. And I will never search a genealogy program in theology, so I will just miss it if it is in theology. I think you are missing the distinction between category/package, as seen in the tree and therefore affecting users and externally visible, and herd, which many users likely aren't aware of at all, as it's primarily a Gentoo-internal way for devs to organize packages of a similar theme they may be interested in working on. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] new herd: theology
Nathan Smith wrote: On 4/28/07, Rémi Cardona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Sled wrote: If that's the case, might not humanities be a better name? s/theology/humanities/ sounds good. +1 from me. Rémi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Indeed. Even if we wanted a herd specific to religion, theology is not the best choice since I've yet to conceive of how a program can do theology. Certain types of programs can inform one's theology (textual studies programs based on SWORD are a good example of this), but the same programs have various other uses. Humanities is a good enough description. It would only be called humanities if it was also trying to include gramps (geneology) with the other 7 packages which are explicitly religious in nature. As beandog has already said, gramps has been removed from the herd. religion or theology is clearly the most appropriate category of the remaining packages. There's no need to rename the herd to humanities just because some folks are uncomfortable with topics and packages relating to religion. Think about your local library (Dewey decimal system) -- you don't find Bible study guides in the humanities/sociology (300s, 400s, 600s, 800s and possibly 900s (history))...you find it in 100s and 200s. The sections on religion and philosophy. the remaining 7 packages are clearly religious in nature. Don't try to label them anything else, just because you ain't comfortable with it or don't like 'em. At least, that's my interpretation of most of the replies to this thread so far. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Artwork
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