[gentoo-dev] Re: DWS for 2007-05-07 - 2007-05-13
Ulrich Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last rites: app-emacs/preview-latex Probably this should be: dev-tex/preview-latex Right. Whoever added that to dev-tex should be stoned to death. Corrected in p.mask, too. V-Li -- http://www.gentoo.org/ http://www.faulhammer.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] openssh sftplogging patch
Hi, On Sun, 13 May 2007 22:16:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clear-Text: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178302 --- Comment #1 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007-05-13 22:16 --- hey look i provided an answer there as well: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/44313 Even back then I didn't really know how to interpret that: no, get it upgraded upstream You mean I should get the OpenSSH people to integrate the chmod/chown/umask functionality into their mainline sources? It took them several years to get the logging part integrated, and they probably have seen the sftplogging patch, did know that there is that chmod/chown/umask functionality, and they haven't integrated that for some (to me, unimaginable) reason. What do you think how long it would take for me or anybody else to convince them to integrate that as well? I'm running an sftp fileserver which can only be secured by using that functionality so I could not upgrade the OpenSSH on that server for about a year now since the sftplogging patch has been removed from the ebuild. Do you really think that we, who are using that functionality, want to wait some more years for the OpenSSH people to integrate the another half of the functionality of that patch? Shouldn't it be done so that you don't just ditch a function set that is heavily used and depended on by several people until the upstream folks don't fully integrate it? I really don't understand the way you're thinking. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm stupid, please enlighten me! Thanks, Sab -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: DWS for 2007-05-07 - 2007-05-13
Thilo Bangert wrote: you rock! ++ great idea -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: ion license
Mike Frysinger wrote: Perhaps atom, an uncharged single ion. =) the words uncharged ion dont belong together as an ion by definition carries a charge :p Heh how about FreeRadical then; don't they carry a charge? Other than tho, the guy is a complete jerk; as Arch said on the list they don't want any of his software ever again, irrespective of license, since he clearly doesn't understand the spirit of Free Software, and has caused so much upset with one thread. Good to be able to be firm about it. Anyhow, I'm up for hacking on it if anyone else is. Lower-level X11 programming would be nice to explore (and yes, I am aware of how big the official manuals were ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: ion license
On 14/05/07, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: Perhaps atom, an uncharged single ion. =) the words uncharged ion dont belong together as an ion by definition carries a charge :p Heh how about FreeRadical then; don't they carry a charge? Other than tho, the guy is a complete jerk; as Arch said on the list they don't want any of his software ever again, irrespective of license, since he clearly doesn't understand the spirit of Free Software, and has caused so much upset with one thread. Good to be able to be firm about it. Anyhow, I'm up for hacking on it if anyone else is. Lower-level X11 programming would be nice to explore (and yes, I am aware of how big the official manuals were ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I'll help out on a fork, in a purely bug squishing role. I don't have time for active dev but I seem to have a strange fetish for gdb... -- /** * Gentoo Linux Developer * GPG : 0x2217D168 */
[gentoo-dev] Bugs in packages which have USE=emacs
Hi, As there are quite a lot of packages that have Emacs support by USE=emacs, I will just inform you, that the Emacs team would like to be informed/cced about issues therein. As we have a bit of experience with that monster, we will gladly help to close those bugs instead of letting them rot in Bugzilla. If the problem is simple we will take the freedom to commit fixes ourselves without waiting for maintainers. V-Li -- http://www.gentoo.org/ http://www.faulhammer.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugs in packages which have USE=emacs
Christian Faulhammer kirjoitti: Hi, As there are quite a lot of packages that have Emacs support by USE=emacs, I will just inform you, that the Emacs team would like to be informed/cced about issues therein. As we have a bit of experience with that monster, we will gladly help to close those bugs instead of letting them rot in Bugzilla. If the problem is simple we will take the freedom to commit fixes ourselves without waiting for maintainers. V-Li s/without waiting/after giving maintainers a ping/? Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
As software licenses seem to be so popular to talk about on gentoo-dev how about this one. Marijn mentioned on Irc that the bestcrypt license commercial trial license shouldn't be a supported package in Gentoo. Seeking further there is more Other licenses with a free time limited evaluation that are supported in Gentoo portage: ALMWorks-1.2 Arkkra OTN RAR BestCrypt is similar: BestCrypt for Linux is distributed as software with 30 days evaluation period. After evaluation period expired, the user has to either pay for his/her copy of BestCrypt software for Linux or uninstall it. (see End User License Agreement.) http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/linux.htm (Additional Notes) Is there a need for official policy here (and a bit of package removals)? -- Daniel Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Foundation pgpfekwYzQnoB.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Bugs in packages which have USE=emacs
Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Christian Faulhammer kirjoitti: If the problem is simple we will take the freedom to commit fixes ourselves without waiting for maintainers. s/without waiting/after giving maintainers a ping/? Of course not. If there is a bug open we will propose a fix. When there is no reaction for some time, we fix it, close the bug, so the maintainer will know. V-Li -- http://www.gentoo.org/ http://www.faulhammer.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
On Mon, 14 May 2007 21:26:17 +1000 Daniel Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a need for official policy here (and a bit of package removals)? There's no official policy preventing commercial software from being in the tree, so long as some conditions are met [1] -- although if source code isn't available for a package, it's very hard to support it properly. Such packages probably shouldn't be included in the default accepted licences, however. [1]: http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/tree/index.html -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
Add nero to that list. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
Daniel Black ha scritto: As software licenses seem to be so popular to talk about on gentoo-dev how about this one. Marijn mentioned on Irc that the bestcrypt license commercial trial license shouldn't be a supported package in Gentoo. Seeking further there is more Other licenses with a free time limited evaluation that are supported in Gentoo portage: ALMWorks-1.2 Arkkra OTN RAR BestCrypt is similar: BestCrypt for Linux is distributed as software with 30 days evaluation period. After evaluation period expired, the user has to either pay for his/her copy of BestCrypt software for Linux or uninstall it. (see End User License Agreement.) http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/linux.htm (Additional Notes) Is there a need for official policy here (and a bit of package removals)? /me votes for remove them (and app-cdr/nero) We removed winex for a similar reason and imho it's better to remove this crap from the repository (it's difficult to support that packages without violate the licence) -- Timothy `Drizzt` Redaelli - http://dev.gentoo.org/~drizzt/ FreeSBIE Developer, Gentoo Developer, GUFI Staff There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] zlib + build useflag
Hi folks, I've just seen that zlib is one of the packages with an build useflag, which AFAIK is set for building an stage1 (right ?). In the case of zlib it actually skips the documentation. Aren't there other useflags or features for that, so there would be an more generic solution ? I do not yet know how buildin an stage1 actually works, but IMHO the whole docs+man stuff should be skipped anyway. So, IMHO, in case of the zlib, it should be handled this way instead of using the build useflag. (Just my personal feelings ;-O) cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
Timothy Redaelli napsal(a): /me votes for remove them (and app-cdr/nero) Uhm, kindly leave app-arch/rar alone; that unrar-gpl thing is just a bad joke. (No idea what does the rest of licenses belong to, would make sense to post ebuilds names instead.) -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-05-13 23h59 UTC
* Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, www-misc/nscache 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nsopenssl2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nssha1 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nsxml2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 what did these packages do ? Sounds like mozilla stuff. Am I correct ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-05-13 23h59 UTC
Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, www-misc/nscache2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nsopenssl 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nssha1 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nsxml 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 what did these packages do ? Sounds like mozilla stuff. Am I correct ? I'm pretty certain a few simple google searches would answer this question for you. -- Andrew Gaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer Installer Project -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2007-05-13 23h59 UTC
On 14/05/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: www-misc/nscache 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nsopenssl2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nssha1 2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 www-misc/nsxml2007-05-07 18:41:07 armin76 what did these packages do ? Sounds like mozilla stuff. Am I correct ? Their removal was announced in a last rites email, you can find it in one of the list archives. Regards, -- Richard Brown -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Help with libflashsupport for amd64
I have just added net-www/libflashsupport-1.2 for ~x86, and would like to get the help of at least one amd64 dev to ensure it also works for ~amd64 before I add it as an optional dependency to net-www/netscape-flash So, any amd64 dev who can give me a hand, please do so, and/or contact me! Thank you. For those who do not know already, libflashsupport adds pulseaudio, oss, esd, and/or ssl/gnutls support to the netscape-flash binary. -- Jim Ramsay Gentoo/Linux Developer (rox,gkrellm) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
Carsten Lohrke napsal(a):
On Montag, 14. Mai 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
Uhm, kindly leave app-arch/rar alone; that unrar-gpl thing is just a bad
joke.
There's app-arch/unrar, so this is no point. When unrar-gpl is so broken, why
it's in the tree?
Carsten
As the name unrar suggests, it doesn't *pack* stuff, in only unpacks it.
So, thanks and leave the thing alone in the tree; and yeah, there are
really people who work w/ .rar stuff still, tar.{gz,bz2} hasn't
dominated the world yet.
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Best regards,
Jakub Moc
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[gentoo-dev] eselect missing depedency to realpath ?
Hi folks, I currently don't have an browser available to file an bug, so I post it to the list (sorry for not following the rules ;-O): Building eselect breaks because of missing realpath command. Installing the realpath package manually fixed this. So perhaps eselect misses the dependency to realpath ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect missing depedency to realpath ?
On 5/14/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently don't have an browser available to file an bug, so I post it to the list (sorry for not following the rules ;-O): Hi Enrico, Apologizing for something that you know is wrong doesn't make it less wrong in anyway. Since it's clearly temporary, you could have taken of note of the problem and filed the bug later. Bug reports are submitted to bugzilla :) Thank you -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 22:53 +0100, Roy Marples wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:44:28 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 12 May 2007, Roy Marples wrote: I've thought long and hard about it and I think a compile time option is best here. You can still disable the usage of DUID by null arg to the -I option, but many users launch dhcpcd by hand on the live cds. hmm, you can do it at runtime ? then you could provide a wrapper based on USE=livecd that calls dhcpcd with the proper arguments ... -mike Yes, the net scripts could use -I if $CDBOOT is set, but I'm thinking about the user running it by hand here. First off, we have 100% control over the root and gentoo environments on the release media. You want a function called dhcpcd that runs with -I on the LiveCD? We can add that to root's .bashrc easily on the CD. It also wouldn't populate into the installed environment, since we don't copy root's .bashrc as our default is to not have one. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
There is a bug report on app-cdr/nero still waiting for the maintainer to
update the portage tree, so that the current version of nero actually
downloads, rather than its current state of constant 404 errors.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172717
On 14/05/07, Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carsten Lohrke napsal(a):
On Montag, 14. Mai 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
Uhm, kindly leave app-arch/rar alone; that unrar-gpl thing is just a
bad
joke.
There's app-arch/unrar, so this is no point. When unrar-gpl is so
broken, why
it's in the tree?
Carsten
As the name unrar suggests, it doesn't *pack* stuff, in only unpacks it.
So, thanks and leave the thing alone in the tree; and yeah, there are
really people who work w/ .rar stuff still, tar.{gz,bz2} hasn't
dominated the world yet.
--
Best regards,
Jakub Moc
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Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:27 +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote: We removed winex for a similar reason and imho it's better to remove this crap from the repository (it's difficult to support that packages without violate the licence) No, we removed the winex-cvs package because upstream were being tools about it. We still have cedega in the tree. We also have *tons* of other commercial software in the tree. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] zlib + build useflag
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:50 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: I do not yet know how buildin an stage1 actually works No offense, but before you suggest a change, shouldn't you try to determine how and why things are done the way they are currently? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect missing depedency to realpath ?
On Mon, 14 May 2007 16:58:40 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently don't have an browser available to file an bug, so I post it to the list (sorry for not following the rules ;-O): Building eselect breaks because of missing realpath command. Installing the realpath package manually fixed this. So perhaps eselect misses the dependency to realpath ? Your not bug report is completely worthless because you haven't provided any relevant information. eselect requires either GNU readlink or realpath, and has dependencies saying so. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
On Montag, 14. Mai 2007, Jakub Moc wrote:
As the name unrar suggests, it doesn't *pack* stuff, in only unpacks it.
Why do you come with unrar-gpl then. I'd assume the same for it.
So, thanks and leave the thing alone in the tree; and yeah, there are
really people who work w/ .rar stuff still, tar.{gz,bz2} hasn't
dominated the world yet.
If there were an issue with distributing the rar package, the usual answer
were to use another archiver, no matter how many people complained.
Cratsen
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[gentoo-dev] last rites: app-office/{k,q}hacc
These packages are lingering around for a long time and no one of the KDE team seems interested fixing them, so they're up for adoption for a while, before they I'll remove them from the repository. Bug 177782 is yours, if you're interested. Carsten signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-dev] Last riting x11-misc/bubblemon.
# Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (14 May 2007) # Masked for removal in 30 days unless bug 175730 # gets solved. Bug has unfinished patch to port # this for GTK+-2.0. x11-misc/bubblemon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] 1/2 OT: splitting packages
Hi folks, I know this issue is not actually in the scope of this list, but maybe some of you might be interested: Lots of packages have optional parts which (IMHO) should/could be their own packages, ie. GUI frontends to console tools (aumix) or several language bindings of certain libs/toolkits. Those things tend to produce circular dependencies, which can only be solved with tricks like multiple builds, special useflags like build or bootstrap. For example berkeley db: it written in C and has additional bindings for C++ and Java. This produces two kind of problems: a) for the base system we must take care that it's built w/o them. b) if some package needs an special binding, dependencies get tricky (AFAIK portage cannot solve feature deps yet) An clean solution would be having the bindings as separate packages. Of course, often the upstream is not ready for this yet, and it's not in the scope of an distro like gentoo to such heavy changes. But those splits really should be done (IMHO) to make things a lot easier. So let's do it - do the split and try to convince the upstream to get it in. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] 1/2 OT: splitting packages
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 23:18 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, I know this issue is not actually in the scope of this list, but maybe some of you might be interested: Lots of packages have optional parts which (IMHO) should/could be their own packages, ie. GUI frontends to console tools (aumix) or several language bindings of certain libs/toolkits. Those things tend to produce circular dependencies, which can only be solved with tricks like multiple builds, special useflags like build or bootstrap. For example berkeley db: it written in C and has additional bindings for C++ and Java. This produces two kind of problems: a) for the base system we must take care that it's built w/o them. b) if some package needs an special binding, dependencies get tricky (AFAIK portage cannot solve feature deps yet) An clean solution would be having the bindings as separate packages. Of course, often the upstream is not ready for this yet, and it's not in the scope of an distro like gentoo to such heavy changes. But those splits really should be done (IMHO) to make things a lot easier. So let's do it - do the split and try to convince the upstream to get it in. We release our packages as upstream intends. If they don't split them, we don't split them, talk to upstream not us. This is what use flags are for... --Dan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] 1/2 OT: splitting packages
Daniel Ostrow wrote: On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 23:18 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, I know this issue is not actually in the scope of this list, but maybe some of you might be interested: Lots of packages have optional parts which (IMHO) should/could be their own packages, ie. GUI frontends to console tools (aumix) or several language bindings of certain libs/toolkits. Those things tend to produce circular dependencies, which can only be solved with tricks like multiple builds, special useflags like build or bootstrap. For example berkeley db: it written in C and has additional bindings for C++ and Java. This produces two kind of problems: a) for the base system we must take care that it's built w/o them. b) if some package needs an special binding, dependencies get tricky (AFAIK portage cannot solve feature deps yet) An clean solution would be having the bindings as separate packages. Of course, often the upstream is not ready for this yet, and it's not in the scope of an distro like gentoo to such heavy changes. But those splits really should be done (IMHO) to make things a lot easier. So let's do it - do the split and try to convince the upstream to get it in. We release our packages as upstream intends. If they don't split them, we don't split them, talk to upstream not us. This is what use flags are for... --Dan At what point is your sand so fine that you can't identify it as a grain. In other words...this induces a much larger set of packages that at least in my opinion would waste a lot of developer time for not a lot or any benefit, and as mentioned by Daniel we follow upstream and if they want it as one large package, we'll do it as well. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?
On Monday 14 May 2007, Daniel Black wrote: Marijn mentioned on Irc that the bestcrypt license commercial trial license shouldn't be a supported package in Gentoo. if you dont want to support it then dont ... it isnt any dev's place to tell other devs what software they choose to support Is there a need for official policy here (and a bit of package removals)? here's an idea: maintain what *you* want to maintain, dont tell others they cant maintain things if you dont like commercial software, then dont use it ... if you want a distribution that forbids use of such software, switch to Debian -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-vim/doxygen-syntax
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:56:04 -0400 Mike Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A modified version of app-vim/doxygen-syntax-1.15 is already included in vim7, no point in keeping this around. See Bug #174637. Scheduled for removal in 30 days. And it's gone... -- Mike Kelly signature.asc Description: PGP signature
