[gentoo-dev] Re: GNU Emacs developer documentation and XEmacs cooperation

2007-05-26 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Christian Faulhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> From a planet post:

 Copy and paste does not save links:

http://www.faulhammer.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182>

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[gentoo-dev] GNU Emacs developer documentation and XEmacs cooperation

2007-05-26 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi all,

From a planet post:

We compiled a short guide with hints and pitfalls you might want to
know about when dealing with Emacs and its packages. As I am wrangling
with it for six months now as developer and some more as user I not
necessearily remember all problems I faced. So feedback is really
welcome, either about mistakes, unclear wording or even left-out
information you regard as important. Don't hesitate to write us an
email or file a bug, we usually listen (when not drunk or sleeping).

We try to deepen the cooperation with the XEmacs team (hi Hans). As
several people already mentioned, we are all together in one
sub-project of Lisp, and also now sharing the same overlay, though
XEmacs hasn't added anything yet. A goal is to provide (to be made)
app-xemacs/ebuild-mode from the same codebase as app-emacs/ebuild-mode.

V-Li



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Intentions to remove mail-client/muttng from the tree

2007-05-26 Thread Wernfried Haas
I think the most important patch is the side bar, which is also
available in mutt (thanks so much ferdy) :-)

cheers,
Wernfried

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Intentions to remove mail-client/muttng from the tree

2007-05-26 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 02:51:39PM +0200, Lars Weiler wrote:
> * Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07/05/26 10:52 +0200]:
> > Please speak up now if there are major reasons to keep muttng in the
> > tree, despite being unmaintained and out of date.
> 
> I'm okay with removing muttng from the tree.  Some weeks ago
> I tested the old mutt again, but unfortunately not all
> patches work the same like in muttng.  Especially the
> sidebar-patch which made my life easier.

Just FYI the sidebar-patch is going to be taken out of the Gentoo's
mutt-patchset. It is going to get a USE flag for itself and it is going
to be either sidebar or rest of the patches.

This is because of bug #174080. Upstream claims 'it is a configuration
problem' and I claim that the sidebar patch is braindamaged and so it is
going the way of the dodo. Since people seem to use it anyway, you'll be
able to use it with USE=sidebar in the next mutt's release.

- ferdy

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Intentions to remove mail-client/muttng from the tree

2007-05-26 Thread Lars Weiler
* Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07/05/26 10:52 +0200]:
> Please speak up now if there are major reasons to keep muttng in the
> tree, despite being unmaintained and out of date.

I'm okay with removing muttng from the tree.  Some weeks ago
I tested the old mutt again, but unfortunately not all
patches work the same like in muttng.  Especially the
sidebar-patch which made my life easier.

But it seems the project is really dead.  Last mail on their
list is months old and the latest commit almost a year ago.
It's easy to convert back your config-files to mutt, but
avoid the rare pitfalls ;-)

Regards, Lars

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[gentoo-dev] Intentions to remove mail-client/muttng from the tree

2007-05-26 Thread Fabian Groffen
Hi all,

mail-client/muttng currently sits in the tree as some sort of orphan.
It used to be a fork of Mutt, having many patches applied, features
added and code cleaned up.  However, at a certain point the project
died, one of the main developers went back to Mutt and applied his
patches there.  Currently most of these patches are applied in Mutt's
sources, or patches have been made to work with Mutt.  Some have even
improved a lot (e.g. SMTP support is native in Mutt, while it uses
libesmtp in muttng).

Current state of muttng is a bit vague.  It tries to be a collection of
patches against the latest development version of Mutt.  However, since
the latest svn release of muttng, I have never updated the package, as I
don't really know what can or should be released from it.  The result is
IMO bitrot, and bugs/security holes are not fixed.  Additionally, Mutt
seems to have superceeded muttng by now.

For this reason I would like to drop muttng from the tree (in a normal
procedure, of course).  I know at least one Gentoo (Security) dev seems
to use muttng instead of mutt currently.  If someone knows how life for
muttng should continue, feel free to take over the package.  If you are
using muttng now, consider moving to the latest Mutt.

Please speak up now if there are major reasons to keep muttng in the
tree, despite being unmaintained and out of date.

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