[gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread Steve Long
Jan Kundrát wrote:
 I nominate Wernfried Haas (amne). Based on a thorough and detailed
 review of Gentoo state-of-affair that we did together over several beers
 some time ago when he was at Prague, I'm sure he's one of the best
 candidates for the human, caring part of the Council.
 
I second that, simply because his teams do such a good job. I have felt
unfairly treated, I admit, but I'd rather they were too tight than too lax.
And a cooling off is refreshing! Amne has always handled the situation
professionally when things were tense, and has always seemed chilled at
other times.

Dunno about this cz conspiracy tho.. heh no-one will vote for him now ;)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Marcus 'cryos' Hanwell's talk about Gentoo and KDE at aKademy 2007

2007-07-04 Thread Marcus D. Hanwell
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 22:19:10 Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
 Marcus cryos Hanwell gave a talk on Gentoo and KDE on Sunday at aKademy
 2007.

 Marcus presented the current state of KDE in Gentoo, our current headaches
 and questions as well as what we hope for or expect for the future.

 I rarely enjoy taped presentations but this one was entertaining *and*
 interesting as he changed the slides he had sent to the KDE herd before
 in the last minute, it seems. And only for the better. :-)

I thought I had just made some small adjustments - can't remember now.

 Marcus, no need to worry about your talk being preserved for eternity on
 the net - personally, I really liked it and think you did very well. So
 I'll be sure to keep my copy. :-)
 I would like to thank you very much for doing it.

 You'll find the recording of Marcus' talk at
 http://akademy2007.kde.org/conference/programme.php

I have emailed my slides and put them up myself for the impatient. I have made 
a blog post on my talk which also contains links to the slides and the video.

http://blog.cryos.net/archives/146-Gentoo-KDE-Talk-at-aKademy.html

I think it was really productive and I am still there right now. There is a 
lot of interest among KDE developers in Gentoo. I am here until Sunday - 
hopefully I will get a little more coding done now.

Come see us in London if you can make it.

Thanks,

Marcus


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Re: [gentoo-dev] package with funny licence

2007-07-04 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 03:01:52 Jeroen Roovers wrote:
 On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:21:12 +0200

 Ulrich Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Today I stumbled over a package that has the following funny licence
  in its file headers:
 
  ;; Bozoup(P) 1995 The Bozo(tic) Softwar(e) Founda(t)ion, Inc.
  ;; See the BOZO Antipasto for further information.
  ;; If this is useful to you, may you forever be blessed by the Holy
  Lord ;; Patty.  ATT you will.

 That's not a license, it's a copyright notice with added fluff.

  The package was marked as GPL-2 but I think this does not really hit
  the spot. ;-)

 If I were you, I would ask the author and not simply label it as-is.
 GPL-2 it definitely isn't.

The whole license is especially completely unintelligeable. Is one actually 
allowed to distribute/modify/use the software at all? It is probably best to 
dump the package.

Paul
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] new dep list (useful just for cross stuff)

2007-07-04 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:12:02 Olivier Crête wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-29-06 at 09:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
  Paul de Vrieze wrote:
   There are various problems that need to be addressed for cross
   development and (especially) multilib/abi. One of the other ones that
   you didn't mention is some kind of subpackage support. For example when
   one installs 32 bit gtk+ to use binary firefox on an 64bit system it
   can share the headers and docs etc. with the 64 bit version. Removing
   either of them must however still preserve those files.
 
  A quick and dirty way implies that:
  - only the main abi can install stuff /usr/

 The secondary need to be able to install into their /usr/${libdir} ..
 its actually the only place where stuff from the non-main abis should be
 imho.

If one requires synchronized versions, there should in 99% of the cases not be 
any issue with header files and documentation. It will be equal, so can be 
shared. It might indeed be an option to require the main abi to be always 
present.

Paul
ps. for include headers it is rather straightforward to make forwarding 
headers with architecture dependent redirects (using the architecture 
defines) in case the headers are not arch independent.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: package with funny licence

2007-07-04 Thread Steve Long
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
  ;; Bozoup(P) 1995 The Bozo(tic) Softwar(e) Founda(t)ion, Inc.
  ;; See the BOZO Antipasto for further information.
  ;; If this is useful to you, may you forever be blessed by the Holy
  Lord ;; Patty.  ATT you will.

 That's not a license, it's a copyright notice with added fluff.

  The package was marked as GPL-2 but I think this does not really hit
  the spot. ;-)

 If I were you, I would ask the author and not simply label it as-is.
 GPL-2 it definitely isn't.
 
 The whole license is especially completely unintelligeable. Is one
 actually allowed to distribute/modify/use the software at all? It is
 probably best to dump the package.
 
It doesn't seem like a license to me at all, since it has nothing but
declaratory statements. It maybe be Published by some group, but they seem
to make no restrictions whatsoever. As such, I'd personally feel quite
happy using it as-is; I don't think they much care either way :-)

May G bless you all..


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] new dep list (useful just for cross stuff)

2007-07-04 Thread Olivier Crête
On Wed, 2007-04-07 at 22:11 +1000, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
 On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:12:02 Olivier Crête wrote:
  On Fri, 2007-29-06 at 09:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
   Paul de Vrieze wrote:
There are various problems that need to be addressed for cross
development and (especially) multilib/abi. One of the other ones that
you didn't mention is some kind of subpackage support. For example when
one installs 32 bit gtk+ to use binary firefox on an 64bit system it
can share the headers and docs etc. with the 64 bit version. Removing
either of them must however still preserve those files.
  
   A quick and dirty way implies that:
   - only the main abi can install stuff /usr/
 
  The secondary need to be able to install into their /usr/${libdir} ..
  its actually the only place where stuff from the non-main abis should be
  imho.
 
 If one requires synchronized versions, there should in 99% of the cases not 
 be 
 any issue with header files and documentation. It will be equal, so can be 
 shared. It might indeed be an option to require the main abi to be always 
 present.

I really don't see how it can be made to work in a generic wait without
requiring that all sub-arches use the same version as the main arch and
without requiring that the main arch be installed (if we were a binary
distro, we could do a common package and a bunch of sub-packages, but
now we can't).

 Paul
 ps. for include headers it is rather straightforward to make forwarding 
 headers with architecture dependent redirects (using the architecture 
 defines) in case the headers are not arch independent.

In theory, headers in /usr/include should be arch independant. You if
you at glib, it installs its arch dependant header in /usr/lib

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread George Prowse

Torsten Veller wrote:

Let me paste last year's mail:

| well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people 
| for the next Gentoo Council
| 
| for the quick low down:

|  - nominations are from July 1 through July 31
|  - anyone can nominate
|  - only Gentoo devs may be nominated
| 
| so get with the nominating people !
| 
| for the full details, check out the Council homepage:

| http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/#doc_chap6

Have fun and good luck :)


I nominate

wolf31o2
Uberlord
tomk
Johnm
amne
welp
nightmorph
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread José Luis Rivero (yoswink)

Hi all:

Torsten Veller escribió:

Let me paste last year's mail:

| well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people 
| for the next Gentoo Council
| 
| for the quick low down:

|  - nominations are from July 1 through July 31
|  - anyone can nominate
|  - only Gentoo devs may be nominated
| 
| so get with the nominating people !
| 
| for the full details, check out the Council homepage:

| http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/#doc_chap6



I've just rescued the xml we used the last year and update the current 
nominations. The list is in:


http://dev.gentoo.org/~yoswink/council-2007.xml

I will try to update it often, but please, tell me if I miss something 
or if there is some error.


Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread Petteri Räty
José Luis Rivero (yoswink) kirjoitti:
 I've just rescued the xml we used the last year and update the current
 nominations. The list is in:
 
 http://dev.gentoo.org/~yoswink/council-2007.xml
 
 I will try to update it often, but please, tell me if I miss something
 or if there is some error.
 

How is being a devrel member important for the table? I don't think it's
any more special than any other TLP.

Regards,
Petteri



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread Raúl Porcel
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[gentoo-dev] Last rite: app-text/yodl

2007-07-04 Thread Samuli Suominen
# Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (04 Jul 2007)
# For treecleaners, bug 182937. Replaced by texinfo.
# Upstream is gone and it breaks with Python 2.5.
# Masked for removal in 60 days.
app-text/yodl

Hrr. Quite a few deprecations in p.mask by me and not a single
objection yet, weird. :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 03:10:10PM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
  I nominate Wernfried Haas (amne). Based on a thorough and detailed review of 
  Gentoo state-of-affair that we did together over several beers some time ago 
  when he was at Prague, I'm sure he's one of the best candidates for the 
  human, caring part of the Council.

Thanks Jan and others for the nomination. Once again this proves that
beer solves all promblems. ;-)
Until now I haven't had time to actually think about accepting it, but
i hope everything around me calms down a bit in the next days.
In any way i feel flattered by the trust put in me by some of the
folks here - thanks.

  Anyone pointing out at any old dirty laundry concerning Wernfried will be 
  slapped to death with an empty beer pint. This is no assault, but rather a 
  simple matter of fact.

Alternatively, we could just get a refill. :-)

cheers,
Wernfried

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread Peter Weller
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:50:51 +0200
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Inotify and (f)crontabs

2007-07-04 Thread Ryan Reich

On 7/1/07, Daniel Schömer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi!

Ryan Reich wrote:
  On 7/1/07, Daniel Schömer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 $ sudo fcrontab -l systab
 [...]
 %hourly  0-30  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
 %daily   * *   run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
 [...]



 Less ambiguously a bug, though, is that the syslog will only
 record running run-parts and not which parts were run).

Would it be sufficient to let this also be done by run-parts?
Then there would be records of fcron starting run-parts and
records of run-parts starting each script.


That works of course, though if you're at the point of modifying
run-parts you might as well modify the crontabs setup.  I mean, having
run-parts do the logging is silly since fcron already has a logging
capability, and since the only point of using run-parts is to assist
fcron.  Otherwise you're just creating further unnecessary complexity.


 Have you any thoughts on what to do with check_system_crontabs?
 Its schedule is inherently reactive and not periodic, so
 really, administering it with (f)cron at all is a logical
 error.  That's why I suggested inotify in the first place.

I must say, I can't remember that I've seen check_system_crontabs
on my desktop; maybe I just suppressed it :-).  Now that I think
of it, I'm remembering an elog message from the fcron ebuild
telling me to use the fcrontab systab for system-wide jobs
instead of /etc/{f,}crontab.

Using inotify sounds more logical for me than using (f)cron for
this.


If there's interest in incorporating this, I wouldn't mind testing my
idea.  Once I get past the initial resistance to doing anything at
all, it's probably two minutes' compilation time plus two more writing
the config files to set up.

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[gentoo-dev] New Linux-PAM stabling plans

2007-07-04 Thread Ned Ludd
Forwarded by request of somebody thats smart/lucky enough to not 
be on this list but still monitoring it.

 Forwarded Message 
From: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Linux-PAM stabling plans
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0200

Hi everybody; sorry to mail here rather than -dev, but I'm not
subscribed to it and I have no intention to subscribe in the next
future. Please forward a copy of this message to gentoo-dev if you can
and want, thanks.

Since while I was gone nobody took care of PAM, I had to resume work on
it (sigh), and almost at the same time I got reported that PAM 0.78
doesn't allow to set some limits in limits.conf to unlimited value.
This is a good enough reason to work actively on marking 0.99 stable.

Unfortunately, 0.99 upgrade isn't entirely trivial, as pam_stack.so is
gone, pam_userdb is moved and so is pam_console, plus a few more
modules are no more present at all.

To solve this issue, I just wrote an upgrade guide in the PAM project
that will appear soon at [1]. That guide should contain all the
information needed to pass through the upgrade easily.

I also have an ebuild ready to commit that will make a lot of warnings
and various noise when the pam.d file in the system still refers to the
removed packages, pointing to the upgrade guide. It also dies if the
user still has pam_stack or other modules that are not moved but really
not available. (I'm still not sure where I should die: pkg_setup would
stop users from building pkgs, pkg_preinst would waste people time if
they didn't notice the warnings at setup stage, as right now the
warnings are printed in both, and preinst dies).

I'd really like comments on the guide (that still has to pass through
an editor -- Josh would you mind? :) -- so please skip grammar check
for now ;) ), so that I can address whatever is needed.

Now, I could ask stabilization even right now, but, I'm not sure how to
convey enough focus on what is going to happen. I'll write about this
on Planet for sure, but then? Is GLEP42 ready? Should I ask PR people
to publish this?

Anyway, I'll at least give it a week or two for more testing and for
proofreading the guide; developers are invited to try the upgrade on
their (non-production first) machines, and report immediately any
problem with the procedure.

Sorry for the delay to get a decent PAM working, thanks for waiting.

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/pam/upgrade-0.99.xml

Diego Flameeyes Pettenò
http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-04 Thread Vlastimil Babka
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Re: [gentoo-dev] package with funny licence

2007-07-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:02:31 +1000
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The whole license is especially completely unintelligeable. Is one
 actually allowed to distribute/modify/use the software at all? It is
 probably best to dump the package.

1) Again, it's not a license. It's a copyright notice with a couple
of jokes attached. It contains no statement granting anyone anything
with regard to the copyright of the materials it is attached to. Ask
your lawyer.

2) Ulrich didn't mention a category/package or that said package is
in the tree already, so there probably isn't anything to dump at this
stage.

3) Why go overboard and be all negative like that (as to suggest dumping
the package)? Asking the copyright owner of the package is probably the
best thing to do even if you do not intend to distribute the
copyrighted materials and just want to know where you legally stand,
*regardless* of whether the package is in the tree or not.


Kind regards,
 JeR
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: package with funny licence

2007-07-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:28:04 +0100
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It maybe be Published by some group, but they seem to make no
 restrictions whatsoever. As such, I'd personally feel quite happy
 using it as-is; I don't think they much care either way :-)

Hmmm. A license is *needed* as long as modifying/distributing the
package is restricted by copyright. The as-is license specifically
grants you the right to use the software it pertains to. Without an
explicit license, you may not (ever) modify or distribute it. You would
need to obtain permission from the copyright owner in that case -
otherwise the normal copyright restrictions are in effect.

Again, to ask the copyright owner for a simple (written) statement
saying how the software may be (freely or not) distributed and modified
is currently the next step.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Linux-PAM stabling plans

2007-07-04 Thread Josh Saddler
Ned Ludd wrote:
 Forwarded by request of somebody thats smart/lucky enough to not 
 be on this list but still monitoring it.
 
  Forwarded Message 
 From: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: New Linux-PAM stabling plans
 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0200
 I'd really like comments on the guide (that still has to pass through
 an editor -- Josh would you mind? :) -- so please skip grammar check
 for now ;) ), so that I can address whatever is needed.

Nope, I don't mind at all. I edited it for grammar, spelling, English,
and GuideXML coding style. (No content changes.) Fixed in CVS!



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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Linux-PAM stabling plans

2007-07-04 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:07:39 -0700
Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Forwarded by request of somebody thats smart/lucky enough to not 
 be on this list but still monitoring it.
 
  Forwarded Message 
 From: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: New Linux-PAM stabling plans
 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0200

 Now, I could ask stabilization even right now, but, I'm not sure how
 to convey enough focus on what is going to happen. I'll write about
 this on Planet for sure, but then? Is GLEP42 ready? Should I ask PR
 people to publish this?

Glep 42 is still waiting for some eselect people to take care of bug
179064.

Marius

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