Re: [gentoo-dev] Commitlog-mailinglist

2007-08-07 Thread Lars Weiler
* Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07/08/06 19:20 +0300]: Well perhaps we should just look at the overall usage of the mail box instead of how it's used. I think there is already some limit in our policy for how big you can keep your mailbox. Last night some of us infra-folk had a chat in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commitlog-mailinglist

2007-08-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 08:28 Tue 07 Aug , Lars Weiler wrote: Last night some of us infra-folk had a chat in #gentoo-infra about this commitlog-mailinglist. solar stated that the ammount of messages in the dev-mailboxes was the reason to shut down that list some years ago (I have to fetch my archives to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commitlog-mailinglist

2007-08-07 Thread Ned Ludd
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 08:28 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: * Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07/08/06 19:20 +0300]: Well perhaps we should just look at the overall usage of the mail box instead of how it's used. I think there is already some limit in our policy for how big you can keep your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commitlog-mailinglist

2007-08-07 Thread Rémi Cardona
Ned Ludd a écrit : I was alluding to more of it being a resource pig.. Which it is of course. Could it be done like mailman's Digest mail? With one mail every half hour (or 15 minutes, whatever) instead of every single commit? Wouldn't that help both load and storage on woodpecker? We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 20:23 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: we're not talking developers, we're talking users. Nope, because the point of the die is for the developer to catch it during testing. Before commit to tree, so the user never has a chance to experience it. it's inappropriate for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commitlog-mailinglist

2007-08-07 Thread Lars Weiler
* Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07/08/06 23:57 -0700]: Hadn't heard that. The list disappeared with no explanation that I recall. It worked at the end of 2003. So it must have survived the move to lark… But I can't find any announcement about shutting down the list. If that's the way

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 20:23 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: we're not talking developers, we're talking users. Nope, because the point of the die is for the developer to catch it during testing. Before commit to tree, so the user never

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Richard Brown
On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it -mike You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A dev to install a package they're bumping? Surely everyone does that before they call echangelog and repoman? -- Richard Brown

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Hooks are gone from java eclasses

2007-08-07 Thread Petteri Räty
Steve Long kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: Steve Long kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163262 What is the situation regarding the hooks in general? A user feature as said in the bug. What, you mean the bit I quoted? I am well aware it's a user feature,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Petteri Räty
Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: On Monday 06 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: On Saturday 04 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: Vlastimil Babka wrote: dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before commiting a bump, IMHO

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Petteri Räty
Ryan Hill kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: Vlastimil Babka wrote: dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before commiting a bump, IMHO Sorry, I didn't realize my 3 hour compile of $APPLICATION should die because TODO wasn't around. Vote

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Richard Brown wrote: On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A dev to install a package they're bumping? you cant tell me the build experience a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Michael Cummings
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:36:23AM +0100, Richard Brown wrote: On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it -mike You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A dev to install a package they're bumping? Surely everyone

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Duncan
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:23:11 -0400: we're not talking developers, we're talking users. it's inappropriate for a user to have spent significant time compiling a package only to have it fail because TODO does not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:09:34 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: arch-specific patches are almost always wrong. The last thing people need is to come along and find some arch developer has applied a bad arch-specific patch without asking first... Thing is,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 05:38:25 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Richard Brown wrote: On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Richard Freeman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I'm saying that there are plenty of past occurrences of arch teams applying arch-specific patches that were either outright wrong or really required on all archs. Most arch developers aren't familiar with the source of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:14:17 -0400 Richard Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the patches are conditional then nobody else is affected anyway. And that's the issue -- this claim is incorrect. With conditional patching everyone is affected. A common example used to be selinux patches that were

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Rémi Cardona
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:14:17 -0400 Richard Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the patches are conditional then nobody else is affected anyway. And that's the issue -- this claim is incorrect. With conditional patching everyone is affected. A common example used to be

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new gnustep eclasses

2007-08-07 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Bernard Cafarelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Feedback, comments, suggestions, other ideas are welcome! As a GNUstep non-user, I am not really competent to comment on it...but here a small diff. V-Li --- gnustep-base.eclass 2007-08-07 20:43:00.0 +0200 +++ gnustep-base.eclass.new

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new gnustep eclasses

2007-08-07 Thread federico ferri
Bernard Cafarelli ha scritto: Hello all, hi that's a cool project you are working on! I wish I could contribute actively in the future Feedback, comments, suggestions, other ideas are welcome! right now I found a problem (I wonder if it happens on others too) about