Samuli Suominen wrote:
Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:09:24 -0700
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 11:49 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
thirty days is the norm for the minimal period between an ebuilds
last
It is the norm. It is not a requirement. In fact, it is
Tiziano Müller wrote:
What do the new ebuilds offer:
a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
WRONG we aren't debian.
we have a nice use for documentation...
Now, I know that
splitting up packages isn't the Gentoo way. I know we could have done it
using USE flags but this
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While you are almost certainly correct on POSIX/Unix filenames and the
shell won't accept / in a filename, IIRC (from reading) it's often
possible for C programs to code a literal / in a filename, and possible
for some
* Tiziano Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi,
Since my blog doesn't get syndicated on planet.gentoo.org I'm posting the
entry here again, but it's probably a good idea anyway:
Actually, I'd clearly prefer lists like this one for those discussions.
Blogs are okay for writing journal articles
Wednesday, 16 of April 2008 11:07:20 Mateusz A. Mierzwiński wrote:
Markus Rothe pisze:
Mateusz A. Mierzwiński wrote:
Yes, You have right but I have thinking about something like OPTION for
emerge or switch to enable that function. Emerge could provide two
options of working - with replace
* Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Tiziano Müller wrote:
What do the new ebuilds offer:
a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
WRONG we aren't debian.
It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
Sounds quite religions to me. I don't like religions interfering with
* Tiziano Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
WRONG we aren't debian.
This is why we decided not to split out headers, clients and contrib.
Actually, I'd like to see them all split out. But this sooner or
later requires the upstream (or an intermediate layer, like OSS-QM)
to support this -
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Tiziano Müller wrote:
What do the new ebuilds offer:
a) A split into dev-db/postgresql-{base,server,docs}.
WRONG we aren't debian.
It's bad, just because Debian
* Tiziano Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
While the dump command can read clusters created by an older version it is
still necessary to dump and reload your data on version bumps between major
versions as written in
That's the point where MVCC is needed, at least for critical
applications
* Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's.
Still too religious ;-P
Would be different if you'd said we don't need to split since we
have useflags or we want to stay as near to
2.6.25 was released today, gentoo-sources-2.6.25 is now in portage.
As usual this will break some packages in the portage tree (ones that
include kernel code), the tracker for such issues is here:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218127
Jakub normally does a wonderful job of herding all
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's.
Still too religious ;-P
Of course, that's your opinion
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:17 +0300
Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
Vlastimil Babka [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his
reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarifications?
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:33:17 +0300
Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It works. Do it.
Oh by the way. This isn't directed toward you personally, but I
personally detest this do it attitude. You wouldn't say that to my
face, would you? (Trust me, you would regret it.) :)
JeR
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* Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Would be different if you'd said we don't need to split since we
have useflags or we want to stay as near to upstream as possible
instead of we're not debian. Being different, just to be
different is really too pubertal for me ;-o
The
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split
since the doc USE flag is
On Mittwoch, 16. April 2008, Tiziano Müller wrote:
While the dump command can read clusters created by an older version it is
still necessary to dump and reload your data on version bumps between major
versions [...
Of course. I didn't question the dump and reload cycle. Just saying you have
* Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
A slight tweak that you may have already considered: a single package is
split into multiple packages with a metabuild (named the same as the
original single package) in a newer version -- for example, modularized
X.
hmm, let's just thing
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
Vlastimil Babka [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his
reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarifications?
It
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split
since the doc USE flag is for this use-case, and I see no reason why
not to use it.
Just stick a USE=doc on -base and be done
* Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often
*built* from the source code, or it's source is included with the
package source code and docs are generated at compile-time.
ACK. But we first should define what's just
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Nirbheek Chauhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often
*built* from the source code, or it's source is included with the
package source code and docs are
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi,
Hi Enrico, long time no see!
b) Marking that two related implementations are mutually incompatible at
runtime because they both provide the same binary.
Classical example: MTA's:
Traditionally they tend to provide an
Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Bernd Steinhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi,
e) A package needs a newer version of another package, but doesn't depend
on it.
This was the case with KDE4. kdelibs-4.0.x block these packages:
!kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6
!kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.7-r1
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 09:40:22PM +0200, Santiago M. Mola wrote:
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200
Vlastimil Babka [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his
Rémi Cardona [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:49:23 +0200:
Duncan a écrit :
Whatever your faults, you /do/
tend to be quite accurate on such things.
Wow, you've managed to turn a nice technical discussion (which is rare
enough in recent
Santiago M. Mola [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:51:32 +0200:
If that's possible, we shouldn't support it anyway. If someone wants to
use /var/tmp/port\/age we'll just stab him, if someone releases a
tarball with such filenames we'll stab
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 17 Apr 2008
21:51:45 +0200:
I don't know very much about KDE stuff, since I got rid of it for a long
time, but IMHO it seems there's an principle problem on the install
layout - 3.x and 4.x should be
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