Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags vs. categories (was: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scip)
Alec Warner wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: I actually object to having crap in dev-python, because things should be categorized functionally instead of by the language they're implemented in. 90% of the time you don't care about the language. But category moves are pretty much pointless, so I don't normally bring it up. Do you mean it is pointless because categories are pointless, or because it is not worth the trouble of doing the move? I assume we inherited the category idea from fbsd ports. It is pointless because we should probably have tags; not categories. It is akin to the Section[1] header in a debian control file. [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections Tags instead of categories . . . Now here's a very interesting idea, indeed. Has there ever been a proposal like this for Gentoo? I think we could improve on the Debian way of doing (sub)sections And I think that a good system of tags would do better than most distros which have a fairly limited set of arbitrary categories (like desktop, system, utils; who knows what the heck those last two mean, anyway?) But blog-style multiple tags might be very, very nice, if we could agree on a set of tags to use, without trapping ourselves into some of the weirder categorization used by other distros, like Slackware's arcane alphabetic system. Tags . . . I like the idea. I like it a lot. Thoughts? Exciting? Or is it an old issue, and I'm 5 years late to the party. :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'epkgmove' invokes bad memories for many ;) Thanks for ruining the few hours of sleep I'll get in the next days by bringing that name up... J/K -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ pgpr7bNm44sJj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags vs. categories (was: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scip)
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tags instead of categories . . . Now here's a very interesting idea, indeed. Has there ever been a proposal like this for Gentoo? Tags . . . I like the idea. I like it a lot. Thoughts? Exciting? Or is it an old issue, and I'm 5 years late to the party. :) Exherbo will change its category system at some point. There has been some discussion about it which may be interesting for people thinking about possible replacements in Gentoo: http://lists.exherbo.org/pipermail/exherbo-dev/2008-May/000149.html There was similar discussions in @g-dev but I'm too lazy to start serching the relevant threads. Best regards, -- Santiago M. Mola Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 2.5
Hi, Hey! dev-lang/python 2.5 is going stable with arches cced on URL:http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178800. File your stabilisation requests that were postponed because of Python 2.5 in testing and make it block above bug. Please test a lot and at least report for x86 on stable machines (including upgrade path) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Thanks! I have filed a bug to get a newer version of python-updater stable too so people will experience fewer problems during the upgrade. -- Regards, Ali Polatel
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: 0-day bump requests
Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:10:14 -0400 Jim Ramsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an interesting solution for those who find it annoying though: Just file your own 0-day bump request in bugzilla. In theory some users would find this and just CC themselves on it. Other users could be shushed with the shame of the DUPLICATE. Everyone wins! I try to do this whenever there's some reason why I can't add a package right away. I also don't see the point of yelling at someone for trying to help in whatever way they can, even if that's in the form of a poke when a new version is released. I wonder if a special Version Bump template for bugzilla could be a useful thing to make this easier for both users and devs? -- Jim Ramsay Gentoo Developer (rox/fluxbox/gkrellm) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
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Joe Peterson wrote:
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I meant moves were largely pointless, although categories are to a
lesser extent. Tags would be a lot better, since nothing can be
categorized perfectly into a single place.
Yes, I can see the benefit of a tag paradigm. I, myself, find it more
trouble than benefit to have the extra directory level. I often do cd
/usr/portage/*/foo to get to the foo package, and it often gets a hit
in licenses or elsewhere that trips up this practice...
I don't think it's worth losing track of the CVS history just so we can
have something in a different place that ultimately is hardly useful to
anyone.
Ah yes, CVS would present a problem here. I suppose if/when the whole
tree is converted to svn, at that point moves would be more practical.
I suppose you mean git. Since it tracks content and not files, moves are
trivial. Git actually finds your moves for you, after you've moved content
around; such as when doing a bump.
Too bad, though, that this has become a barrier to the ability to change
a category easily and without losing the history.
-Joe
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Re: [gentoo-dev] sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: I suppose you mean git. Since it tracks content and not files, moves are trivial. Git actually finds your moves for you, after you've moved content around; such as when doing a bump. Even better! -Joe -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:34:46 +0200 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose you mean git. Since it tracks content and not files, moves are trivial. Git actually finds your moves for you, after you've moved content around; such as when doing a bump. Ever tried git on an ebuild repository? Ebuilds are sufficiently similar to each other that it quite often gets this horribly wrong. And to make matters worse, there's no way of overriding it when it does. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: [OT] ecd function
On 08-07-2008 19:59:05 +0200, Robert Buchholz wrote:
You can avoid the issue with the license directory by appending a / at
the end. Grobian showed me that a function is useful for this, I just
do ecd xorg-server
$ grep -A 3 ecd ~/.bashrc
function ecd () {
cd ~/devel/gentoo/gentoo-x86/*/$@/
}
errr, just because my name is involved...
% alias ecd
cd $EPREFIX/usr/portage/*-*/!*
I have it as alias, not as function. If you have a function you can
(and should) actually do more magic, like:
ecd() {
[[ -z $1 ]] return
p=( $(echo /usr/portage/*/$1) )
if [[ ${p[*]} == */*/* ]] ; then
echo no such package: $1 /dev/stderr
elif [[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 ]] ; then
echo multiple options: ${p[*]}
else
# we can't handle spaces in the paths here anyway
cd ${p[*]}
fi
}
And probably this can be done even better with respect to the glob...
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in www-client/opera: ChangeLog opera-9.51.ebuild
Hi,
Jeroen Roovers (jer) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
jer 08/07/08 20:13:43
Modified: ChangeLog opera-9.51.ebuild
Log:
Use globbing instead of hardcoded $S.
(Portage version: 2.2_rc1/cvs/Linux 2.6.24-gentoo-r2-JeR i686)
[...]
- epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PN}-9.00-install.patch
+ epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PN}-9.00-install.patch || \
+ die failed to apply install patch
epatch dies on its own, so no need for all the die statements in this
ebuild.
V-Li
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[gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:37 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's worth losing track of the CVS history just so we can have something in a different place that ultimately is hardly useful to anyone. Maybe it's time to test the feasibility of moving to SVN again? What were the blockers last time? -- gcc-porting, by design, by neglect treecleaner, for a fact or just for effect wxwidgets @ gentoo EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in www-client/opera: ChangeLog opera-9.51.ebuild
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:18:06 +0200
Christian Faulhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PN}-9.00-install.patch
+ epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PN}-9.00-install.patch || \
+ die failed to apply install patch
epatch dies on its own, so no need for all the die statements in this
ebuild.
True. Fixed.
Kind regards,
JeR
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
On 19:14 Tue 08 Jul , Ryan Hill wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:37 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's worth losing track of the CVS history just so we can have something in a different place that ultimately is hardly useful to anyone. Maybe it's time to test the feasibility of moving to SVN again? What were the blockers last time? The blocker was that it wasn't distributed or offline, and there's not enough benefit to move to it when such better ones exist now. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com pgp0NqyNQPfRL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags vs. categories (was: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scip)
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alec Warner wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: I actually object to having crap in dev-python, because things should be categorized functionally instead of by the language they're implemented in. 90% of the time you don't care about the language. But category moves are pretty much pointless, so I don't normally bring it up. Do you mean it is pointless because categories are pointless, or because it is not worth the trouble of doing the move? I assume we inherited the category idea from fbsd ports. It is pointless because we should probably have tags; not categories. It is akin to the Section[1] header in a debian control file. [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections Tags instead of categories . . . Now here's a very interesting idea, indeed. Has there ever been a proposal like this for Gentoo? many times. I think we could improve on the Debian way of doing (sub)sections And I think that a good system of tags would do better than most distros which have a fairly limited set of arbitrary categories (like desktop, system, utils; who knows what the heck those last two mean, anyway?) But blog-style multiple tags might be very, very nice, if we could agree on a set of tags to use, without trapping ourselves into some of the weirder categorization used by other distros, like Slackware's arcane alphabetic system. Tags . . . I like the idea. I like it a lot. Thoughts? Exciting? Or is it an old issue, and I'm 5 years late to the party. :) Probably more than 5... -Alec -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags vs. categories
Tags . . . I like the idea. I like it a lot. Thoughts? Exciting? Or is it an old issue, and I'm 5 years late to the party. :) Probably more than 5... Well, that's not very helpful. Got any links? My archives.g.o-fu has failed me. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy - dev-python/scipy ?
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Ryan Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:37 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it's worth losing track of the CVS history just so we can have something in a different place that ultimately is hardly useful to anyone. Maybe it's time to test the feasibility of moving to SVN again? What were the blockers last time? There weren't any technological blockers other than it's size and slowness. It was felt that we could get to git fairly quickly and git was teh awesome. -Alec -- gcc-porting, by design, by neglect treecleaner, for a fact or just for effect wxwidgets @ gentoo EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
