Re: [gentoo-dev] An official Gentoo wiki

2008-11-13 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:45:32 -0500
 Mark Loeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What are others feelings on this?  What issues do you see with having
  a wiki?  Do you see anyway to resolve the issue you see with us
  having a wiki?
 
 What will policy on articles that are horribly dangerous or outright
 wrong? Is Gentoo prepared to block or warn about articles that recommend
 stupid things? If a warning is used, what will be used to distinguish
 between a generic wiki, not necessarily checked by sane people and a
 article known to be horrible?

Wikipedia started using an extension for marking pages as validated.
See [1]. This would allow us to setup a group of trusted
people (developers, long-time users, well-known contributors - for
example) who would be able to review pages and tag them that way.
Non-reviewed pages could show a header then clearly stating that this
specific page hasn't been reviewed and might contain inaccurate
information.

  Tobias

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for how to handle stable ebuilds

2008-11-13 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Mark Loeser wrote:
 Removing Stable Ebuilds
 
 If an ebuild meets the time criteria above, and there are no technical issues
 preventing stabilization, then the maintainer MAY choose to delete an older
 version even if it is the most recent stable version for a particular arch.

What if this would break deps or it's a very common package for example
belonging to the set of system packages?

If we would opt for such a fixed timeframe for architectures teams to
fix bugs I'd like to rate those bugs at least partially like security@
does - that would allow us to have different timeframes for
stabilization depending on how much the package in questions is
(expected to be) installed at our users' systems. 

In my opinion we would need to address two main concerns with this
discussion:
1) What can we do to help understaffed architecture teams?

What about using a tinderbox (yeah, i know - we have lots of tinderboxes
already around) which automatically (re)builds stable-candidates and
those of the candidates which a) includes a test phase and b) pass that
test phase might be stabled by the maintainer/herd and not only the
architecture team, for example?

2) When do we move an architecture back to ~arch?

We would need to define a threshold of when an stable architecture has
to enter a probation period (and who and what's going to start that
process) and a timeframe after which either the architecture is moved
back to ~arch or the architecture team has proven that it is able to
maintain stable keywords (define who's going to decide this).
  
  Tobias


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-13 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Josh Saddler wrote:
 Long as we're discussing things to punt, here's some stuff to kick out
 of the desktop profile:

and for the server profiles there's

mailwrapper - merely broken, nothing useful at all

  Tobias


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Re: [gentoo-dev] An official Gentoo wiki

2008-11-13 Thread Petteri Räty
Jan Kundrát wrote:
 kashani wrote:
 How easy is it to checkout current GDP docs
 
 Append ?passthru=1 to the end of the URL.
 
 and make changes to them?
 
 I take it you want to make a patch. In such case, edit the file and
 submit the diff via Bugzilla.
 
 Cheers,
 -jkt
 

Or use anoncvs for the gentoo module.

Regards,
Petteri



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Re: [gentoo-dev] [v4] Planning for automatic assignment computation of bugs

2008-11-13 Thread Thilo Bangert
Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:32:44PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
  What if my herd email address is different from my bugzie address?
  Can I have both in herds.xml?  What if my herd address *isn't* a
  bugzie account, will the world end?

 I don't know any herd where the herd email is not the same as the
 bugzie email. Why would this case arise anyway? The mail aliases reside
 on dev, and the duplication doesn't make sense.

the gentopia guys seem to have this annoying scheme: herd email is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] while bugzi account is [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  How can we automatically detect when developers make mistakes in
  editing herds.xml?

 There is a validation CGI in Bugzie, I created it for when somebody (I
 forgot who) was checking all of the metadata and herd emails
 previously, which we should probably automated.

for me. i have started using it today.. thanks!


   1. For handling herdno-herd/herd, we should add an entry into
   herds.xml to catch it (maintainer-needed at g.o). Every herd
   listed in an ebuild MUST be in herds.xml.
 
  You and I both know this is not going to be true.  Complicated
  solution; make Repoman do it.  Certainly it is the 'correct' thing to
  do; however I don't expect it to get implemented or deployed quickly.
  Hacky solution: run script on osprey that tries to validate tree
  metadata against herds.xml and annoy herds who forgot to add
  themselves.

 Yes, automation is useful here.

very few packages do not have a herd; no ebuilds have a wrong herd listed, 
but there are tons of other errors in our metadata...


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[gentoo-dev] Unexpected CVS downtime

2008-11-13 Thread Robin H. Johnson
Hi folks, and apologies, but I've had to take the primary CVS/SVN
services down to investigate some really weird behavior.

The short version:
# cvs up
M ChangeLog
# repoman commit -m '...'
cvs commit: Up-to-date check failed for `ChangeLog'
cvs [commit aborted]: correct above errors first!
!!! Exiting on cvs (shell) error code: 1

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Unexpected CVS downtime

2008-11-13 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 04:59:43PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
 Hi folks, and apologies, but I've had to take the primary CVS/SVN
 services down to investigate some really weird behavior.
Everything is back up now.

I was really confused over this, since fsck on the various volumes all
showed up clean, and then I traced it to a new Repoman bug :-).

Details/bugfix to follow for all devs, but basically you'll have trouble
committing with CVS to both a package directory and the files/ directory
in the same commit in the meantime.

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[gentoo-dev] Repoman patch

2008-11-13 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 07:59:22PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
 Details/bugfix to follow for all devs, but basically you'll have trouble
 committing with CVS to both a package directory and the files/ directory
 in the same commit in the meantime.
Thanks to zmedico, here's the fix for repoman:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/tmp/repoman-commit-file-prefix.patch

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