[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Space savings. Certainly your scheme may be smaller, but the XML tag overhead may eat into the savings. You should do some estimates to show the community how much smaller the tree will be from this proposal. Sorry but you lost me on any point you

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But also the need to replicate http://www.kde.org/ to metadata.xml of all KDE split ebuilds -- right now, this is set by an eclass. The usefulness of this is IMHO debatable; why not just writing it one package (say kde-base/kde or kde-meta) and just there?

[gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Maciej Mrozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - USE=debug is useless when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS or FEATURES are not appropriate What are you saying here? I'm afraid you're mistaken here. For the most part, USE=debug means enable debug code paths, which for lots of projects simply means enable

Re: [gentoo-dev] debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Volkov
В Пнд, 01/12/2008 в 06:16 +0100, Maciej Mrozowski пишет: Currently handling debug/release builds is incoherent and misleading to say the least. We have got in Gentoo: All that parts do their separate and quite a different work so I can't say that it's incoherent (by idea at least). The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Space savings. Certainly your scheme may be smaller, but the XML tag overhead may eat into the savings. You should do some estimates to show the community how much

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That being said I still don't see the usefulness here. You seem to think that using the existing APIs for this data is wrong, and I think the opposite, so I guess we will agree to disagree on this matter. Yeah I still think that there is no point in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 08:04:04 Duncan wrote: Well, so far it's not GLEP, just an idea thrown to brainstorm. As such, neither /etc/portage/env nor eclasses can effectively deal with FEATURES in general, tho there are a few specific exceptions that do happen to be implemented at the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you have a GUI on your system, give this a look: app-portage/elogviewer That should help you a lot. I been using it for a good while and it works pretty well. I do wish it had little flags in the list of packages that have been installed. Sort of a short

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 09:36:12 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: - USE=debug is useless when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS or FEATURES are not appropriate What are you saying here? I'm afraid you're mistaken here. The point is to look at this from users' (well, a bit) point of view - USE=debug

[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for December

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for December

2008-12-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On 01 Dec 2008 05:30:01 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Please give the OK on the following, assuming no objections crop up before

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-12-01 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting the bot out there - If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that

Re: [gentoo-dev] debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:39:35 +0300 Peter Volkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This leads me to different conclusion. I was thinking about new portage feature: emerge --info pkg . So to make portage show not only global information but per-package either. In many cases this will simplify analyzing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 08:04:04 Duncan wrote: (Of course, if it's the latter, it will need to be an official GLEP, and you'll have three separate package managers and their developers to push the proposal thru to at least to general agreement, or the council will almost certainly

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Summarizing from what I've read in this thread it seems you want to find a way to help user find information s/he doesn't look for. If users aren't curious about their system they will sure have a hard time figuring out how to fix it if needs be. PORTAGE_ELOG_* isn't really that hard to find in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Joe Peterson
Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: As others have said, there are already proper systems, documentation and linking through other docs. Not finding this is what I'd call lazyness or lack of google foo. Don't misunderstand me, some stuff can get ouf of the radar of everyone, it's ok, real people are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:35:32 -0700 Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My intention with the RFC was to see if the concept has any worth and to kick it around a bit. I do not really see this as a deficiency in Gentoo's technology (which I have a feeling is how many here have interpreted

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Emma Strubell
I completely forgot about Google's Summer of Code! Thanks for reminding me. Hopefully I won't forget again by the time summer rolls around, obviously I wouldn't mind getting a little extra money for doing something I'd do for free anyway. On a more related note: What, exactly, does porttree.py

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emma Strubell wrote: I completely forgot about Google's Summer of Code! Thanks for reminding me. Hopefully I won't forget again by the time summer rolls around, obviously I wouldn't mind getting a little extra money for doing something I'd do for

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Emma Strubell
Thanks for the clarification. I was planning on forcing an update of the index as a part of emerge --sync, and implementing a command that would update the search index (leaving it up to the user to update after making any manual changes to the portage tree). That way the search index should

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Tambet
I would suggest a different way of updates. When you manually change portage tree, you have to make an overlay. Overlay, as it's updated and managed by human being, will be always small (unless someone makes a script, which creates million overlay updates, but I dont think it would be efficient

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Emma Strubell
Good point. I may just ignore overlays completely because 1) I don't use them and 2) does anyone really need to search an overlay anyway? aren't any packages added via an overlay added deliberately? On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Tambet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest a different way

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emma Strubell schrieb: 2) does anyone really need to search an overlay anyway? Of course. Take large (semi-)official overlays like sunrise. They can easily be seen as a second portage tree. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Time to say goodbye

2008-12-01 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 16:19 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: So, time has come for me to realize that my time with Gentoo is over. I haven't actually been doing much Gentoo work over the last months due to personal reasons (nothing Gentoo related), and I don't see that situation changing in the

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Tambet
2008/12/2 Emma Strubell [EMAIL PROTECTED] True, true. Like I said, I don't really use overlays, so excuse my igonrance. Do you know an order of doing things: Rules of Optimization: - Rule 1: Don't do it. - Rule 2 (for experts only): Don't do it yet. What this actually means -

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: search functionality in emerge

2008-12-01 Thread Emma Strubell
yes, yes, i know, you're right :] and thanks a bunch for the outline! about the compression, I agree that it would be a good idea, but I don't know how to implement it. not that it would be difficult... I'm guessing there's a gzip module for python that would make it pretty straightforward? I