[gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Duncan
Gordon Malm gen...@gentoo.org posted 200903091617.48682.gen...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:17:48 -0700: There is an important security aspect to retiring folks - commit abilities. Perhaps in the case a dev wants to contribute but cannot in the near future their commit

[gentoo-dev] Re: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Duncan
Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org posted 49b57409.5050...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:54:49 -0400: If the developer of an ebuild prepares the manifest, then at least their package manager will know how to handle the ebuild and extract the EAPI. Good point. The dev's PM

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Hi, Reminder (for myself): As long as we want/have to support PMs lacking EAPI detection in '*.ebuild' to mask ebuilds with unknown EAPI, each approach to add EAPI to an '*.ebuild' must be hackish. So we can try to find the least ugly hack, or we need to change the extension. So just another

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:39 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: * Utility commands, even the ones that aren't functions, should die. To get a non-die version, prefix the command with nonfatal (e.g. 'nonfatal dodoc README', which just returns non-zero on failure rather than splatting).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Tue, March 10, 2009 7:07 am, Duncan wrote: Gordon Malm gen...@gentoo.org posted 200903091617.48682.gen...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:17:48 -0700: There is an important security aspect to retiring folks - commit abilities. Perhaps in the case a dev wants to

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never. the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 10-03-2009 13:15:36 +0100, Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:25:49 +0100 Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote: Uh, you *are* testing things that use a library before you stable that library, right? When I was an architecture developer I tried to. But when stabilising a minor version of curl (for example), testing all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:08:06 +0100 Michael Haubenwallner ha...@gentoo.org wrote: Whats wrong with 'set -e' and doing '|| true' behind? Waaay too many false positives. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:58:40 -0700 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: You can't test everything. I think for a small project like exherbo where everyone basically sees eye to eye on a number of ideas this works great. Everyone agrees testing is super and they will fix broken tests or

[gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Duncan
Pierre-Yves Rofes p...@gentoo.org posted a4345526fd26a2a6f5dd3cccb4e9767d.squir...@mail.rofes.fr, excerpted below, on Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:21:55 +0100: We don't want some still active authorization and key from two years ago getting stolen and used to try to slip a bad commit under the radar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Pierre-Yves Rofes p...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, March 10, 2009 7:07 am, Duncan wrote: Gordon Malm gen...@gentoo.org posted 200903091617.48682.gen...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:17:48 -0700: There is an important security aspect to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:49:16 +0100 Tiziano Müller dev-z...@gentoo.org wrote: With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an example). Here's

[gentoo-dev] Re: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net: Potentially the developer could just manually put the EAPI in the manifest (or use a tool to do this). Obviously this is an extra step when adding ebuilds to the tree, but that would completely address the issues with sourcing builds. That's an

[gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com: On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:58:40 -0700 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: You can't test everything. I think for a small project like exherbo where everyone basically sees eye to eye on a number of ideas this works great. Everyone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:00:05 +0100 Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote: Well, the alternative is to drop src_test all together. If a test failure is meaningless, having the test is meaningless. No, some software like in sci-* has test suites that a user wants to run probably

[gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com: Then this is a legitimate problem that someone needs to know about and fix. So having src_test turned on globally is a *good* thing. [...] Again, finding this is good. [...] And if you're on an especially slow platform, as a user you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:11:56 +0100 Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote: Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com: Then this is a legitimate problem that someone needs to know about and fix. So having src_test turned on globally is a *good* thing. [...] Again, finding

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Tuesday 10 of March 2009 16:29:56 Alec Warner wrote: With some devs reviewing gentoo-commits@, I highly doubt that this commit could go unnoticed more than a few hours. really? cause I bet I could slip something in; now I'm motivated to try ;p I somewhat share the view that's rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Olexa darks...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm wondering what exactly is the harm in letting developers idle for a while? While they might not be actively committing they are still

Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Lukasz Damentko r...@gentoo.org wrote: Okay, let me explain in detail. Undertakers contact devs who didn't touch CVS for at least two months, are considered inactive in the bugzilla and have no current .away set. After the initial contact, something like 3/4

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Pierre-Yves Rofes p...@gentoo.org posted a4345526fd26a2a6f5dd3cccb4e9767d.squir...@mail.rofes.fr, excerpted below, on Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:21:55 +0100: We don't want some still active authorization and key from two years

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Lukasz Damentko
2009/3/10 Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org: So really an effective solution might be for the recruiters/retirement staff to change a user's shell with a script that spits out a message that says something to the effect of: You have been inactive for a while. Please contact recruiters to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Sébastien Fabbro
On Monday March 09 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * src_test run unless RESTRICTed or explicitly disabled by the user (bug 184812) Yes, and I would go even further: keep src_test for unit tests and some kind of pkg_posttest for either a routine to test the package once installed or an elog test

Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Petteri Räty
Doug Goldstein wrote: Granted the people I've recently talked to about this or the people I remember bringing this issue up in the past had this happen to them before we had this firm policy in place so really you're addressing a lot of the issues. But the whole act of making them go

[gentoo-dev] Maintainence of /usr/portage/skel.* and some updates for skel.ebuild

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Sachau
I would like to know, if there is some policy about editing skel.* files or who owns/maintains them. Additionally, i suggest some changes to skel.ebuild: -fix the comment for inherit (afaik $(getlibdir) is provided by multilib eclass) -comment out the inherit line -comment out DEPEND and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:49:16 +0100 Tiziano Müller dev-z...@gentoo.org wrote: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pPAJXP6shYH78lCXeqRqCUQ Here're some more easy ones. First up, un-optionaling some

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote:  Having the EAPI stored outside the ebuild's scope is generally a bad idea, because someone has to tell you that the ebuild you just downloaded from Bugzilla is EAPI x.  And the package manager will be totally

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Lukasz Damentko
2009/3/10 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org: Gentoo as a project could realize more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. Yes. Let's integrate them by introducing IRC to them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
AllenJB wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-10 Thread Peter Volkov
В Вск, 08/03/2009 в 22:54 +0100, Rémi Cardona пишет: Le 08/03/2009 21:38, Tomáš Chvátal a écrit : net-misc/mDNSResponder How about dropping this one in favor of avahi? Or am I missing something obvious? Are they completely interchangeable? Last time (well, the only time) I built samba

Re: [gentoo-dev] bzr.eclass: The next level (this time with patch)

2009-03-10 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some doubts about the usage of co --lightweight instead of the plain co. The only reason I can see is the reduced disk-space needed. Because concerning time, the lightweight checkouts take (way) longer... Just some bash-time tests done with

Re: [gentoo-dev] bzr.eclass: The next level (this time with patch)

2009-03-10 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 René 'Necoro' Neumann schrieb: As one can easily see: While the fetch time for co and lw-co are more or less equal, the export time is not. As one can say, that each package is at least exported as often as updated (if not more often), this makes

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-10 Thread ABCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 08/03/2009 в 22:54 +0100, Rémi Cardona пишет: Le 08/03/2009 21:38, Tomáš Chvátal a écrit : net-misc/mDNSResponder How about dropping this one in favor of avahi? Or am I missing something obvious? Are they completely

[gentoo-portage-dev] Deprecate portage.abssymlink

2009-03-10 Thread Douglas Anderson
I can't make out the different between portage.abssymlink and os.path.realpath, besides that realpath is used a LOT more in portage and abssympath dies if it gets passed something that's not a symlink. Let's get rid of it! 1st patch is for trunk/pym/__init__.py 2nd patch is for