Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-12 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
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Sebastian Pipping wrote:
 Hello there!
 
 
 Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a
 table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is
 per package.  I assume that DistroWatch is still one of the first places
 people go to get a feeling for a Distro they heard about, besides
 Wikpedia and ${distro}.org.
 
 The freshness of these 200 packages have influence on how people
 perceive Gentoo on DistroWatch.  While the tree as a whole is what we
 should keep as up to date as possible keeping these 200 packages (list
 further down) up to date can therefore be of particular importance.
 
 From a quick look at the table these packages seem to need extra care in
 Gentoo:
 
   cups (1.4.0) 1.3.11  -- latest in Gentoo unstable/testing
   koffice (2.0.2)  1.6.3

There has been koffice-meta-2.0.2 for a while.

   mysql (5.1.38)   5.0.84
   perl (5.10.1)5.8.8
   php (5.3.0)  5.2.10
   samba (3.4.1)3.3.7

Marijn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Ryan Hill wrote:
 Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way.

I was afraid it could be read in such a way.  Handing out fake version
numbers would be much easier, wouldn't it?  I want every single package
int he tree to be stable, up to date and polished.  But as our resources
are limited let's focus on packages that are most important first.


 Also, screw DW.

I'd be interested to hear details about your attitude off-list.



Sebastian



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2009.0 profiles

2009-09-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 11 September 2009 19:48:03 George Prowse wrote:
 Mike Frysinger wrote:
  ...
 
 Why not tie the the thing that makes Gentoo unique and one of the major
 reasons why users use it to the version numbers - Portage.
 
 We had 1.2, then 1.4 then 2004.0 and if i'm not mistaken portage is at
 2.1 currently. Tie it in and we have 2.2 (currently masked) next. Add
 release candidates along the way and everyone is happy. But i'm sure
 there is a million reasons why this is wrong... Bring on the wrath.

these two things simply dont make sense to tie together.  profiles control the 
default configuration for your system (USE flags / build flags / etc...) while 
portage is a package manager.  version changes in the package manager dont 
directly relate in any way to the default configuration the user has selected.
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Aaron Bauman wrote:
 Sebastian,
   I definitely admire your point and know that through your tracking and 
 Google 
 SoC project you have good visibility on this I do however have to disagree.  
 As much as I enjoy the open source community and admire the products they put 
 out I do believe Gentoo has the right approach to packaging.
   My standpoint is that Gentoo always ensures stability in the fact that 
 we 
 require packages to be tested prior to release in the main portage tree and 
 secondly the Gentoo developers always ensure security as best as they can.
   These I believe are what keep the portage tree somewhat behind the 
 latest and 
 greatest and as always there are overlays and options that allow users to 
 pull 
 these packages down if they want.
   I believe the great thing about Gentoo is the choice of whether to be 
 cutting 
 edge or not.  If I have missed anything please let me know.

I don't think we should trade away quality.  You said you disagree with
me but with that said I don't see at which point.



Sebastian



Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
   koffice (2.0.2)  1.6.3
 
 There has been koffice-meta-2.0.2 for a while.

Good catch, thank you!



Sebastian