Re: [gentoo-dev] Unused ebuild built_with_use cleanup
Patrick Lauer wrote: And that's with all the forced migrations for features like use-deps or the removal of built_with_use. So unless there's some strongly needed features there's no need for it. I can't remember any feature in the EAPI 3 list that really looked useful to me, so not adding it now now now doesn't bother me at all. Just causes more confusion for no real benefit. So who cares if it is delayed by a few timeunits, there's much more important stuff to do. Here's two features that by themselves are important enough to get EAPI 3 implemented. Using pkg_pretend it should be possible to eliminate expected dies from build time and as such improving user experience. An example is two use flags that conflict with each other. Use dependency defaults make the life of ebuild writers easier as you don't need to be careful with version restrictions any more if you have a case where something has been on by default and then becomes a use flag for example. This should eliminate cases like causing glibc downgrade in the depgraph by being careless. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Unused ebuild built_with_use cleanup
Tomáš Chvátal wrote: On čtvrtek 08 Říjen 2009, 23:34:10 Petteri Räty wrote: Even this is wrong because: Hi ... betelge...@pena ~ $ portageq metadata / ebuild sys-libs/glibc-2.2.5-r10 IUSE nls For most packages old versions are not kept around so just doing =cat/foo-X.Y[use] is fine and EAPI 3 is not needed. I haven't come across a case that couldn't be done with EAPI 2 yet. Granted the atoms can be a bit cleaner with EAPI 3 but considering how much zmedico slacks in implementing it, it's best to do migrating now with EAPI 2 than EAPI 3 in the far future. This is not exactly nice of you. And taking in account that you are actualy the council member it makes me feel not entirely happy. If we just simply take look onto this: http://cia.vc/stats/author/zmedico/ we can count that Zac commit something into portage every 3 hours. It does not look entirely like slacking... So you are basicaly proposing that maintaining the current codebase and improving what we already have is less important than providing new features, that is also not good. I am not suggesting that the work Zac does is worthless. I am saying that implementing EAPI 3 is not a colossal amount of work and if it was a priority to him it would have already been implemented. If he feels offended by my original comment, I have no problem apologizing to him. Not having EAPI 3 implemented in general is not his fault as many of us have the needed skills to start helping on the Portage code base. The reality just is that he is the most likely person to implement it and as such a very important factor on when it happens. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree
Hi there! As some of you have waited long for this to happen, sys-apps/openrc-0.5.1 is there. It has a default enabled (eapi-1) useflag oldnet to install the old-style network scripts called net.*. Regardless of this use-flag, the new init-script /etc/init.d/network is always installed. For transition to new-style network script there is something todo I think. Unordered list of todos: * hotplug? at least udev does explicitly call in net.* scripts * New systems should get old or new scripts? * does new scripts already can do all that was possible with net.* ? So far I hope the update does not break any system. In case this happens nevertheless open a bug as usual. Regards Matthias
Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree
On Пятница 09 октября 2009 21:57:07 Matthias Schwarzott wrote: Hi there! As some of you have waited long for this to happen, sys-apps/openrc-0.5.1 is there. It has a default enabled (eapi-1) useflag oldnet to install the old-style network scripts called net.*. Regardless of this use-flag, the new init-script /etc/init.d/network is always installed. For transition to new-style network script there is something todo I think. Unordered list of todos: * hotplug? at least udev does explicitly call in net.* scripts * New systems should get old or new scripts? * does new scripts already can do all that was possible with net.* ? So far I hope the update does not break any system. In case this happens nevertheless open a bug as usual. Regards Matthias I think we should have unicode=yes in rc.conf by default if we have +unicode in USE -- Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Gentoo/KDE Gentoo/MIPS Gentoo Team Ru signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:57:07 +0200 Matthias Schwarzott z...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi there! As some of you have waited long for this to happen, sys-apps/openrc-0.5.1 is there. It has a default enabled (eapi-1) useflag oldnet to install the old-style network scripts called net.*. Regardless of this use-flag, the new init-script /etc/init.d/network is always installed. For transition to new-style network script there is something todo I think. Unordered list of todos: * hotplug? at least udev does explicitly call in net.* scripts * New systems should get old or new scripts? * does new scripts already can do all that was possible with net.* ? So far I hope the update does not break any system. In case this happens nevertheless open a bug as usual. Regards Matthias As long as this new version is ~arch (and not hardmasked), you also need to send some documentation updates for http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml; patches to bugs.gentoo.org, Documentation product. This way we in the GDP can take care of keeping the guide up-to-date. Thanks. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
