Re: [gentoo-dev] QA is unimportant?

2009-11-10 Thread Rémi Cardona

Le 09/11/2009 17:30, Patrick Lauer a écrit :

Ok, here's the real problem;

Unmaintained stuff is unmaintained


Patrick,

Just piping in to say that dropping a package from portage isn't the end 
of the world, we have a very good process for it and it has proven to be 
very effective.


Dead packages should be masked :

1) it tells users that no-one among us devs really care about the 
package. And it's good because we're not lying or pretending to care. I 
think it's honest of us to admit that some packages are abandoned. Users 
deserve to know.


2) it sends a crystal-clear message that this package is up for grabs, 
either by another dev or by a user with a proxy-maintainer. This is yet 
another good thing because it might encourage users to join our ranks.


3) it allows to effectively clear out cruft, and $deity knows portage is 
full of it. Faster sync times, fewer security risks, etc.


So while of course we're not going to p.mask perl because its sole 
maintainer has decided to stop working on it, but for _less_ _important_ 
packages, masking and treecleaning is a *good* thing.


And besides, the beauty of CVS is that deleted files are never really 
gone, so a deleted package can be brought back from the dead in a few 
minutes.


So really, don't feel obliged to touch/bump/fix all unmaintained 
packages, fix those that you use and treeclean the rest. It'll be for 
the best.


Cheers,

Rémi



[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo stats server/client @ 2009-08-22

2009-11-10 Thread Torsten Veller
* Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org:
 What's next
 ===

What's the status of the stats project? What's missing? What help is
needed?

I'd really like to see a system that can answer:
How often is cpv x installed on arch y (testing/stable flavour)?



[gentoo-dev] Removing kde-base/arts from tree.

2009-11-10 Thread Samuli Suominen
Here's _somewhat_ complete list of ebuilds that have a depend on
kde-base/arts, excluding those that are masked for other reasons
or ones that I plan on handling myself.

app-backup/konserve-0.10.3:arts
app-dicts/kannadic-1.7.0:arts
app-dicts/kannadic-2.0.3:arts
app-i18n/skim-scim-anthy-1.2.4:arts
app-i18n/skim-scim-anthy-1.3.0:arts
app-laptop/khdapsmon-0.1.2:arts
app-laptop/khdapsmonitor-0.1:arts
app-laptop/kthinkbat-0.2.9:arts
app-misc/workrave-1.8.5:arts
app-misc/workrave-1.9.0:arts
app-mobilephone/ksms-0.1.2.4:arts
app-pda/ipodslave-0.6.2:arts
app-pda/ipodslave-0.7.3:arts
app-pda/synce-kde-0.9.1:arts
app-text/bibletime-1.6.5.1-r1:arts
app-text/kbarcode-2.0.6:arts
app-text/kding-0.4.3:arts
dev-db/knoda-0.8.3:arts
dev-db/kpogre-1.5.2:arts
dev-db/kpogre-1.5.4:arts
dev-db/kpogre-1.6.6:arts
dev-db/kpogre-3.0.0:arts
dev-perl/PerlQt-3.009_beta2:arts
dev-util/kdbg-2.0.5:arts
dev-util/kdoc-2.0_alpha54:arts
dev-util/kprof-1.4.3-r1:arts
mail-client/kbiff-3.8:arts
mail-client/mailody-0.4.0:arts
mail-client/mailody-0.5.0:arts
mail-client/mailody-0.5.0-r1:arts
media-libs/allegro-4.2.2-r1:arts
media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1:arts
media-libs/mediastreamer-2.2.3_p1-r1:arts
media-libs/mediastreamer-2.2.4:arts
media-plugins/audacious-plugins-1.5.1-r3:arts
media-plugins/hayes-1.3:arts
media-plugins/hayes-1.4:arts
media-plugins/jefferson-3.2:arts
media-radio/qsstv-5.3c:arts
media-tv/kvdr-0.64-r3:arts
media-video/kavi2svcd-0.8.7:arts
media-video/kmenc15-0.03:arts
media-video/kmenc15-0.04:arts
media-video/ksubtile-1.1:arts
media-video/ksubtile-1.2:arts
media-video/ksubtile-1.3:arts
media-video/okle-0.4:arts
media-video/vlc-0.9.10:arts
net-analyzer/knetscan-1.0-r1:arts
net-analyzer/ksniffer-0.3:arts
net-analyzer/ksniffer-0.3.1:arts
net-analyzer/ksniffer-0.3.2:arts
net-dialup/kdsl-0.5:arts
net-dialup/kmasqdialer-2.05:arts
net-dialup/komport-0.5.9:arts
net-dialup/roek-0.40:arts
net-dialup/serlook-0.3.3:arts
net-dialup/trayimonc-0.8-r1:arts
net-firewall/guarddog-2.6.0-r1:arts
net-firewall/kmyfirewall-1.1.1:arts
net-misc/guidedog-1.0.0
net-misc/kovpn-0.2:arts
net-misc/kovpn-0.3_pre2:arts
net-misc/kovpn-0.3_pre6:arts
net-misc/kovpn-0.3_pre6-r1:arts
net-misc/kssh-0.7:arts
net-misc/kvpnc-0.9.0:arts
net-misc/kwebget-0.8.1:arts
net-misc/nxserver-freenx-0.7.3-r2:arts
net-misc/nxserver-freenx-0.7.3-r3:arts
net-misc/x2gokdebindings-2.0.1.3:arts
net-misc/x2gosessionadministration-2.0.1.10:arts
net-print/kink-0.2.1:arts
net-print/kink-0.2.1-r1:arts
net-wireless/kwlaninfo-0.9.4:arts
net-wireless/kwlaninfo-0.9.5:arts
net-wireless/waveselect-0.1.2:arts
sci-astronomy/celestia-1.5.1:arts
sci-astronomy/celestia-1.6.0:arts
sci-calculators/abakus-0.91:arts
sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1:arts
sci-calculators/pgcalc2-2.2.10:arts
sci-calculators/pgcalc2-2.2.6:arts
sci-electronics/klogic-1.61:arts
sci-electronics/klogic-1.63:arts
sci-electronics/ktechlab-0.3.6:arts
sci-misc/kboincspy-0.9.0:arts
sci-misc/kboincspy-0.9.1:arts
sci-visualization/kpl-3.3:arts
sci-visualization/labplot-1.6.0.2:arts
sys-power/kpowersave-0.7.3-r1:arts
x11-misc/kflog-2.1.1-r2:arts
x11-misc/lineak-kdeplugins-0.9.0:arts
x11-misc/switcher-0.3.7a:arts

If you see something you use, like, maintain, I suggest on dropping the
depend ASAP. Note that if it's using kde.eclass, you'll need to set
ARTS_REQUIRED=never before the inherit line.

I'm tempted to say otherwise it will be hardmasked with kde-base/arts
by the end of this week, but that might be too intimidating for some.
*grin*

- Samuli



Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing kde-base/arts from tree.

2009-11-10 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I'm tempted to say otherwise it will be hardmasked with kde-base/arts
 by the end of this week, but that might be too intimidating for some.

And completely unreasonable. Some of us have a life.

Denis, wondering why the hurry.



Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing kde-base/arts from tree.

2009-11-10 Thread Samuli Suominen
Denis Dupeyron wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
 I'm tempted to say otherwise it will be hardmasked with kde-base/arts
 by the end of this week, but that might be too intimidating for some.
 
 And completely unreasonable. Some of us have a life.
 
 Denis, wondering why the hurry.
 

No mandatory requirement for getting involved.

cla, volkmar, and Mr_Bones_ helped around today already, the list got a
lot shorter. Thanks guys :)

As for the hurry, that's pretty much been the topic for quite a while
now? KDE3 removal, which arts is part of, but not many are taking into
account for. I wonder how many times it needs to be repeated, it seems
to be news everytime for someone.