Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-30 Thread Peter Volkov
В Птн, 29/10/2010 в 09:11 -0700, Alec Warner пишет:
 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
 Can I install a machine with the server profile and USE=-ldap, but
 still get ldap + pam working?
 Can I install a machine with the server profile and USE=-apache, but
 still get apache + php working?  apache + rails?
 How many packages support each USE flag?
 How many of those packages have IUSE defaults for +ldap or +apache already?

Having lxc/openvz/vserver technologies at hand it's not rare to split
LAMP server into a number of virtual servers (containers): mysql /
backend with php / frontend / smtp - everything sits in its own
container. And USE=apache will be used only in _one_ container. Also not
all servers are web servers. So IMO server profile should be just
minimal profile that hints users that this profile will stay minimal and
usable for all kinds of servers. That said I think server profile is
useless and for servers I maintain my own profiles.

-- 
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[gentoo-dev] Should we remove dev-tinyos category due to lack of maintainer?

2010-10-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
Packages from dev-tinyos/ category have been slowly lastrited due to
open QA issues during last year (or two).

17 open bugs, http://tinyurl.com/33h7fny

I remember someone suggesting this before, but I can't seem to find the
mail or IRC log about it, so asking now again.





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Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-30 Thread Markos Chandras
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:05:17AM +0400, Peter Volkov wrote:
 В Птн, 29/10/2010 в 09:11 -0700, Alec Warner пишет:
  On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org 
  wrote:
  Can I install a machine with the server profile and USE=-ldap, but
  still get ldap + pam working?
  Can I install a machine with the server profile and USE=-apache, but
  still get apache + php working?  apache + rails?
  How many packages support each USE flag?
  How many of those packages have IUSE defaults for +ldap or +apache already?
 
 Having lxc/openvz/vserver technologies at hand it's not rare to split
 LAMP server into a number of virtual servers (containers): mysql /
 backend with php / frontend / smtp - everything sits in its own
 container. And USE=apache will be used only in _one_ container. Also not
 all servers are web servers. So IMO server profile should be just
 minimal profile that hints users that this profile will stay minimal and
 usable for all kinds of servers. That said I think server profile is
 useless and for servers I maintain my own profiles.
 
 -- 
 Peter.
 
 
Exactly! How about the warning message. Should the statement about
gcc+glibc be removed and keep the one about hardened but make it a bit
different?Like This profile is making use of a minimal set of use flag.
You may find it useful in a server environment. However, If you are seeking
for extra security, please check the Hardened project
(http://hardened.gentoo.org).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we remove dev-tinyos category due to lack of maintainer?

2010-10-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/30/2010 10:56 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
 Packages from dev-tinyos/ category have been slowly lastrited due to
 open QA issues during last year (or two).
 
 17 open bugs, http://tinyurl.com/33h7fny
 
 I remember someone suggesting this before, but I can't seem to find the
 mail or IRC log about it, so asking now again.

Well, masked.  Can be changed if someone has objections...

# Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (30 Oct 2010)
# Uninstallable for over a year now, bug 276203
# Removal in 30 days
dev-scheme/sisc

# Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (30 Oct 2010)
# Unmaintained, 17 open bugs, http://tinyurl.com/33h7fny
# dev-tinyos category will be removed in 30 days
dev-tinyos/channelgen
dev-tinyos/listen
dev-tinyos/nesc
dev-tinyos/serial-forwarder
dev-tinyos/tos
dev-tinyos/tos-getenv



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86/net-misc/aggregate: aggregate-1.6.ebuild

2010-10-30 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:30:55AM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
 On 28-10-2010 09:25:23 +, Samuli Suominen wrote:
  ssuominen10/10/28 09:25:23
  
  Modified: aggregate-1.6.ebuild
  Log:
qa
 
 I think it would be good practice if you would give a summary of
 what type of QA you applied, even though for you it may be obvious.
 I just see lots of unnecessary changes that are apparently considered to
 be justified by QA.
As the maintainer of the package in question, I'd like to ask:
If you're changing a package I maintain, put SOMETHING in the Changelog.

Secondly, I'm wondering if this should have been a revbump: your
addition of tc-export could have changed the results.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-30 Thread Richard Freeman
On 10/30/2010 05:09 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:05:17AM +0400, Peter Volkov wrote:
 В Птн, 29/10/2010 в 09:11 -0700, Alec Warner пишет:
 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org 
 wrote:
 Can I install a machine with the server profile and USE=-ldap, but
 still get ldap + pam working?
 Can I install a machine with the server profile and USE=-apache, but
 still get apache + php working?  apache + rails?
 How many packages support each USE flag?
 How many of those packages have IUSE defaults for +ldap or +apache already?

 Having lxc/openvz/vserver technologies at hand it's not rare to split
 LAMP server into a number of virtual servers (containers): mysql /
 backend with php / frontend / smtp - everything sits in its own
 container. And USE=apache will be used only in _one_ container. Also not
 all servers are web servers. So IMO server profile should be just
 minimal profile that hints users that this profile will stay minimal and
 usable for all kinds of servers. That said I think server profile is
 useless and for servers I maintain my own profiles.

 -- 
 Peter.


 Exactly! How about the warning message. Should the statement about
 gcc+glibc be removed and keep the one about hardened but make it a bit
 different?Like This profile is making use of a minimal set of use flag.
 You may find it useful in a server environment. However, If you are seeking
 for extra security, please check the Hardened project
 (http://hardened.gentoo.org).
 

What exactly is the intended use of the server flag?

When I want a minimal image, I usually just use the default profile.
That is pretty-much a bare-bones gentoo install.  I can see the use of
desktop, and I can see the use of hardened.  Right now server just looks
like default with random stuff for various kinds of servers added.

I could see if server had a different set of keywords and QA policy
(like debian stable), or if there were a set of use flags that would be
universally useful on a server and not on a desktop.

Right now it just seems like the server profile exists since lots of
other distros have server editions, so we should too.  If that is the
case, why not just point users to the default profile, or hardened?'

I'd be curious what the users of the server profile say.  If anything
they are the ones we should be listening to since they've found a use
for it.

Rich



[gentoo-dev] Reminder: please coordinate with the subsystem maintainers

2010-10-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Hi all,

While it is true we don't have real subsystem maintainers in Gentoo, I'd
like to ask everybody to shoot a request to the team maintaining a
general area before adding something that might fall into their
development usage.

In the past year I have witnessed a number of breakages due to adding
support for, or entirely new packages, to big subsystem such as Ruby,
XFCE, PAM, and so on.

In the case of Ruby, we've been working hard to make Ruby-NG[1] perform
just as fine as RubyGems, but to do so we need to add custom code to the
ebuilds, and set up running tests and the like. This also means that
dependencies need to be done sometimes in tricky ways; so if you want to
add an ebuild for Ruby-related software, please clear it with us first.

In the case of XFCE, I'll let Samuli talk about that.

In the case of PAM, I'm now (very slowly) running an audit of what we
have in tree [2] and I've found at least two partly-broken modules that
have been recently added to the tree. Since I'm maintaining PAM more or
less alone right now, and I'm just working on the new pambase code, I'd
pretty much like to know and validate ebuilds for new PAM modules and
PAM-using software _before_ they hit the tree, as the audit is already
complex enough on its own.

[1] http://blog.flameeyes.eu/tag/rubyng
[2] http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/10/24/anybody-hiring-me-for-pam

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-30 Thread Thomas Sachau
Am 30.10.2010 03:37, schrieb Donnie Berkholz:
 On 15:46 Fri 29 Oct , Thomas Sachau wrote:
 Which raises the question, if those people, who want to install a 
 minimal server will mostly use apache or something different. And 
 especially for minimal setups, i dont think that apache will be the 
 first choice, so i agree with the removal of those USE flags from 
 default IUSE. The profile is intended to have a minimal set of flags, 
 i would call apache an additional optional flag, not a default option 
 for minimal server setups.
 
 I'm not sure when this transition happened, as profile USE flags have 
 traditionally been a reasonable default set rather than a minimal set. 
 This gives people who don't have much experience with Gentoo a decent 
 chance at getting a working system on their first try. For people who 
 have more experience, it's not exactly difficult to change things.
 

If i remember it right, the server profile was created for those people, who 
only want a minimum
amount of default profile enabled USE flags (so no desktop profile because of 
that), but on the
other side dont want to do the additional work/checks/reading for hardened 
profiles (which have much
less profile enabled USE flags, but also have the special gcc, glibc and 
Kernel), basicly a profile,
which does the same as hardened profile without the specific hardened bits.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: LinNeighborhood and mondo

2010-10-30 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On L, 2010-10-30 at 11:22 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
 # Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (30 Oct 2010)
 # Still using GTK+-1.2
 # Masked for removal in 30 days
 net-misc/LinNeighborhood

What are the alternatives? Nautilus and Thunar?
I guess the suggestion is to mention in the mask message what could be
used instead.

 # Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org (30 Oct 2010)
 # For Linux 2.4, bug 335455. Time to upgrade to 2.6.
 # Masked for removal in 30 days
 sys-apps/mondo

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Gentoo Developer
Mail: l...@gentoo.org




Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-analyzer/tcpreplay: ChangeLog tcpreplay-3.4.5_beta2.ebuild

2010-10-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:44:42 +0400
Peter Volkov p...@gentoo.org wrote:

 Also speaking about this specific package: I've maintained this
 package quite long time and I'm following upstream mailing list and
 I've never heard from upstream it's safe to push betas on all users.

I didn't push it on all users. Maybe ~arch users, but they get to keep
the pieces when they break their systems, if I recall correctly.


 jer



[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-analyzer/tcpreplay: ChangeLog tcpreplay-3.4.5_beta2.ebuild

2010-10-30 Thread Duncan
Jeroen Roovers posted on Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:40:45 +0200 as excerpted:

 On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:44:42 +0400
 Peter Volkov p...@gentoo.org wrote:
 
 Also speaking about this specific package: I've maintained this package
 quite long time and I'm following upstream mailing list and I've never
 heard from upstream it's safe to push betas on all users.
 
 I didn't push it on all users. Maybe ~arch users, but they get to keep
 the pieces when they break their systems, if I recall correctly.

To some extent, yes.

However, Gentoo policy has always been that even ~arch is only upstream-
stable packages, the ~arch keyword denoting Gentoo package testing 
(basically, the ebuild script and dependencies), /not/ upstream testing.  
In with certain exceptions, in particular for packages where Gentoo itself 
is upstream, if it's not a package that could at least in theory be Gentoo-
stable if no bugs appear during the 30-day standard stabilizing period, 
it's not supposed to be ~arch keyworded either.

That's an important distinction to make.

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[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-cpp/gtkmm:2

2010-10-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
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# anything in the tree.
# Pending Removal: 2010-11-30
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[gentoo-dev] Gentoo's plan to remove .la files: eutils function

2010-10-30 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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Hi.

As outlined in the global email about this issue, this email is to start
a thread about the eutils function. Please reply to this thread if you
have any comments about this point.

1. Add a function to eutils to deal with the removal of the .la files.

delete_libtool_archives() { find ${@:$D} -name '*.la' -delete }

That function was suggested by Diego, but Arfrever has argued that we
should replace : with - as '${@:$D} expands to a subarray containing
elements starting with element with index $D (where element 0 is $0)'.
The point in having this function in eutils is to ensure we use a
consistent way to address the .la files. This will also make it much
easier to adapt or review this function if needed.


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[gentoo-dev] Gentoo's plan to remove .la files: QA document

2010-10-30 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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Hi.

As outlined in the global email about this issue, this email is to start
a thread about the QA document. Please reply to this thread if you
have any comments about this point.


3. Add a page to the QA project space (unless they're not interested)
about la files and how to deal with them

I think we can ask Diego to use large parts of his blog posts and charts
about .la files[1], [2], [3], [4] as a source for the document. We can
also add some basic info from the autobook[5], [6]. The goal would be to
have a document similar to our own --as-needed guide [7] and to other
distributions[8], [9].
Anyone wishes to volunteer for this task?
QA would such a document be welcomed in your project space?


 [1] - http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2008/04/14/whatabout-those-la-files
 [2] -
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2008/07/02/again-about-la-files-or-why-should-they-be-killed-off-sooner-rather-than-later
 [3] -
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/07/06/identifying-pointless-la-files-for-plugins
 [4] -
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/09/28/removing-la-files-for-dum-w-uncertain-people
 [5] - http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/autobook/autobook_11.html#SEC11
 [6] - http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/autobook/autobook_68.html#SEC68
 [7] - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/asneeded.xml
 [8] - http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Libtool_archives#shared_build
 [9] - http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Overlinking


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[gentoo-dev] Gentoo's plan to remove .la files: PM support

2010-10-30 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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Hi.

As outlined in the global email about this issue, this email is to start
a thread about the PM support. Please reply to this thread if you
have any comments about this point.


5. Get portage-2.1.9* marked stable.

As this portage version will fix the contents of the .la files when
installing them, it will prevent the trouble caused by the hard-coded
lib references - for all the .la files that will still need to be installed.
One issue that remains open to me, is whether there will be any control
over this feature. I was told the plan is to have it dependent on
FEATURES, which to me doesn't make much sense.


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[gentoo-dev] Gentoo's plan to remove .la files: removing the files and profit

2010-10-30 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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Hi.

As outlined in the global email about this issue, this email is to start
a thread about removing the files and profit. Please reply to this
thread if you have any comments about this point.


6. allow maintainers to work on .la files removal as they see fit

After we provide maintainers consistent tools to remove .la files,
create some good documentation about this, get a stable version of
portage that helps addressing the issue for newly installed packages
and warn users, maintainers are free to work on this as they can.


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