Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread justin
Thanks again Mike for an extended review. Some replies on your comments everything else is directly excepted. On 17/06/11 05:03, Mike Frysinger wrote: # @ECLASS: fortran-2.eclass i dont see fortran.eclass. what's with the -2 ? There was a fortran eclass, which did completely different

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 02:05:59 justin wrote: On 17/06/11 05:03, Mike Frysinger wrote: # @ECLASS: fortran-2.eclass i dont see fortran.eclass. what's with the -2 ? There was a fortran eclass, which did completely different things. In order to not break an ancient package (outside

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread justin
I wasn't aware of that. We are lacking any documentation about the proper documentation for manpages in all eclass writing guides. the syntax is fully documented in the utility that generates it. see the awk in the eclass-manpages filesdir. This is not a proper way of documentation.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 02:40:27 justin wrote: I wasn't aware of that. We are lacking any documentation about the proper documentation for manpages in all eclass writing guides. the syntax is fully documented in the utility that generates it. see the awk in the eclass-manpages

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 17/06/2011 03:30 πμ, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday, June 13, 2011 19:09:06 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 11-06-2011 20:48, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday, June 11, 2011 16:24:00 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:58:43

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread Kacper Kowalik
W dniu 17.06.2011 05:03, Mike Frysinger pisze: DEPEND=virtual/fortran RDEPEND=${DEPEND} i'm not sure that RDEPEND is correct. do all fortran compilers additionally require the fortran compiler to be available at runtime ? They require fortran runtime library if they don't link it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread justin
On 17/06/11 11:01, Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 17.06.2011 05:03, Mike Frysinger pisze: DEPEND=virtual/fortran RDEPEND=${DEPEND} i'm not sure that RDEPEND is correct. do all fortran compilers additionally require the fortran compiler to be available at runtime ? They require fortran

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

2011-06-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 06/17/2011 04:10 PM, Stuart Longland (redhatter) wrote: redhatter11/06/17 13:10:02 Modified: package.mask Log: Masking of media-radio/svxlink-090426 and media-radio/gmfsk. The former will need a major overhaul, and I intend to replace the ebuild with a newer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Not removing old packages does *NOT* violate the policy. And this is why nobody likes lawyers. :) Leaving around old packages because of a desire to avoid a policy doesn't really strike me as an example of exemplary QA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 17/06/2011 05:25 ??, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Not removing old packages does *NOT* violate the policy. And this is why nobody likes lawyers. :) Rich, That's a bit

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:25:42 -0700 as excerpted: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Not removing old packages does *NOT* violate the policy. And this is why nobody likes lawyers. :) Leaving around old packages because of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
El 17/06/11 16:25, Rich Freeman escribió: If we think that tweaking the changelog policy causes pain, just wait to see how the git migration goes. Just a few words regarding this, in my company we moved to git (from darcs) recently. I have ended up taking some non working days because the

[gentoo-dev] write to filesystem in pkg_pretend

2011-06-17 Thread Torsten Veller
* justin j...@gentoo.org: Now using the new pkg_pretend for EAPI=4 While T is defined in all phases, PMS also says that pkg_pretend must not write to the filesystem. Is it allowed to write to T or not? Can the specs be clearer if it's allowed? -- Thanks

Re: [gentoo-dev] write to filesystem in pkg_pretend

2011-06-17 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:25:21 +0200 Torsten Veller ml...@veller.net wrote: * justin j...@gentoo.org: Now using the new pkg_pretend for EAPI=4 While T is defined in all phases, PMS also says that pkg_pretend must not write to the filesystem. Is it allowed to write to T or not? Can the

Re: [gentoo-dev] write to filesystem in pkg_pretend

2011-06-17 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Torsten Veller wrote: While T is defined in all phases, PMS also says that pkg_pretend must not write to the filesystem. Is it allowed to write to T or not? Can the specs be clearer if it's allowed? Must not write to the filesystem seems to be very clear to me. Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 11:31:43 Duncan wrote: What occurred to me in the context of this whole controversy, was that not only can devs simply leave old versions for someone else to remove, but they can, and routinely do, remove old versions as part of a commit changing something in (some of)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:08:43 Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera wrote: El 17/06/11 16:25, Rich Freeman escribió: If we think that tweaking the changelog policy causes pain, just wait to see how the git migration goes. Just a few words regarding this, in my company we moved to git (from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 05:01:10 Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 17.06.2011 05:03, Mike Frysinger pisze: DEPEND=virtual/fortran RDEPEND=${DEPEND} i'm not sure that RDEPEND is correct. do all fortran compilers additionally require the fortran compiler to be available at runtime ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] write to filesystem in pkg_pretend

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:25:21 Torsten Veller wrote: * justin j...@gentoo.org: Now using the new pkg_pretend for EAPI=4 While T is defined in all phases, PMS also says that pkg_pretend must not write to the filesystem. Is it allowed to write to T or not? Can the specs be clearer if

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Duncan
Mike Frysinger posted on Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:44:52 -0400 as excerpted: On Friday, June 17, 2011 11:31:43 Duncan wrote: It's worth pointing out that if Mike and others' workflow already involves a lot of this, they'd be modifying it very little if they simply avoided separate removals. In

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review fortran-2.eclass next round

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 14:39:22 Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 17.06.2011 18:41, Mike Frysinger pisze: On Friday, June 17, 2011 05:01:10 Kacper Kowalik wrote: W dniu 17.06.2011 05:03, Mike Frysinger pisze: DEPEND=virtual/fortran RDEPEND=${DEPEND} i'm not sure that RDEPEND is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 06/17/2011 09:18 PM, Duncan wrote: Mike Frysinger posted on Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:44:52 -0400 as excerpted: On Friday, June 17, 2011 11:31:43 Duncan wrote: It's worth pointing out that if Mike and others' workflow already involves a lot of this, they'd be modifying it very little if they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages that explicitly DEPEND on sys-apps/sed

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
more thoughts as to why this is a bad idea ... how do you deal with runtime library requirements which only the compiler knows about ? sys-devel/gcc provides many runtime libraries such as libgcc_s.so. but whether the package actually needs that at runtime may depend purely on the arch/abi,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 14:34:35 Samuli Suominen wrote: I'm sorry, but honestly, did you have a point in there somewhere? i gathered that he had a specific case where he found a removal entry in the ChangeLog kept people from chasing their own tail for a while -mike signature.asc

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Duncan
Samuli Suominen posted on Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:34:35 +0300 as excerpted: On 06/17/2011 09:18 PM, Duncan wrote: Meanwhile, case-in-point of why changelogging removals matters. My last post was to a kde list, helping someone trying to build kdelibs on RHEL. He was missing the libdbusmenu-qt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages that explicitly DEPEND on sys-apps/sed

2011-06-17 Thread Bruno
On Tue, 14 June 2011 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:08:54AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: The implicit system set dependency thing really, really needs to die; at the time of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
El 17/06/11 18:46, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:08:43 Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera wrote: El 17/06/11 16:25, Rich Freeman escribió: If we think that tweaking the changelog policy causes pain, just wait to see how the git migration goes. Just a few words regarding

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml

2011-06-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday, June 17, 2011 16:37:02 Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera wrote: El 17/06/11 18:46, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Friday, June 17, 2011 12:08:43 Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera wrote: El 17/06/11 16:25, Rich Freeman escribió: If we think that tweaking the changelog policy causes pain,