[gentoo-dev] EKOPath/Path64 compiler ebuilds + support

2011-07-30 Thread C. Bergström
Hi Recently a couple new ebuilds were added to the portage tree and I felt it's worthwhile to give a friendly heads up. So without further ado let me introduce EKOPath and Path64. EKOPath - This is a binary installer that comes from one of the nightly PathScale builds. The source to the

[gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time now[1][2][3] [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364235 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove#Move_all_to_.2Fusr [3]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time now[1][2][3] [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364235 [2]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:27:27 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time now[1][2][3] [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364235 [2]

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:46:00 +0100 as excerpted: It's important to consider the timeline here. Separate /usr was accidentally broken by a sudden increase in dependencies from base system packages to desktopy things. It was only later that certain people decided that oh,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/30/2011 01:46 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:27:27 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time now[1][2][3] [1]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr.  Do we have other reasons?  How many users that might be? I dislike the documentation not being clear on separate /usr, that it should only be used if you *really* need it due to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Samuli Suominen schrieb: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr. Do we have other reasons? How many users that might be? If you have / encrypted, then you can leave /usr unencrypted as it contains no secrets. Also /usr can remain mounted read-only most of the time, so there is a reduced chance

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/30/2011 05:28 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Samuli Suominen schrieb: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr. Do we have other reasons? How many users that might be? If you have / encrypted, then you can leave /usr unencrypted as it contains no secrets. Also /usr can remain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: 11:39 @aidecoe dracut has module fstab-sys. You might check this out to mount additional stuff before switching to root. If we want to make /usr required on boot we should build this capability into genkernel. Or, we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from Rich Freeman's message of 2011-07-30 17:10:14 +0200: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: 11:39 @aidecoe dracut has module fstab-sys. You might check this out to mount additional stuff before switching to root. If we want to make /usr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 30 July 2011 14:55:23 Samuli Suominen wrote: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr. Do we have other reasons? How many users that might be? From /etc/conf.d/fsck, seems like a reason to keep the / FS as small as possible to reduce the amount of time spent waiting during boot: #

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 1:20 PM, David Leverton levert...@googlemail.com wrote: On Saturday 30 July 2011 14:55:23 Samuli Suominen wrote: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr.  Do we have other reasons?  How many users that might be? From /etc/conf.d/fsck, seems like a reason to keep the / FS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:38:55 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: From /etc/conf.d/fsck, seems like a reason to keep the / FS as small as possible to reduce the amount of time spent waiting during boot: Well, that only really has a benefit if the system can do something useful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 30 July 2011 18:38:55 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 1:20 PM, David Leverton From /etc/conf.d/fsck, seems like a reason to keep the / FS as small as possible to reduce the amount of time spent waiting during boot: Well, that only really has a benefit if the system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:28:54 +0200 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Samuli Suominen schrieb: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr. Do we have other reasons? How many users that might be? If you have / encrypted, then you can leave /usr unencrypted as it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread DarKRaveR
Certainly a good point - you don't want to spoil a SSD-RAID-set's performance by encrypting /usr but there is surely a strong need to encrypt /etc and thus /, which has a rather neglectable impact on performance of a system. I'd even say that in a lot of environments splitting / and /usr is more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:57:14AM +, Duncan wrote: Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:46:00 +0100 as excerpted: It's important to consider the timeline here. Separate /usr was accidentally broken by a sudden increase in dependencies from base system packages to desktopy

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Changing portage's unpack behavior for non-tar files compressed with gz|Z|z|bz2|bz|lzma|xz extensions

2011-07-30 Thread Zac Medico
Hi everyone, We've found that portage's unpack behavior is inconsistent for non-tar files compressed with gz|Z|z|bz2|bz|lzma|xz extensions [1]. Currently, it emulates tools like gunzip and bunzip2, unpacking them to the directory of the source file. For consistency, we could make it unpack them

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Michał Górny schrieb: If you have / encrypted, then you can leave /usr unencrypted as it contains no secrets. That's doing things upside-down. You should encrypt the data needing encryption, not the other way. This usually means /home which is separate more often than /usr. That is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:27:27AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time now[1][2][3] [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364235 [2]

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:28:56 -0400 as excerpted: Is there any kind of consensus in the FOSS community beyond Gentoo that FHS has had its day? What is the policy for other distros? From what I see on the general blogs, yes, /current/ FHS has had its day. HOWEVER, one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30-07-2011 22:17, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:27:27AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/31/2011 03:59 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 30-07-2011 22:17, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:27:27AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-07-30 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 04:40:33AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 07/31/2011 03:59 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 30-07-2011 22:17, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:27:27AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: Since running separate /usr without mounting it from