On Fri, 4 May 2012 22:23:31 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> > There's all kinds of reasons to not use autotools-utils.eclass.
> > I wouldn't want to see another python.eclass bullying around the tree.
>
>504 autotools-utils.eclass
> 3186 python.eclass
>
> Do you have any real arguments?
I th
Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:02:01AM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
>> On 03/05/12 18:22, Mike Frysinger wrote:
(As soon I have some time I might dabble with a dbus integration for mdev)
>>>
>>> we would have to make mdev available as a sep package then ... don't want
>>> busybox i
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
wrote:
> I'd say that Android is an operating system based on Linux. It is not
> 'the Linux "stack"'.
> I think he was wondering whether the lock-in between dbus, udev and the
> Linux kernel will reach proportions where they will be dist
On Friday 04 May 2012 21:06:52 Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:58:24PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > Remember, you are passing the complexity of insisting that you do not
> > want these things to the people managing the packages and trying to
> > support the system in so many different comb
Greg KH schrieb:
> On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 09:27:05PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
>> On 05/04/12 20:58, Greg KH wrote:
>>> Why do we really care about non-udev and non-dbus users? It's only
>>> going to get worse and worse if people don't want to use these core,
>>> base libaries of the Linux "stack
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 09:27:05PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 05/04/12 20:58, Greg KH wrote:
> > Why do we really care about non-udev and non-dbus users? It's only
> > going to get worse and worse if people don't want to use these core,
> > base libaries of the Linux "stack".
>
> I was under
On 05/04/12 20:58, Greg KH wrote:
> Why do we really care about non-udev and non-dbus users? It's only
> going to get worse and worse if people don't want to use these core,
> base libaries of the Linux "stack".
I was under the impression that in order for there to be a Linux stack,
the Linux tre
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:58:24PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 12:39:40PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
> > On 04/05/12 11:37, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> > > On 5/4/12 8:21 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> > >> My 2 cents: The Chromium project really doesn't have any motivation to
> > >
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 03:50:24PM +0100, Steven J Long wrote:
> >> To confirm again, that this is about without initramfs:
> >> sure i can. maintain old udev-XXX forever, put an elog in new
> >> udev that says "if you want separate /usr without initramfs, install old
> >> udev, mask new, or whate
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:02:01AM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 03/05/12 18:22, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >> (As soon I have some time I might dabble with a dbus integration for mdev)
> >
> > we would have to make mdev available as a sep package then ... don't want
> > busybox itself linking aga
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:52:33PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets
> > called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to mdev.
>
> That's my idea =)
and then, look, you have reimplemented udev
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 12:39:40PM -0700, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 04/05/12 11:37, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> > On 5/4/12 8:21 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> >> My 2 cents: The Chromium project really doesn't have any motivation to
> >> make it optional since their end product is Google Chrome and the
On 04/05/12 14:35, Walter Dnes wrote:
> What could work is a shim or compatability layer that gets
> called, and pre-processes requests and forwards them to mdev.
That's my idea =)
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On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:22:11PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote
> we would have to make mdev available as a sep package then ... don't
> want busybox itself linking against anything beyond the C library.
Busybox, including its mdev functionality, is targetted at small and
embedded systems. I do
On Fri, 4 May 2012 06:50:12 +0200
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:06:08 -0700
> Zac Medico wrote:
>
> > On 04/25/2012 09:45 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> > > Could we detect user patches touching autoconf files somehow,
> > > maybe by hashing them beforehand
> >
> > There's an impleme
On 05/04/2012 08:20 AM, Steven J Long wrote:
> Zac Medico wrote:
>
>> On 04/22/2012 10:55 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>>> On 04/22/2012 05:28 AM, Steven J Long wrote:
From the first reply:
"To clarify, the question is whether or not we support a separate /usr
_without_ mounting it
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 04 May 2012 15:25:58 David Leverton wrote:
If it really is just for joysticks etc it might be worth seeing if it
can be made to use XInput instead. Maybe upstream had a specific reason
not do it that way in the first place, but in general, X apps really
shouldn't
On Friday 04 May 2012 15:25:58 David Leverton wrote:
> Luca Barbato wrote:
> > On 03/05/12 16:18, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >> you need to think bigger. Chromium supports joystick inputs (which come
> >> and go) for playing games in the browser, so udev makes sense.
> >
> > So is it using libudev t
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On 04/05/12 11:37, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> On 5/4/12 8:21 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> My 2 cents: The Chromium project really doesn't have any motivation to
>> make it optional since their end product is Google Chrome and they
>> target a given ver
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Johannes Huber wrote:
> Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 14:41:42 schrieb Mike Gilbert:
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, hasufell wrote:
>> > On 05/04/2012 08:00 PM, Johannes Huber wrote:
>> >> Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 18:30:10 schrieb hasufell:
>> >>> # @ECLASS-VARIABLE
On Friday 04 May 2012 05:43:55 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> =dev-util/pkgconfig- with USE="internal-glib" in Portage. I'm
> hoping this will render the pkg-config-lite useless so we can drop it.
>
> I'm very much intrested in knowing if this matches the requirements for
> doing so, so I can decid
Luca Barbato wrote:
On 03/05/12 16:18, Mike Frysinger wrote:
you need to think bigger. Chromium supports joystick inputs (which come and
go) for playing games in the browser, so udev makes sense.
So is it using libudev to get that information? I guess would be
possible to patch it out, probab
Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 14:41:42 schrieb Mike Gilbert:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, hasufell wrote:
> > On 05/04/2012 08:00 PM, Johannes Huber wrote:
> >> Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 18:30:10 schrieb hasufell:
> >>> # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: CMAKE_VERBOSE # @DESCRIPTION: # Set to enable
> >>> verbose
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On 04/05/12 11:35, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> On 5/4/12 8:02 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:
>> I consider dbus still not reliable for core services.
>
> Just curious - why? I just have no idea about how dbus works or what are
> possible problems with it.
On 5/4/12 8:21 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> My 2 cents: The Chromium project really doesn't have any motivation to
> make it optional since their end product is Google Chrome and they
> target a given version of Ubuntu. I think a patch to make them
> optional might be accepted, but it probably isn't g
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, hasufell wrote:
> On 05/04/2012 08:00 PM, Johannes Huber wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 18:30:10 schrieb hasufell:
>>> # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: CMAKE_VERBOSE # @DESCRIPTION: # Set to enable
>>> verbose messages during compilation.
>>>
>>> By default this is deactivat
On 5/4/12 8:02 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:
> I consider dbus still not reliable for core services.
Just curious - why? I just have no idea about how dbus works or what are
possible problems with it.
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On 05/04/2012 08:00 PM, Johannes Huber wrote:
> Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 18:30:10 schrieb hasufell:
>> # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: CMAKE_VERBOSE # @DESCRIPTION: # Set to enable
>> verbose messages during compilation.
>>
>> By default this is deactivated which is inconvenient imo and
>> results in pastes h
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 04/05/12 01:37, Alec Warner wrote:
>> I would argue that the Chrome Team's idea of what a 'WEB BROWSER' is
>> and your idea of what a 'WEB BROWSER' is are vastly divergent. That is
>> totally OK and you are free to use whatever software you
On 04/05/12 01:37, Alec Warner wrote:
> I would argue that the Chrome Team's idea of what a 'WEB BROWSER' is
> and your idea of what a 'WEB BROWSER' is are vastly divergent. That is
> totally OK and you are free to use whatever software you prefer. I
> somehow doubt Chrom{e,ium} is losing tons of u
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On 03/05/12 18:22, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> (As soon I have some time I might dabble with a dbus integration for mdev)
>
> we would have to make mdev available as a sep package then ... don't want
> busybox itself linking against anything beyond the
Am Freitag, 4. Mai 2012, 18:30:10 schrieb hasufell:
> # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: CMAKE_VERBOSE
> # @DESCRIPTION:
> # Set to enable verbose messages during compilation.
>
> By default this is deactivated which is inconvenient imo and results in
> pastes having minimum information.
> I have to tell users e
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 04 May 2012 12:36:20 Steven J Long wrote:
>> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> > - this is why /etc/localtime is no longer a symlink to
>> > /usr/share/zoneinfo/
>>
>> - don't think that makes any difference to rescue situation.
>
> no, but that isn't the driving factor
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:04:11 +0100
> Steven J Long wrote:
>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> > No, what I actually say is *why* things don't work, and if it hasn't
>> > already been explained, I say how to fix it.
>> Oh? Where on Earth did you do that in this thread? All you've
On Friday 04 May 2012 12:36:20 Steven J Long wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > - this is why /etc/localtime is no longer a symlink to
> > /usr/share/zoneinfo/
>
> - don't think that makes any difference to rescue situation.
no, but that isn't the driving factor here. programs get executed befor
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 April 2012 12:10:05 Steven J Long wrote:
>> William Hubbs wrote:
>> > Another issue to consider is binaries that want to access things in
>> > /usr/share/*.
>>
>> I'm ignorant of which binaries do that?
>
> off the top of my head:
Ah thanks, this is what
# @ECLASS-VARIABLE: CMAKE_VERBOSE
# @DESCRIPTION:
# Set to enable verbose messages during compilation.
By default this is deactivated which is inconvenient imo and results in
pastes having minimum information.
I have to tell users every time to recompile with CMAKE_VERBOSE=1 so
that I have proper
On Friday 04 May 2012 05:30:31 Jeff Horelick wrote:
> If anyone would like to help me converting random packages/categories,
> it would be GREATLY appreciated. This is difficult work and it has
> literally taken up almost all of my free time for the past 2 days or
> so, but I have well over half th
Zac Medico wrote:
> On 04/22/2012 10:55 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On 04/22/2012 05:28 AM, Steven J Long wrote:
>>> From the first reply:
>>>
>>> "To clarify, the question is whether or not we support a separate /usr
>>> _without_ mounting it early via an initramfs."
>>>
>>> I hope that settles th
Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On 04/22/2012 05:28 AM, Steven J Long wrote:
>> "To clarify, the question is whether or not we support a separate /usr
>> _without_ mounting it early via an initramfs."
>>
>> I hope that settles that particular issue.
>>
>
> Hmm... I see that in Zac's reply, thanks for tha
Walter Dnes wrote:
> Steven J Long wrote
>
>> who's going to either "port" udev as necessary, or maintain
>> an old version forever?
>> I will keep an old version going until the end of time.
>> dberkholz: My plan is to patch reasonable behaviour back into
>> udev, and going with the upstream
On 04/30/2012 01:11 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
the canonical pkg-config is getting fat. it requires glib-2. it runs pkg-
config when building. glib-2 requires pkg-config. whee.
for our normal systems, this isn't a big deal. but we'd like to enable a
lighter alternative for embedded/alternati
On 2 May 2012 12:06, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Sunday 29 April 2012 18:11:58 Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> the canonical pkg-config is getting fat. it requires glib-2. it runs pkg-
>> we've got an implementation in perl (i'm not interested in), but there is
>> also "pkg-config-lite" and "pkgconf".
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 11:28:49AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
>
>> However, my whole point wasn't to throw stones at the chromium team -
>> I think that they've been doing a great job of fixing this problem,
>> and will continue to do so. I jus
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