[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Duncan
Ben de Groot posted on Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:51:50 +0800 as excerpted: > When upstream moved the udev sources to the systemd repo, they promised > that udev would continue to be able to be used separately from systemd. > We should hold them to that promise. > > If they break their promise (as it se

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 03:23, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Michał Górny schrieb: >> Hello, all. >> >> Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two >> libudev providers: >=sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making >> the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 02:30, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > the last thread started by mgorny has prompted me to ask here on the > list which versions of udev we really need in the tree. Personally, I'm holding on to 171. I have masked >=181 because of bad decisions upstream and I want to see how the

Re: [gentoo-dev] More packages looking for new maintainers

2012-07-10 Thread Matthew Marlowe
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Just a few more packages that I'm no longer using or for which I no > longer have hardware or so on so forth. Yes I'm still cleaning this > stuff up. > > Notes in brackets below a list. > * indicates a dependency of the described package

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread Matthew Marlowe
> I've looked at the kernel packages we have in /usr/portage, but have no > guide there either. If I go by gentoo-sources, I could get rid of all > but very recent versions of udev, but I have heard some things also > about people using older kernels. Also, vanilla-sources goes all the way > back t

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> I've looked at the kernel packages we have in /usr/portage, but have no > guide there either. If I go by gentoo-sources, I could get rid of all > but very recent versions of udev, but I have heard some things also > about people using older kernels. Also, vanilla-sources goes all the way > back t

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, all. > > Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two > libudev providers: >=sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making > the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev > which wou

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: > Hello, all. > > Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two > libudev providers: >=sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making > the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev > which would pull in either of those two. > > The

[gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread William Hubbs
All, the last thread started by mgorny has prompted me to ask here on the list which versions of udev we really need in the tree. I know that all versions before 133 must go because openrc has a requirement for at least that version. I've looked at the kernel packages we have in /usr/portage, bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:54:31 -0400 > Alexis Ballier wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:18:00 +0200 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > The former two were previously provided by 'extras' USE flag, > > > and the third was uncondition

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:54:31 -0400 Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:18:00 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > The former two were previously provided by 'extras' USE flag, > > and the third was unconditional. > > since udev-171 seems to be going stable, why not simply drop the > 'e

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:18:00 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > The former two were previously provided by 'extras' USE flag, > and the third was unconditional. since udev-171 seems to be going stable, why not simply drop the 'extras' compatibility ? then you could just use 'gudev?' usedeps it seems A

Re: [gentoo-dev] inittab with SIGPWR support

2012-07-10 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il 10/07/2012 18:44, James Cloos ha scritto: > I'm embarrased to have to say that I hadn't noticed that gentoo lacked power > lines in its inittab(5). They _are_ deprecated after all. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] inittab with SIGPWR support

2012-07-10 Thread James Cloos
> "DEP" == Diego Elio Pettenò writes: DEP> To have a better support for Gentoo lxc guests, it would be nice if our DEP> default inittab contained a line for handling SIGPWR sent to PID 1 to DEP> shut the system down. I'm embarrased to have to say that I hadn't noticed that gentoo lacked powe

[gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: >=sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev which would pull in either of those two. There are three USE flags used in conditi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:25 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 10 July 2012 11:03, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> You keep saying that, but do you have any actual data to back up >> that claim? There is no doubt that Chromium is a mainstream and >> p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:25 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 10 July 2012 11:03, Rich Freeman wrote: > > You keep saying that, but do you have any actual data to back up > that claim? There is no doubt that Chromium is a mainstream and > popular package, but I doubt if it is quite *that* popular as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 11:03, Rich Freeman wrote: > Yup, this issue hit anybody who has qt-webkit and chromium installed. > > I wouldn't be surprised if that is half of the entire userbase. I would be. > We ran into another confusing icu-related issue with qt-core a few > weeks ago (bug 413541). I can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 09:41, Zac Medico wrote: > On 07/09/2012 06:11 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> So, seems like there is still room for improvement... > > Aside from the obvious need to improve the portage behavior, we might > also want to consider enabling USE=icu by default in the profile. Enabling ic