On 19 January 2013 04:49, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
During the server profile discussion, it became clear that we could clean up
the base profiles a bit. This is unrelated to the profile versions, as the
change would affect all versions (well, at least without bigger
On 19 January 2013 08:01, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote:
I understand that enabling flags only affects packages if they’re
installed. I’m just saying that, in my opinion, sane-but-minimal should
have CUPS disabled because there are plenty of computers that would
want LibreOffice and/or
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't
see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a
minimal profile, and that includes the simple desktop profile. The kde
and gnome
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm not sure whether we need to keep cups at all. I haven't printed
anything from my personal PC or laptop in years. And I'm sure I'm not
the only one.
Won't repeat my previous email, but this is the kind of situation
where
On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't
see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a
minimal profile, and
On 17 January 2013 22:45, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
How many packages are we talking about? Especially if you don't want qwt
to join there, I assume we're way below 50? If so I would vote nay to
any new category at all, to be honest.
Roughly 40 is the current estimate.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
The thing is you would practically never have to do this. Users
install apps that have a number of qt modules as dependencies. These
qt modules in turn cannot be updated individually (unless there is an
ebuild revision
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò
flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
Some of us, including me, are also wondering why a separate category
is needed — while you might be over the median, it doesn't mean it's
that much more compelling — indeed my feeling is that it would be an
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe x11-qt, or dev-qt, or just qt, or qt-qt if we must have a hyphen
for its own sake and we're just making senseless stuff up. qt-core
just doesn't make sense if it applies to more than just qt-core.
I actually love
On 01/19/2013 09:39 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe x11-qt, or dev-qt, or just qt, or qt-qt if we must have a hyphen
for its own sake and we're just making senseless stuff up. qt-core
just doesn't make sense if it
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it?
I was thinking about that. A lib-misc, lib-x11, lib-qt, and so on
organization actually makes more sense to me than what we're doing
with libs in
On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it?
These are libraries and applications that are used by developers of
end-user applications.
If there is too much opposition to a simple qt category (at least
On 01/19/2013 03:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it?
These are libraries and applications that are used by developers of
end-user applications.
And so is vim, which
Ben de Groot posted on Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:14:48 +0800 as excerpted:
On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about
it?
These are libraries and applications that are used by developers of
end-user
Ben de Groot posted on Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:47:58 +0800 as excerpted:
On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
wrote:
People who do have printers can always enable [USE=cups] themselves.
Unless we plan on
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:57:16 +0800
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages
in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further
in modularization, so we expect the number of packages to grow much
more. We,
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On 01/19/2013 12:05 PM, Duncan wrote:
Ben de Groot posted on Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:47:58 +0800 as excerpted:
On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Hello,
We -- the Python team -- would like to add the first masks to the new
profiles. As a test target, I have chosen the python_targets_pypy1_9
flag.
I have prepared and committed the necessary changes to my CVS checkout
[1]. I would appreciate if you could review them and tell me if they
are
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:07:42AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:33:13AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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On 1/15/13 4:55 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:34:42 -0800
Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm trying to make Chromium be more compatible with more versions of
ffmpeg:
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/topic/chromium-dev/fm5Oe_AC3Sc/discussion
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On 19/01/13 05:33 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
wrote:
I'm not sure whether we need to keep cups at all. I haven't
printed anything from my personal PC or laptop in years. And I'm
sure
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On 19/01/13 05:47 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
Actually, that is what I would expect from the more basic
oriented ones like Arch and Debian. Printer support should be an
optional add-on, not part of the basic install. Maybe I'm too
idealistic...
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On 19/01/13 05:56 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
And if you really must, is emerge qt/gui so much more difficult
than emerge qt-gui?
..no, but having to specify media-libs/phonon now because qt/phonon
conflicts (just one of probably many examples)
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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe x11-qt, or dev-qt, or just qt, or qt-qt if we must have a
hyphen for its own sake and we're just making senseless stuff up.
qt-core just doesn't make sense if it applies
On Jan 19, 2013 5:19 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:57:16 +0800
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages
in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further
in
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm not sure whether we need to keep cups at all.
I haven't printed anything from my personal PC or laptop in years.
As a user, I'ld say this wb a very unpopular move with some of us.
I rarely use my 2nd-hand 1995 printer,
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On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it?
These are libraries and applications
that are used by developers of end-user applications.
They are also encountered by users
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 03:53:25PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm not sure whether we need to keep cups at all.
I haven't printed anything from my personal PC or laptop in years.
As a user, I'ld say this wb a very
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 21:04 +, Aaron W. Swenson wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 03:53:25PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm not sure whether we need to keep cups at all.
I haven't printed anything from my personal PC
2013/1/19 Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org
But please don't double the qt.
yay for lib-cute/qt-core
2013/1/19 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:57:16 +0800
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages
in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further
in modularization, so we expect
2013/1/19 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org
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On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:33:13AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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This question only matters if you expect there to be non-desktops where
there are packages installed that IUSE dri.
I'd note that there is no correlation between the use of the desktop
profiles and the use of an X11 or wayland server on any given box.
The (gui) world is much more than
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 07:40:56PM -0500, James Cloos wrote:
This question only matters if you expect there to be non-desktops where
there are packages installed that IUSE dri.
I'd note that there is no correlation between the use of the desktop
profiles and the use of an X11 or wayland
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:09:29AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote
On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
wrote:
If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with
USE=-* and add on
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