Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init parameter. Where is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Luca Barbato
On 05/29/2013 10:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: There are a couple of other possible approaches... 1) If the 2 systems can achieve peacefull co-existance (i.e. no identically-named files with different contents) then simply have 2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: If users can already do it themselves, then why this entire thread? Why do we need eselect/whatever? The big argument in favour of eselect is that when the procedure for switching things changes, there's no need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: For the same reason we have all the other eselect modules. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/eselect/ Ironically, that project description even mentions init system... :) As someone else pointed out, not the same thing. Quoting: William Hubbs wrote: Yes, but the init system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: For the same reason we have all the other eselect modules. We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we want to use that argument. Looking at Duncan's reply, that has already happened in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we want to use that argument. Someone did, but unfortunately gcc-config is a big pile of poorly understood voodoo, so eclectic gcc ended up being

[gentoo-dev] 'Local' USE_EXPAND flags -- aka plugins are not that special

2013-05-30 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, I've did a quick statistic of how often USE_EXPAND flags are used. In order to obtain the results, I have put all known USE_EXPANDs into ${flags[@]} and then did: for a in ${flags[@]}; do echo -n $a: grep -l IUSE=.*${a}_ */* | xargs qatom | cut -d' ' -f1-2 | sort -u | wc -l

Re: [gentoo-dev] 'Local' USE_EXPAND flags -- aka plugins are not that special

2013-05-30 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 30/05/13 11:58, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, Only replying in behalf of xfce_plugins. Our policy has been always to + enable them by default as they are only used in Xfce specific packages So setting XFCE_PLUGINS= is a way to counter effect that policy This has worked well for us and I

Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE_EXPAND flag for www-servers/monkeyd

2013-05-30 Thread Ralph Sennhauser
On Tue, 28 May 2013 17:15:40 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 09:07:37PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: For the others, how large is the benefit of having them switchable? At least some of them look like something that wouldn't hurt people if it was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/05/13 02:46 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we want to use that argument. Someone did, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] 'Local' USE_EXPAND flags -- aka plugins are not that special

2013-05-30 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/2013 06:26 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 30/05/13 11:58, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, Only replying in behalf of xfce_plugins. Our policy has been always to + enable them by default as they are only used in Xfce specific packages So

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 08:35:22AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: Remember that eselect init is optional and an opt-in by emerging it, this is in no way suggested anywhere to become a default on all systems. Ok, that's cool then, I just would hate to see it become a default. William

[gentoo-dev] inittab was: Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 08:30:00AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Because it isn't just editing a file or rebuilding the kernel but also have a short trip in single mode to switch back and forth inittab. inittab is only used by sysvinit and busybox init right? If so, it is unfortunate that busybox

Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE_EXPAND: CLAWS_MAIL_PLUGINS

2013-05-30 Thread Zac Medico
On 04/24/2013 12:48 PM, René Neumann wrote: Am 24.04.2013 19:15, schrieb Zac Medico: On 04/24/2013 02:51 AM, René Neumann wrote: As more and more packages seem to (mis)use USE_EXPAND: Can we get the possibility to set this directly in package.use? Having to write 'claws_mail_plugins_foo' does

[gentoo-dev] Re: inittab was: Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-30 Thread Luca Barbato
On 05/30/2013 10:52 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 08:30:00AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Because it isn't just editing a file or rebuilding the kernel but also have a short trip in single mode to switch back and forth inittab. inittab is only used by sysvinit and busybox