Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Alexander V Vershilov wrote: > The main point that haskell ecosystem is very breaky and only latest > version is supported, so > the safest path is to be on a bleeding edge and patch inconsistent > applications. So if one > package gets updated then commonly we nee

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: [patch]  bash-completion-r1.eclass: add support for pkg-config for migration to the new upstream defined bash-completion directories (prereq for bug 472938)

2013-06-12 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 13/06/13 07:58, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-06-13, o godz. 01:22:11 Samuli Suominen napisał(a): what $subject says, "add support for pkg-config for migration to the new upstream defined bash-completion directories (prereq for bug 472938)" http://bugs.gentoo.org/472938 ie. the pkg-confi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dnia 2013-06-12, o godz. 13:23:04 Michael Orlitzky napisał(a): > We need worse support for overlays, i.e. no. Having to use >3 overlays > defeats the purpose of a QA'd tree. Everything in an (official) > overlay should be in package.mask instead. T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-12 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-06-13, o godz. 09:35:54 "Dennis Lan (dlan)" napisał(a): > also > 4) app-admin/conserver > 5) net-nds/ypbind > 6) net-fs/samba > 7) net-analyzer/scli > 8) net-analyzer/traceproto > 6) net-misc/siproxd > > use dmalloc but controlled under USE=debug Do those use USE=debug solely fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: [patch]  bash-completion-r1.eclass: add support for pkg-config for migration to the new upstream defined bash-completion directories (prereq for bug 472938)

2013-06-12 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-06-13, o godz. 01:22:11 Samuli Suominen napisał(a): > what $subject says, > > "add support for pkg-config for migration to the new upstream defined > bash-completion directories (prereq for bug 472938)" > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/472938 > > ie. the pkg-config file shipped *now* in p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Alexander V Vershilov
> The main reason it isn't is because nobody wants to use CVS. For good > examples, see sunrise or > gentoo-haskell. As a part of gentoo-haskell team, I'd like to say that CVS issue is not strongest one, there are much more meaningful reasons for having much stuff in overlays at least for haskell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Ah btw how's that git migration coming along? > Even though we're drifting here an update is probably due. At this point I'd say we have pretty high confidence that we can accurately migrate the tree. The issues that remain shouldn'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-12 Thread Kent Fredric
On 13 June 2013 13:35, Dennis Lan (dlan) wrote: > HI ALL: >Is it ok to introduce USE=dmalloc global flag? description as following > "dmalloc - Enable debugging with the dmalloc library" > > current consumers: > 1) net-fs/autofs > 2) net-misc/directvnc > 3) sci-biology/yass > > also > 4)

[gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-12 Thread Dennis Lan (dlan)
HI ALL: Is it ok to introduce USE=dmalloc global flag? description as following "dmalloc - Enable debugging with the dmalloc library" current consumers: 1) net-fs/autofs 2) net-misc/directvnc 3) sci-biology/yass also 4) app-admin/conserver 5) net-nds/ypbind 6) net-fs/samba 7) net-analyz

Re: TLDR: rant in support of overlays (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays)

2013-06-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/12/2013 06:31 PM, Greg Turner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Michael Orlitzky > wrote: >> On 06/12/2013 01:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell >>> wrote: > Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs better package > managemen

TLDR: rant in support of overlays (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays)

2013-06-12 Thread Greg Turner
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 06/12/2013 01:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell >> wrote: Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs better package management support for overlays? >> >>> No. >> > > We need wor

[gentoo-dev] rfc: [patch]  bash-completion-r1.eclass: add support for pkg-config for migration to the new upstream defined bash-completion directories (prereq for bug 472938)

2013-06-12 Thread Samuli Suominen
what $subject says, "add support for pkg-config for migration to the new upstream defined bash-completion directories (prereq for bug 472938)" http://bugs.gentoo.org/472938 ie. the pkg-config file shipped *now* in portage is a hack from me to postpone this pretty tired so more eyes is cool

RE: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread gmt
> -Original Message- > From: Michał Górny [mailto:mgo...@gentoo.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:51 AM > To: Gentoo Developer Mailing List > Subject: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays > Hello, > > I'd like to raise another issue I've met again recently. Shor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2013, 18:59:48 schrieb hasufell: > On 06/12/2013 06:51 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Teams, what are the main reasons for keeping that much stuff in > > overlays? > > It's a mix of easier workflow especially for contributors and less > responsibility/noise in case of bugs. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2013 01:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell > wrote: >>> Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs better package >>> management support for overlays? > >> No. > > You make a persuasive argument.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2013 07:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell > wrote: >>> Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs better package >>> management support for overlays? > >> No. > > You make a persuasive argument.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell wrote: > > Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs better package > > management support for overlays? > > No. You make a persuasive argument. I realise now that the Summer of Code projects for this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2013 07:02 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:59:48 +0200 hasufell > wrote: >> On 06/12/2013 06:51 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> >>> Teams, what are the main reasons for keeping that much stuff >>> in overlays? >>> > >> It's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:59:48 +0200 hasufell wrote: > On 06/12/2013 06:51 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > Teams, what are the main reasons for keeping that much stuff in > > overlays? > > > > It's a mix of easier workflow especially for contributors

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2013 06:51 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Teams, what are the main reasons for keeping that much stuff in > overlays? > It's a mix of easier workflow especially for contributors and less responsibility/noise in case of bugs. If there is a bug

[gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, I'd like to raise another issue I've met again recently. Shortly put, some of our projects are relying too much on their overlays. The net result is that some of their packages in the tree are not well-tested, semi-broken and users end up being hurt by that. The major project where this ca