Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 19 July 2013 16:46, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 2013-07-19, o godz. 16:11:52 > > Markos Chandras napisał(a): > > > >> On 19 July 2013 16:04, Ian Delaney (idella4) > wrote: > >> > +# Ian Delaney (17 July 2013) > >> > +# Selection of IUSE flags for bin build. > >> > +dev-python/pypy-bin bzip2 ncurses sqlite ssl xml > >> > >> I don't understand that. Why not use +bzip2 +ncurses +sqlite +ssl +xml > >> in the ebuild? > > > > I guess that's because they are not optional :). > > > > So why are these features behind use flags? > Wild guess: It's -bin. It's built with those flags. You can't choose to install it with flags other than what it was built with.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:05:35 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
>> > So why are these features behind use flags?
>>
>> For compatibility with ${PYTHON_USEDEP}.
>
> Why not fix PYTHON_USEDEP?
>
An alternative would be insert some logic in the python eclasses to
parse PYTHON_REQ_USE, and generate different dependencies for pypy-bin
versus the rest of the python implementations. Or maybe redesign the
way we handle that entirely.
In any case, pypy-bin was added to the tree without any thought as to
how to implement the eclass changes, so I have removed it and reverted
the changes to package.use.force.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On 19 July 2013 16:46, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2013-07-19, o godz. 16:11:52 > Markos Chandras napisał(a): > >> On 19 July 2013 16:04, Ian Delaney (idella4) wrote: >> > idella4 13/07/19 15:04:28 >> > >> > Modified: ChangeLog package.use.force >> > Log: >> > Add entry to force use flags for pypy-bin >> > >> > Revision ChangesPath >> > 1.565profiles/base/ChangeLog >> > >> > file : >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&view=markup >> > plain: >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&content-type=text/plain >> > diff : >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?r1=1.564&r2=1.565 >> > >> > Index: ChangeLog >> > === >> > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v >> > retrieving revision 1.564 >> > retrieving revision 1.565 >> > diff -u -r1.564 -r1.565 >> > --- ChangeLog 17 Jul 2013 15:23:53 - 1.564 >> > +++ ChangeLog 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.565 >> > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ >> > # ChangeLog for Gentoo base-profile >> > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2 >> > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.564 >> > 2013/07/17 15:23:53 chithanh Exp $ >> > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.565 >> > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ >> > + >> > + 19 Jul 2013; Ian Delaney >> > + package.use.force: >> > + Add flags for new pypy-bin >> > >> >17 Jul 2013; Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn >> >package.use.mask: >> > >> > >> > >> > 1.37 profiles/base/package.use.force >> > >> > file : >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&view=markup >> > plain: >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&content-type=text/plain >> > diff : >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?r1=1.36&r2=1.37 >> > >> > Index: package.use.force >> > === >> > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v >> > retrieving revision 1.36 >> > retrieving revision 1.37 >> > diff -u -r1.36 -r1.37 >> > --- package.use.force 9 Jul 2013 17:47:25 - 1.36 >> > +++ package.use.force 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.37 >> > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ >> > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation >> > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 >> > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.36 >> > 2013/07/09 17:47:25 graaff Exp $ >> > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.37 >> > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ >> > + >> > +# Ian Delaney (17 July 2013) >> > +# Selection of IUSE flags for bin build. >> > +dev-python/pypy-bin bzip2 ncurses sqlite ssl xml >> > >> > # Michał Gorny (26 Feb 2013) >> > # Meta-packages which use multilib ebuilds always install development >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I don't understand that. Why not use +bzip2 +ncurses +sqlite +ssl +xml >> in the ebuild? > > I guess that's because they are not optional :). > So why are these features behind use flags? -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
Dnia 2013-07-19, o godz. 16:53:00
Markos Chandras napisał(a):
> On 19 July 2013 16:46, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Dnia 2013-07-19, o godz. 16:11:52
> > Markos Chandras napisał(a):
> >
> >> On 19 July 2013 16:04, Ian Delaney (idella4) wrote:
> >> > idella4 13/07/19 15:04:28
> >> >
> >> > Modified: ChangeLog package.use.force
> >> > Log:
> >> > Add entry to force use flags for pypy-bin
> >> >
> >> > Revision ChangesPath
> >> > 1.565profiles/base/ChangeLog
> >> >
> >> > file :
> >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&view=markup
> >> > plain:
> >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&content-type=text/plain
> >> > diff :
> >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?r1=1.564&r2=1.565
> >> >
> >> > Index: ChangeLog
> >> > ===
> >> > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v
> >> > retrieving revision 1.564
> >> > retrieving revision 1.565
> >> > diff -u -r1.564 -r1.565
> >> > --- ChangeLog 17 Jul 2013 15:23:53 - 1.564
> >> > +++ ChangeLog 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.565
> >> > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@
> >> > # ChangeLog for Gentoo base-profile
> >> > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2
> >> > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.564
> >> > 2013/07/17 15:23:53 chithanh Exp $
> >> > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.565
> >> > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $
> >> > +
> >> > + 19 Jul 2013; Ian Delaney
> >> > + package.use.force:
> >> > + Add flags for new pypy-bin
> >> >
> >> >17 Jul 2013; Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> >> >package.use.mask:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 1.37 profiles/base/package.use.force
> >> >
> >> > file :
> >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&view=markup
> >> > plain:
> >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&content-type=text/plain
> >> > diff :
> >> > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?r1=1.36&r2=1.37
> >> >
> >> > Index: package.use.force
> >> > ===
> >> > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v
> >> > retrieving revision 1.36
> >> > retrieving revision 1.37
> >> > diff -u -r1.36 -r1.37
> >> > --- package.use.force 9 Jul 2013 17:47:25 - 1.36
> >> > +++ package.use.force 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.37
> >> > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@
> >> > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation
> >> > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
> >> > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v
> >> > 1.36 2013/07/09 17:47:25 graaff Exp $
> >> > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v
> >> > 1.37 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $
> >> > +
> >> > +# Ian Delaney (17 July 2013)
> >> > +# Selection of IUSE flags for bin build.
> >> > +dev-python/pypy-bin bzip2 ncurses sqlite ssl xml
> >> >
> >> > # Michał Gorny (26 Feb 2013)
> >> > # Meta-packages which use multilib ebuilds always install development
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't understand that. Why not use +bzip2 +ncurses +sqlite +ssl +xml
> >> in the ebuild?
> >
> > I guess that's because they are not optional :).
> >
>
> So why are these features behind use flags?
For compatibility with ${PYTHON_USEDEP}. And supposedly we may add more
optionality in the future. That is, if someone has enough resources to
thoroughly investigate the differences between various USE
configurations of pypy.
--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:05:35 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> > So why are these features behind use flags?
>
> For compatibility with ${PYTHON_USEDEP}.
Why not fix PYTHON_USEDEP?
--
Ciaran McCreesh
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
Dnia 2013-07-19, o godz. 16:11:52 Markos Chandras napisał(a): > On 19 July 2013 16:04, Ian Delaney (idella4) wrote: > > idella4 13/07/19 15:04:28 > > > > Modified: ChangeLog package.use.force > > Log: > > Add entry to force use flags for pypy-bin > > > > Revision ChangesPath > > 1.565profiles/base/ChangeLog > > > > file : > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&view=markup > > plain: > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&content-type=text/plain > > diff : > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?r1=1.564&r2=1.565 > > > > Index: ChangeLog > > === > > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v > > retrieving revision 1.564 > > retrieving revision 1.565 > > diff -u -r1.564 -r1.565 > > --- ChangeLog 17 Jul 2013 15:23:53 - 1.564 > > +++ ChangeLog 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.565 > > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ > > # ChangeLog for Gentoo base-profile > > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2 > > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.564 > > 2013/07/17 15:23:53 chithanh Exp $ > > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.565 > > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ > > + > > + 19 Jul 2013; Ian Delaney > > + package.use.force: > > + Add flags for new pypy-bin > > > >17 Jul 2013; Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn > >package.use.mask: > > > > > > > > 1.37 profiles/base/package.use.force > > > > file : > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&view=markup > > plain: > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&content-type=text/plain > > diff : > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?r1=1.36&r2=1.37 > > > > Index: package.use.force > > === > > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v > > retrieving revision 1.36 > > retrieving revision 1.37 > > diff -u -r1.36 -r1.37 > > --- package.use.force 9 Jul 2013 17:47:25 - 1.36 > > +++ package.use.force 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.37 > > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ > > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation > > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.36 > > 2013/07/09 17:47:25 graaff Exp $ > > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.37 > > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ > > + > > +# Ian Delaney (17 July 2013) > > +# Selection of IUSE flags for bin build. > > +dev-python/pypy-bin bzip2 ncurses sqlite ssl xml > > > > # Michał Gorny (26 Feb 2013) > > # Meta-packages which use multilib ebuilds always install development > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand that. Why not use +bzip2 +ncurses +sqlite +ssl +xml > in the ebuild? I guess that's because they are not optional :). -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On 19/07/13 11:46 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2013-07-19, o godz. 16:11:52 > Markos Chandras napisał(a): > >> On 19 July 2013 16:04, Ian Delaney (idella4) wrote: >>> idella4 13/07/19 15:04:28 >>> >>> Modified: ChangeLog package.use.force >>> Log: >>> Add entry to force use flags for pypy-bin >>> >>> Revision ChangesPath >>> 1.565profiles/base/ChangeLog >>> >>> file : >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&view=markup >>> plain: >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&content-type=text/plain >>> diff : >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?r1=1.564&r2=1.565 >>> >>> Index: ChangeLog >>> === >>> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v >>> retrieving revision 1.564 >>> retrieving revision 1.565 >>> diff -u -r1.564 -r1.565 >>> --- ChangeLog 17 Jul 2013 15:23:53 - 1.564 >>> +++ ChangeLog 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.565 >>> @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ >>> # ChangeLog for Gentoo base-profile >>> # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2 >>> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.564 >>> 2013/07/17 15:23:53 chithanh Exp $ >>> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.565 >>> 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ >>> + >>> + 19 Jul 2013; Ian Delaney >>> + package.use.force: >>> + Add flags for new pypy-bin >>> >>>17 Jul 2013; Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn >>>package.use.mask: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1.37 profiles/base/package.use.force >>> >>> file : >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&view=markup >>> plain: >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&content-type=text/plain >>> diff : >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?r1=1.36&r2=1.37 >>> >>> Index: package.use.force >>> === >>> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v >>> retrieving revision 1.36 >>> retrieving revision 1.37 >>> diff -u -r1.36 -r1.37 >>> --- package.use.force 9 Jul 2013 17:47:25 - 1.36 >>> +++ package.use.force 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.37 >>> @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ >>> # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation >>> # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 >>> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.36 >>> 2013/07/09 17:47:25 graaff Exp $ >>> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.37 >>> 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ >>> + >>> +# Ian Delaney (17 July 2013) >>> +# Selection of IUSE flags for bin build. >>> +dev-python/pypy-bin bzip2 ncurses sqlite ssl xml >>> >>> # Michał Gorny (26 Feb 2013) >>> # Meta-packages which use multilib ebuilds always install development >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> I don't understand that. Why not use +bzip2 +ncurses +sqlite +ssl +xml >> in the ebuild? > > I guess that's because they are not optional :). > I still don't understand. If they are required to build pypy-bin, why are they USE flags? If they are not required, but build breaks without them, then there should be a bug #. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:58:05 -0500 Gordon Pettey wrote: > > So why are these features behind use flags? > > Wild guess: It's -bin. It's built with those flags. You can't choose > to install it with flags other than what it was built with. So why does it have use flags? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Running tests using virtualx.eclass should be allowed to be forced to run in virtual X always
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Even though there is that 1% of cases in where you want to have > non-deterministic tests. For instance, if you want to run the same > test thousands of times and randomly pick an initial state to see if > you spot a "scenario" in where you have problems (concurrency > problems)... :-) > Not during packaging. Those are developer tests. Yes there are difference between the two. But as Ian said, we're off-topic now ;) Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/base: ChangeLog package.use.force
On 19 July 2013 16:04, Ian Delaney (idella4) wrote: > idella4 13/07/19 15:04:28 > > Modified: ChangeLog package.use.force > Log: > Add entry to force use flags for pypy-bin > > Revision ChangesPath > 1.565profiles/base/ChangeLog > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?rev=1.565&content-type=text/plain > diff : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog?r1=1.564&r2=1.565 > > Index: ChangeLog > === > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v > retrieving revision 1.564 > retrieving revision 1.565 > diff -u -r1.564 -r1.565 > --- ChangeLog 17 Jul 2013 15:23:53 - 1.564 > +++ ChangeLog 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.565 > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ > # ChangeLog for Gentoo base-profile > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2 > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.564 > 2013/07/17 15:23:53 chithanh Exp $ > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/ChangeLog,v 1.565 > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ > + > + 19 Jul 2013; Ian Delaney > + package.use.force: > + Add flags for new pypy-bin > >17 Jul 2013; Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn >package.use.mask: > > > > 1.37 profiles/base/package.use.force > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?rev=1.37&content-type=text/plain > diff : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force?r1=1.36&r2=1.37 > > Index: package.use.force > === > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v > retrieving revision 1.36 > retrieving revision 1.37 > diff -u -r1.36 -r1.37 > --- package.use.force 9 Jul 2013 17:47:25 - 1.36 > +++ package.use.force 19 Jul 2013 15:04:28 - 1.37 > @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@ > # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation > # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.36 > 2013/07/09 17:47:25 graaff Exp $ > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/package.use.force,v 1.37 > 2013/07/19 15:04:28 idella4 Exp $ > + > +# Ian Delaney (17 July 2013) > +# Selection of IUSE flags for bin build. > +dev-python/pypy-bin bzip2 ncurses sqlite ssl xml > > # Michał Gorny (26 Feb 2013) > # Meta-packages which use multilib ebuilds always install development > > > > I don't understand that. Why not use +bzip2 +ncurses +sqlite +ssl +xml in the ebuild? -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
Re: [gentoo-dev] Running tests using virtualx.eclass should be allowed to be forced to run in virtual X always
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19/07/13 08:20 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò > wrote: >> [...] > >> And non-deterministic tests are stupid, useless, broken tests. > > Amen. Even though there is that 1% of cases in where you want to > have non-deterministic tests. For instance, if you want to run the > same test thousands of times and randomly pick an initial state to > see if you spot a "scenario" in where you have problems > (concurrency problems)... :-) You still want those tests to be deterministic though -- ie, imo it's better to run through a very large set of test-cases in some sort of repeatable order, than to rely on randomization. At least then you know the cases where it succeeds and the cases where it is unknown/untested. ..but this is getting off-topic. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlHpPGwACgkQ2ugaI38ACPD4TgD+MQJwHU4U6mT98Gz28WzuCK0Q U6P5h1PzJVWdU1Zpd58A/R1TEhIXMX2P/NV3w2wHerdVQKyrX2/CqjQyHTKhd7AC =jUtf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Running tests using virtualx.eclass should be allowed to be forced to run in virtual X always
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > [...] > And non-deterministic tests are stupid, useless, broken tests. Amen. Even though there is that 1% of cases in where you want to have non-deterministic tests. For instance, if you want to run the same test thousands of times and randomly pick an initial state to see if you spot a "scenario" in where you have problems (concurrency problems)... :-) > > > Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes > flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ -- Fabio Erculiani
Re: [gentoo-dev] Running tests using virtualx.eclass should be allowed to be forced to run in virtual X always
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Wouldn't be better to make that tests *always* use virtual X? As Patrick said, yes, if they don't they are broken. Especially so if Xvfb does not represent a modern X anymore, as that would mean that tests will behave differently depending on where you launch them. And non-deterministic tests are stupid, useless, broken tests. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
Re: [gentoo-dev] Running tests using virtualx.eclass should be allowed to be forced to run in virtual X always
Pacho Ramos schrieb: > Wouldn't be better to make that tests *always* use virtual X? One issue could be that Xvfb is not very representative of a modern X server any more. I am not sure how this affects the validity of the test results. This problem however exists already with all virtualx users on headless machines (bug 409925 might address this to some degree). You are right that using always Xvfb would be much less annoying to someone running tests on his desktop computer. Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Re: [gentoo-dev] Running tests using virtualx.eclass should be allowed to be forced to run in virtual X always
On 07/19/2013 02:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > The problem I hit usually: > > There are some packages that rely on X for some tests, that way, when I > for example emerge tk, it's nearly impossible to keep working because I > get tons of windows opened and closed. > > Wouldn't be better to make that tests *always* use virtual X? Yes. Any that do not are defective and need to be fixed.
