Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > And now for something completely different ... drum roll ... Really! We > have to have a council vote on whether bc goes into stage3? If this does go > to the council, then I want a pre-vote vote: should we bounce the decision > back to

Re: [gentoo-dev] commit message format change on the wiki

2014-09-27 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, William Hubbs wrote: > I would like to suggest a couple of changes to the "commit message > format" section of the Gentoo git Workflow page on the wiki. > The first bullet, which states that all lines have a max length of > 70-75 characters is not quite correct. The bri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/27/14 18:46, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: What is really needed here is a vote by the Council on whether to add bc back to the stage3. If the people do insist, another vote regarding adding or changing an editor to stage3 could be done as well.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: ChangeLog perl-module.eclass

2014-09-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 04:52:56PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > > Modified: ChangeLog perl-module.eclass > > > Log: > > > Remove support for EAPI 1, 2, 3 in perl-module.eclass (no packages left > > > in the tree) > > This could have used some kind of heads-up. Now I'm

[gentoo-dev] commit message format change on the wiki

2014-09-27 Thread William Hubbs
All, I would like to suggest a couple of changes to the "commit message format" section of the Gentoo git Workflow page on the wiki. The first bullet, which states that all lines have a max length of 70-75 characters is not quite correct. The brief explanation (the first line) is supposed to be 5

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote: > Yes, if you do create a one-on-one mapping then it becomes possible. > The question becomes "does every herd want to become a > (sub)project?". Another example: The Emacs project maintains two herds "emacs" and "xemacs", for GNU Emacs and XEmacs rel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > What is really needed here is a vote by the Council on whether to add bc > back to the stage3. If the people do insist, another vote regarding > adding or changing an editor to stage3 could be done as well. > The call for agenda goes out on

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > The question becomes "does every herd want to become a (sub)project?". > So, there was some discussion on -dev, apparently some discussion I wasn't a part of, and some that I was (such is the nature of IRC). I think it would make sense to tak

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-28, o godz. 00:13:15 Tom Wijsman napisał(a): > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:54:48 -0400 > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > > > The hardened project has two herds: hardened and hardened-kernel, the > > former for toolchain related stuff and the latter for the kernel. We > > really need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:54:48 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > The hardened project has two herds: hardened and hardened-kernel, the > former for toolchain related stuff and the latter for the kernel. We > really need to keep that distinction. So mapping herds to projects > doesn't work. B

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/27/14 17:35, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more people instead of that alias.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: > > Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant > > I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. Vim is not fully POSIX compliant; you may find it claim "mostly" in its do

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 23:41:04 schrieb Tom Wijsman: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:11:57 -0400 > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > Is there some policy that says that a project cannot be a maintainer? > > Is there some policy that says that a herd cannot be a herd? Only for sufficiently small value

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:11:57 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Is there some policy that says that a project cannot be a maintainer? Is there some policy that says that a herd cannot be a herd?

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers > wrote: > > > > Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your > > proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more people instead of > > that alias. > > > > That is incorre

[gentoo-dev] last rites: Perl 5.16 and friends

2014-09-27 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
# Andreas K. Huettel (27 Sep 2014) # Masked for removal in 30 days; see e.g. bug 446376 # Please upgrade to stable Perl 5.18 =dev-lang/perl-5.16.3 =virtual/perl-ExtUtils-Install-1.580.0-r1 =virtual/perl-File-Temp-0.220.0-r3 =virtual/perl-I18N-LangTags-0.380.0 =virtual/perl-Math-BigInt-1.998.0 =vi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: ChangeLog perl-module.eclass

2014-09-27 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 15:08:57 schrieb Michał Górny: > Dnia 2014-09-23, o godz. 16:52:56 > > "Andreas K. Huettel" napisał(a): > > > > Modified: ChangeLog perl-module.eclass > > > > Log: > > > > Remove support for EAPI 1, 2, 3 in perl-module.eclass (no packages > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread hasufell
Kent Fredric: > On 28 September 2014 00:22, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: > >> >> I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. > > > > http://i.imgur.com/qRNTQGi.png > We need a moderated development mailing list.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 09:11:57 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Is there some policy that says that a project cannot be a maintainer? I guess you missed an interesting discussion on #gentoo-dev today. jer

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 09/27/2014 08:51 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers >> wrote: >>> >>> Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your >>> proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more peop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/27/14 11:19, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 Luca Barbato wrote: Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. To restate this: There are numerous other uti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: >> Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant > > I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. > To restate this: There are numerous other utilities specified in POSIX which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Kent Fredric
On 28 September 2014 00:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. http://i.imgur.com/qRNTQGi.png -- Kent *KENTNL* - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 September 2014 20:40, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:31:03 +0600 > Vladimir Romanov wrote: >> Em. I don't agree. I prefer Emacs and don't like Vim. But if i must >> choose between Vim and Nano, i prefer Nano > > But vi is POSIX. vi is available through busybox already --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Luca Barbato
On 27/09/14 14:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 Luca Barbato wrote: Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. Surely certain stuff might enjoy having ex available as well. Probably busybox could be enough fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers >> wrote: >> > >> > Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your >> > proposal, you might need to CC a dozen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: ChangeLog perl-module.eclass

2014-09-27 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-23, o godz. 16:52:56 "Andreas K. Huettel" napisał(a): > > > > Modified: ChangeLog perl-module.eclass > > > Log: > > > Remove support for EAPI 1, 2, 3 in perl-module.eclass (no packages left > > > in the tree) > > This could have used some kind of heads-up. Now I'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Well, if vi is posix, and it is so important, then you may use it. But please, don't delete nano. 2014-09-27 18:40 GMT+06:00 Ciaran McCreesh : > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:31:03 +0600 > Vladimir Romanov wrote: > > Em. I don't agree. I prefer Emacs and don't like Vim. But if i must > > choose between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:31:03 +0600 Vladimir Romanov wrote: > Em. I don't agree. I prefer Emacs and don't like Vim. But if i must > choose between Vim and Nano, i prefer Nano But vi is POSIX. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Vladimir Romanov
Em. I don't agree. I prefer Emacs and don't like Vim. But if i must choose between Vim and Nano, i prefer Nano 2014-09-27 18:22 GMT+06:00 Ciaran McCreesh : > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: > > Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant > > I agree. It's time to r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 Luca Barbato wrote: > Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant I agree. It's time to replace nano with Vim. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:25:28 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers > wrote: > > > > Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your > > proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more people instead of > > that alias. > > > > That is incorre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Luca Barbato
On 17/09/14 14:09, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, Luca Barbato wrote: The bc utility is part of the posix tools and it might be used to build linux among the other stuff. Luca, bc is not in the system set and is a dependency of the kernel or any other package that nee

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > Right now, CC'ing a single alias is inconvenient, but under your > proposal, you might need to CC a dozen or more people instead of that > alias. > That is incorrect. Herds would be replaced with projects, not with lists of individual (n

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing the concept of herds

2014-09-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 21:45:49 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > Let's keep it short: I think herds don't serve any special purpose > nowadays. Their existence is mostly resulting in lack of consistency > and inconveniences. > > In particular: > > 1. We have two different tags in metadata.xm