Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > II. This practically assumes that every new mailing list subscriber will > be able to recognize the problem. Otherwise, new people will repeatedly > be lured into discussing with them. > > III. In the end, it puts Gentoo in a bad position. Firstly,

Accidental spoofing -> Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:01:39 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:43:15 -0800 > Matt Turner wrote: > > > > Sorry. I think I was confusing a number of irritating things you've > > done: email spoofing, > > That was a complete

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:43:15 -0800 Matt Turner wrote: > > Sorry. I think I was confusing a number of irritating things you've > done: email spoofing, That was a complete accident due to a new version of Kmail that had the from field editable by default. It was NOT

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:26:26 -0800 >> Matt Turner wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, William L. Thomson

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:26:26 -0800 > Matt Turner wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. >> wrote: >> > That being said, that people find it

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:26:26 -0800 Matt Turner wrote: > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > That being said, that people find it acceptable to talk behind > > another's back. Lobbing lots of insults. Then having the ego to

Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. I hope you really mean that, we've all heard you complaining about this too many times already. -- Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP keyblock reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net

OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:08:51 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > You could at least realize being here since 2008. If your not the one > making it better. Maybe do not give others a hard time or creating > more noise.

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:54:12 + Peter Stuge wrote: > I'm quite unimpressed by how mgorny and jstein behave there. Doesn't matter its ok because it was about me... I never did anything of that nature or other stuff. Yet action was sought to be taken against me years go and it

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > That being said, that people find it acceptable to talk behind another's > back. Lobbing lots of insults. Then having the ego to assume someone > would create a fake identity. Any minimal research can show

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 21:29:26 +0100 Vincent-Xavier JUMEL wrote: > > Please do rembember that you can't solve all earth problems, not even > all Gentoo problems :) Technology is no means to resolve social issues. Our use of technology is bringing about entirely

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/mediatomb

2017-12-04 Thread Ian Whyman
# Ian Whyman (04 Dec 2017) # Declared dead upstream. Masked for removal in 30 days # Please see net-misc/gerbera for a replacement. net-misc/mediatomb

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:54:38 -0500 Alec Warner wrote: > > I think you make my point sir; not debase it. You did (and continue > to do) many things, that are in fact > valuable What else may I have done since 08 had things been otherwise? Gentoo's loss. > However, you also

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Daniel Campbell
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:18:04AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Le 2017-12-03 22:31, Michał Górny a écrit : Multiple people have tried, and as explained in the long rationale we haven't had any success. If you have a constructive ideas how to solve the problem otherwise, we're open to hear them. That's the whole purpose of this thread. Once or twice in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, William L Thomson wrote: [quote omitted] Can you keep this out of gentoo-dev, please? You personal reminiscences are very off-topic in this mailing list. Ulrich pgp9lk61Z9Iem.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread Peter Stuge
I'm quite unimpressed by how mgorny and jstein behave there. I wouldn't accept that, were I leading the project. //Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:17:00 -0500 > Alec Warner wrote: > > > > Clearly if Gentoo could be successful if millions of people were > > killed; we would not choose to kill millions of people. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:17:00 -0500 Alec Warner wrote: > > Clearly if Gentoo could be successful if millions of people were > killed; we would not choose to kill millions of people. > Clearly if Gentoo could be successful if dozens of people were > harassed; we would not choose

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:34:49 -0500 kuzetsa wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:11 PM, Christopher Head wrote: > > On December 3, 2017 1:35:23 PM PST, "Michał Górny" > > wrote: > >> The best way to reach specific Gentoo developers is through > >> Bugzilla. This gives

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:57:16 -0500 kuzetsa wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > > > >> On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > >>> A user requested I forward

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > > > On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > > > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > >> On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: >>> A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: >>> >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
It is interesting to see people discussing behavior on list while flat out ignoring the following. This person is NOT me! They showed in #gentoo-java the other day. Prior to that I have never had any contact. They shared the below log with me then. Which I found flattering and amusing. Haters

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > > > http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/16-057_d45c0b4f-fa19-49de-8f1b-4b12fe054fea.pdf > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/04/2017 01:11 PM, Christopher Head wrote: > On December 3, 2017 1:35:23 PM PST, "Michał Górny" wrote: >> The best way to reach specific Gentoo developers is through Bugzilla. >> This gives the best chance for focused discussion on the specific issue >> without unnecessary

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] depgraph: eval disjunctive build deps earlier (bug 639346)

2017-12-04 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 15:19:44 -0800 Zac Medico wrote: > Since built-time deps tend to be a superset of run-time deps, evaluate > disjunctive build-time deps before run-time deps, so that choices for > build-time deps influence choices for run-time deps. > > Also, fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Christopher Head
On December 3, 2017 1:35:23 PM PST, "Michał Górny" wrote: > >The best way to reach specific Gentoo developers is through Bugzilla. >This gives the best chance for focused discussion on the specific issue >without unnecessary distraction for other developers who are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 23∶59 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 napisał: > As noted, there is one: analyzing the actions of those who are being > "attacked" to see why people are bothering to do it in the first > place. I sincerely doubt the offensive parties are doing what they are > doing

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶06 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner napisał: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list > > members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu pon, 04.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶18 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan Ochtman napisał: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > On the face of it, I like this proposal. On the other hand, wouldn't it > > > > be > > > better if we just had more active list

Re: [gentoo-dev] profiles 17.0 hardened/no-multilib missing?

2017-12-04 Thread RB
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> 1) there's barely any use for it, > > Well, I think that whoever use hardened barely use multilib. For the value of one anecdote, I'm a long-time hardened user and all of my hardened systems are no-multilib.

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On the face of it, I like this proposal. On the other hand, wouldn't it > be > > better if we just had more active list moderators? That is, moderators > who > > move problematic user's posts to moderated by default, and

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: > A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: > > There's been research, on this, and the study by harvard business > school was summarized and discussed by NPR in 2015: > > [ Turns out toxic coworkers are more > than just an annoyance. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Eclasses for BLAS and Lapack

2017-12-04 Thread Benda Xu
Dear Fellows, and thanks Dominik, Dominik Schmidt writes: > Gentoo does not yet have a (proper) way of selecting a BLAS or Lapack > implementation at compile time. Hence I wrote two eclasses, which can > be found in my fork of the science overlay: > > *

[gentoo-dev] Eclasses for BLAS and Lapack

2017-12-04 Thread Dominik Schmidt
Hi there Gentoo does not yet have a (proper) way of selecting a BLAS or Lapack implementation at compile time. Hence I wrote two eclasses, which can be found in my fork of the science overlay: * https://github.com/Doeme/sci/blob/blas_lapack_eclass/eclass/blas.eclass *

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] xtermTitle: support st (simple terminal)

2017-12-04 Thread Zac Medico
On 12/04/2017 12:16 AM, Christoph Böhmwalder wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 06:27:39AM +0100, Christoph Böhmwalder wrote: >> Maybe we should be using the 'stterm' symlinks instead? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Christoph > > Uh, actually that doesn't make any sense, since the $TERM variable is >

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] xtermTitle: support st (simple terminal)

2017-12-04 Thread Christoph Böhmwalder
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 06:27:39AM +0100, Christoph Böhmwalder wrote: > Maybe we should be using the 'stterm' symlinks instead? > > -- > Regards, > Christoph Uh, actually that doesn't make any sense, since the $TERM variable is still set to just 'st-...'. It was a little too early when I wrote