Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
On Sat, 2020-10-17 at 18:05 -0400, Aisha Tammy wrote: > Hi, > I'm attaching the news item for the upcoming display-manager-init changes > > Thanks, > Aisha > > --- > > Title: New OpenRC Display Manager Initializer Scripts > Author: Aisha Tammy > Posted: 2020-10-17 > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 2.0 > > There has been a refactoring of the old 'xdm' init script and its > requirements from various packages into an independent package: > > gui-libs/display-manager-init > > This package provides the 'display-manager' startup script for > handling your chosen display manager, without being dependent on > Xorg server. > > To update to the new DM init scripts, you need to manually add the > package in your @world set: > > emerge -vuDU gui-libs/display-manager-init > > To start using the new init scripts, change the DISPLAYMANAGER > variable in the /etc/conf.d/display-manager to your preferred DM: > > DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" > Do you really think a rename for the sake of renaming justifies requiring all users to rewrite their configuration? While we're requiring the users to do that, wouldn't it be better to stop using the awful layout of 'one script to run them all', and switch to separate scripts for every DM? -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
On 10/17/20 6:44 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:41:38 +1300 > Kent Fredric wrote: > >> Uh, do we need a new catagory for this one package? > > Scratch that, my brain is disabled and my eixing failed the first time > and I jumped because it was a category with no recollection of seeing > before. > Lolol, np. > Now I see there is one, I do still think "That's a bit weird", but > whatever, not adding a new category -> no issue. > > Many apologies. > > ( Though I still find the choice of category very odd ) > Hmmm, I thought of this package as just providing the startup scripts and not the actual display-manager themselves, so it feels more like a library (gui-libs) than an app (gui-apps). Am open to suggestions but this feels OK to me. Aisha signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
On 10/17/20 6:44 PM, Alexey Sokolov wrote: > сб, 17 окт. 2020 г. в 23:05, Aisha Tammy : >> >> Hi, >> I'm attaching the news item for the upcoming display-manager-init changes >> >> Thanks, >> Aisha >> >> --- >> >> Title: New OpenRC Display Manager Initializer Scripts >> Author: Aisha Tammy >> Posted: 2020-10-17 >> Revision: 1 >> News-Item-Format: 2.0 > > This will be shown even if no xdm was installed? Yes, that is true, but there is no xdm package per se (not referring to the display manager XDM, but the init script xdm). This is one of the reasons for the refactoring, because there is no single provider for xdm, parts of the scripts are present in sysvinit, xinit, xorg-server. And the overloading of terms for xdm init script and XDM display manager . This puts them together into one package, while renaming and clearing the confusion. A potential check could be for xorg-server, which should be OK, but I don't see the harm in being a bit more cautious and letting everyone read it. Display-If-Present: x11-base/xorg-server > >> >> There has been a refactoring of the old 'xdm' init script and its >> requirements from various packages into an independent package: >> >> gui-libs/display-manager-init >> >> This package provides the 'display-manager' startup script for >> handling your chosen display manager, without being dependent on >> Xorg server. >> >> To update to the new DM init scripts, you need to manually add the >> package in your @world set: >> >> emerge -vuDU gui-libs/display-manager-init >> >> To start using the new init scripts, change the DISPLAYMANAGER >> variable in the /etc/conf.d/display-manager to your preferred DM: >> >> DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" >> >> To test the newly installed scripts, you can try to switch to >> 'display-manager' on the running computer. >> Run the following commands in a tty to test your current install: >> >> rc-service xdm stop >> rc-service display-manager start >> >> If the test succeeds, you can remove the old xdm startup script >> and add display-manager to the default runlevel: >> >> rc-update del xdm default >> rc-update add display-manager default >> >> Reboot your computer to perform a final test and check to see >> that your chosen display manager has started. > > What happens if I ignore this news item and do nothing? > If you ignore this news item and upgrade your packages without installing display-manager-init, you will no longer have an 'xdm' init script and you will not get a gui on boot. (Don't ignore news items people :P) Aisha
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
On 10/17/20 6:41 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:05:40 -0400 > Aisha Tammy wrote: > >> gui-libs/display-manager-init > > Uh, do we need a new catagory for this one package? > It's already a category, though a little less known one. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
Hi, I'm attaching the news item for the upcoming display-manager-init changes Thanks, Aisha --- Title: New OpenRC Display Manager Initializer Scripts Author: Aisha Tammy Posted: 2020-10-17 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 2.0 There has been a refactoring of the old 'xdm' init script and its requirements from various packages into an independent package: gui-libs/display-manager-init This package provides the 'display-manager' startup script for handling your chosen display manager, without being dependent on Xorg server. To update to the new DM init scripts, you need to manually add the package in your @world set: emerge -vuDU gui-libs/display-manager-init To start using the new init scripts, change the DISPLAYMANAGER variable in the /etc/conf.d/display-manager to your preferred DM: DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" To test the newly installed scripts, you can try to switch to 'display-manager' on the running computer. Run the following commands in a tty to test your current install: rc-service xdm stop rc-service display-manager start If the test succeeds, you can remove the old xdm startup script and add display-manager to the default runlevel: rc-update del xdm default rc-update add display-manager default Reboot your computer to perform a final test and check to see that your chosen display manager has started.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Refactor display manager openrc init scripts to independent package
On 10/11/20 5:07 AM, Hans Fernhout wrote: > > > On 10/10/20 2:26 PM, Aisha Tammy wrote: >> - Configuration of display-manager is done similar to xdm by modifying /etc/conf.d/display-manager - Add display-manager to default runlevel and it should start working >>> My counter-proposal at this point would be to handle DMs similarily to >>> how it's done with systemd. In other words, every DM would provide their >>> own init and conf files (or, "service" files) and they'd be controlled >> This is quite hard as openrc manages tty handling differently than >> systemd. >> Currently display-managers work by adding an extra run level in openrc >> (see >> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/16554/files#diff-6d89a718d595e0c0516c6d6b96bd4cd5R21) >> >> It is not possible to do this independently for each of lightdm/gdm/sddm >> separately, there would be too much redundant copying of code. >> > Would this not be resolved by switching to openrc-init instead of systemv > init? > > Gentoo is about choice and we can't (and don't want to) enforce the fact that people should use openrc-init while we have a compatible solution to work with both. Aisha
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
> > What happens if I ignore this news item and do nothing? > > > > If you ignore this news item and upgrade your packages without installing > display-manager-init, you will no longer have an 'xdm' init script and you > will > not get a gui on boot. > Then please state that clearly in the text. Now it looks like a request to test some new feature, with no particular benefit for the user. Especially as it does say "test"
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
сб, 17 окт. 2020 г. в 23:05, Aisha Tammy : > > Hi, > I'm attaching the news item for the upcoming display-manager-init changes > > Thanks, > Aisha > > --- > > Title: New OpenRC Display Manager Initializer Scripts > Author: Aisha Tammy > Posted: 2020-10-17 > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 2.0 This will be shown even if no xdm was installed? > > There has been a refactoring of the old 'xdm' init script and its > requirements from various packages into an independent package: > > gui-libs/display-manager-init > > This package provides the 'display-manager' startup script for > handling your chosen display manager, without being dependent on > Xorg server. > > To update to the new DM init scripts, you need to manually add the > package in your @world set: > > emerge -vuDU gui-libs/display-manager-init > > To start using the new init scripts, change the DISPLAYMANAGER > variable in the /etc/conf.d/display-manager to your preferred DM: > > DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" > > To test the newly installed scripts, you can try to switch to > 'display-manager' on the running computer. > Run the following commands in a tty to test your current install: > > rc-service xdm stop > rc-service display-manager start > > If the test succeeds, you can remove the old xdm startup script > and add display-manager to the default runlevel: > > rc-update del xdm default > rc-update add display-manager default > > Reboot your computer to perform a final test and check to see > that your chosen display manager has started. What happens if I ignore this news item and do nothing?
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:41:38 +1300 Kent Fredric wrote: > Uh, do we need a new catagory for this one package? Scratch that, my brain is disabled and my eixing failed the first time and I jumped because it was a category with no recollection of seeing before. Now I see there is one, I do still think "That's a bit weird", but whatever, not adding a new category -> no issue. Many apologies. ( Though I still find the choice of category very odd ) pgpi6mrAJek5K.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [REVIEW] News Item - 2020-10-17-display-manager-init
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:05:40 -0400 Aisha Tammy wrote: > gui-libs/display-manager-init Uh, do we need a new catagory for this one package? pgp0al5IKutdA.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
