Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-01 Thread Alec Warner
Simon Stelling wrote: That being said, I think this is really up to the releng team and noone else. They are doing the work, so we can discuss it far and wide, as long as releng doesn't want to do it, nothing will happen. So maybe we should wait for a statement from Chris before doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 02:12:48 -0700 Daniel Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Right now, you're effectively doing an end-run around the entire Gentoo management structure. Fortunately for you, it doesn't look like anyone cares. Not really. We're working on a document, as requested by the Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-12 Thread Alec Warner
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: Hiya all, As some of you are already aware, I was at the last Council meeting given a Task. This Task was to draft a proposed Code of Conduct for Gentoo, and a scheme for enforcing it. The current version of this proposal can be found at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo's problems

2007-03-14 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * Portage. Gentoo hasn't delivered anything useful or cool for two years or so. Things like layman are merely workarounds for severe Portage limitations (not a criticism of layman). Delivery to end users is based around what's possible with Portage, not what people

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Package name additions

2007-03-16 Thread Alec Warner
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 03:11 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:25:17 -0400 William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hierarchy would be the following snapshot - dev - build - alpha - beta And that's where the problems start. As you

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 01:46:45PM +1100, Jonathan Adamczewski wrote: Paludis is a tool used for working with the Gentoo Portage tree - there is no problem with it being part of a Gentoo Google Summer of Code project as it will benefit the Gentoo project and its users. Why not simply solve

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Assuming you mean piotr, who is not pioto... The difference is, piotr's proposal is possible and doable within the timeframe, whereas lu_zero's sounds nice if you don't know anything about any of the package managers in question and can't be delivered within three

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cultural Differences (was: Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla)

2007-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
Sadly, this just goes to show how people need to be more careful in their wording in a community like ours with people coming from so many different cultures. Or maybe people need to lighten up a bit more, I don't really know which. Anyone have any further suggestions how we as a community

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
I'd like to ask what are the negative side-effects of adding such paragraph. Are there any true negative side-effects to a specification like that? A different topic is the way the paragraph is written. If we don't like how it is written, we can change it and problem solved. To be honest,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
Duncan wrote: A segment of an already minor segment (certainly currently, tho that /may/ eventually change), not likely to be something that can reasonably be characterized as benefiting Gentoo as a whole, at least in the near to medium term, and beyond that, well, things remain up for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:45:38 +0200 arfrever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisaÅ#8218;: I commented this out of package.mask. x11-libs/fox-1.2.6-r2 still uses it. Need to fix that up before masking it. These not numerous packages still using

[gentoo-dev] Glep Authors

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
If you are not a glep author; stop reading now. This message is to warn anyone trying to write a glep, there is a error the in the glep template. Bug 152313[1] was filed to address the issue and I fixed all the GLEPs currently in CVS (this should include all submitted GLEPs). If you want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems to take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually a little disturbing that it does. I believe the QA team expect developers to *ask* when they

[gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
First off, this is not a discussion on why XML sucks, or why we shouldn't be using XML or anything like that. This is not a discussion about what we should be using instead of XML. This is a discussion about using XML for our webpages. Many projects have old and nasty webpages. This has been a

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project, Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
Thanks for all the replies (and the offers of help, very comforting). I will no longer accept the excuse of 'I can't write GuideXML' since we have an army of volunteers to GuideXMLify stuff for us :) As such, I don't need to learn (I know enough to get by, and with this glep index I'll soon know

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-29 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:46:14 +0530 Anant Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Mar-07, at 2:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:19:45 +0530 Anant Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly don't think so. A lot of people *switch* to Gentoo because of portage.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:24:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it more clear. If the gcc developers decided to stick some malicious code into gcc, it affects the entire linux community, the entire BSD community and would take out a few other communities as well. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] /{, usr/}bin path changed. What is the right solution for scripts?

2007-04-01 Thread Alec Warner
Hello. Path of some utilities in coreutils-6.7-r1 changed from /usr/bin to /bin and vice versa. This cause some scripts became broken as they relied on the full path to executable. The question is: does there exist best practice on how to avoid this problem in future? Should we set some

Re: [gentoo-dev] /{, usr/}bin path changed. What is the right solution for scripts?

2007-04-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:15:13 +0400 Peter Volkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 00:01 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: One idea that comes to mind is /usr/bin/env $bin And here we return to the problem that one day /usr/bin/env, could become /bin/env... Or that /usr/ sometimes

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-06 Thread Alec Warner
So, fellow devs, what's new with development? For those interested, genlop has migrated into gentoo as a project with the permission of upstream, which no longer maintain it. Um...any new tools or projects people are working on? Anyone? My current projects include: block_sync glep:

Re: [gentoo-dev] where is config_protect implemented?

2007-04-06 Thread Alec Warner
Gentoo experts, I am curious in finding the code that actually does config file protection. I found some code in portage library, but it seems that it only decides what the next backup file name should be, not doing diffing, merging, etc. Is the protection code in some base eclass

[gentoo-dev] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

2007-04-06 Thread Alec Warner
Much to the joy of many I am now retiring from Gentoo. I've already done most of the work (sorry to burden you kloeri I think just the tree-bits are left). Many will wonder why; but this has been a while in coming. I don't get along with many like I used to and in many cases I don't find myself

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why don't you just ...

2007-04-10 Thread Alec Warner
Matthias Langer wrote: Well, I don't know what your problem really is about; I'm running x86, and if something breaks on my system, it's mostly not because of broken packages, but because I should have been informed about possible issues that could have been caused by an upgrade, and how to

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * src_test always called except if RESTRICT=test I don't think this would fit into EAPI, to me it's an implementation detail of the package manager, or why should the ebuild care about it? It's the best way of ensuring that ebuilds have a working src_test. Arch teams

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:44:31 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any arch team that wants tests by default on their arch can just add test to FEATURES in their arch profiles; magically the users running that arch will get the tests run (with USE=test set

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Tobias Heinlein (keytoaster)

2007-04-15 Thread Alec Warner
Peter Weller wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:23:08 +0100 Charlie Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/04/07, Tobias Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Schweizer wrote: Yup, I'm 16, phreak was shocked as well. Welcome to the young ones :) w00t! You'll be joining me, masteriverz,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Resignation

2007-04-19 Thread Alec Warner
As I see it most people have a couple of roads here: You want more information regarding the issue surrounding the suspension of Jakub or you have a problem with the manner in which the issue was handled/executed. You can reach devrel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and on their mailing list, [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Resignation

2007-04-19 Thread Alec Warner
Larry Lines wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 08:52 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: As I see it most people have a couple of roads here: You want more information regarding the issue surrounding the suspension of Jakub or you have a problem with the manner in which the issue was handled/executed. You

Re: [gentoo-dev] $Header:$ and ebuilds

2007-04-21 Thread Alec Warner
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:00:55 +0200 Thilo Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do the same. The '$Header: $' tells me which version of a file in the CVS tree I last synced to in my overlay, then I can just do a cvs diff on the tree to get a patch of differences since

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Alec Warner
As usual if you have issues with the council's decision, this is the wrong list to complain on. Try [EMAIL PROTECTED], I here they have popcorn. This is the right list to discuss versioning schemes though. -Alec -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Linux 2.6.21 plans

2007-04-27 Thread Alec Warner
Petteri Räty wrote: Daniel Drake kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: Why would the kernel have to go stable before the usual month dictated by policy? Yes there are usually security bugs but you did not mention that as a reason in your post. At last check this was a recommendation, not a policy,

Re: [gentoo-dev] tests

2007-05-01 Thread Alec Warner
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: Hello, There was some discussion about forcing/not forcing tests in EAPI-1, but there was clearly no compromise. Imho, tests are very important and thus I want to discuss them a little more, but in more sensible fashion. Firstly each test can be(not all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: That time again...

2007-05-01 Thread Alec Warner
Michael Cummings wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 08:29:43PM +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote: You are declared official Project Status Report Gathering Manager. I have to concede, I saw this last thursday and sat on it all weekend, mulling it over. I realize you (most likely) meant it as a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 news items

2007-05-02 Thread Alec Warner
Stephen Bennett wrote: Anyone have a reason why we can't start to put them in the tree? Portage support is, I'm told, coming in a month or so, and other package managers have supported glep42 for a while now. The format is well specified by the GLEP, so compatibility shouldn't be an issue.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Alec Warner
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 04 May 2007, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I also don't agree with having an exception for the games herd. As others have questioned, how are games more important than security bumps? If we were considering exceptions, I would argue that allowing the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-05 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 5 May 2007 17:44:46 +0200 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why did I knew that this argument would come? Maybe because it's your default reaction to any opposition. What, providing evidence to the contrary? What more do you want? This is such a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-05 Thread Alec Warner
I picked a random mail to reply to: The paludis news item has been approved by me, cause I rock, and commited to the proper location. Assuming the code Zac wrote was actually tested and is turned on, the news item will hit the tree soon. Good Day Sirs. -Alec -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

[gentoo-dev] [RFC - Moving categories around]

2007-05-09 Thread Alec Warner
oops, sent with wrong address the first time. -- Forwarded message -- From: Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 8, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: [RFC - Moving categories around] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So a random thought I had was 'lets move categories out of gentoo-x86

Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Increasing contributions and interest via personal project aggregation

2007-05-11 Thread Alec Warner
I hate gmail -- Forwarded message -- From: Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 11, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Increasing contributions and interest via personal project aggregation To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org On 5/8/07, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [gentoo-dev] www-client/pybugz needs a maintainer

2007-05-12 Thread Alec Warner
On 5/12/07, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/12/07, Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice utility, now unfortunately a bit orphaned and with lots of open bugs. If you are interested, see http://tinyurl.com/2mkd7s Thanks. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
I vote no, because someone has to. -Alec PS: Thanks to be keeping the packages in the tree up to date. On 6/22/07, Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the council discussed/decided something about mailing lists in their last meeting, there doesn't seem to be a log/summary out

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Alec Warner
Ask for forgiveness, not permission. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] emerge feature suggestions

2007-08-12 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/11/07, Rumi Szabolcs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I've got a couple of suggestions for emerge: 1.) I apparently cannot exclude one or two packages from a large emerge action. For example if I say 'emerge -upv world' or 'emerge -Dupv xorg-x11' it may pull in some large updates I do

Re: [gentoo-dev] emerge feature suggestions

2007-08-13 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/13/07, Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/12/07, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/11/07, Rumi Szabolcs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I've got a couple of suggestions for emerge: 1.) I apparently cannot exclude one or two packages from a large emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] emerge feature suggestions

2007-08-15 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/15/07, Vaeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, Alec Warner wrote: On 8/13/07, Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose this comes down to weighing the utility of such a feature against the amount of effort which would go into adding it to Portage. Its

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Alec Warner
perhaps it'd be useful to introduce an anal_die. developers run anal tests, users get sane tests. -mike Anal ftw -Alec -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/17/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 17 August 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:43 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: Also known as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/17/07, Peter Volkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В Птн, 17/08/2007 в 13:18 -0700, Donnie Berkholz пишет: On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful i can make it more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Christian Hoffmann (hoffie)

2007-08-19 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/19/07, Ulrich Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Christian Faulhammer wrote: Christian Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Christian is joining us [...] This finally makes Christian the most common first name of Gentoo devs: heh, at work we have alec-team ;) -Antarus --

Re: [gentoo-dev] SSL certificates in binary packages

2007-08-21 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/21/07, Natanael Copa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I use the gentoo framework to build binary packages. I noticed that most packages creates the ssl certificate during src_install(). This makes all binary packages contain the ssl certs which is a security threat. The net-nds/openldap

Re: [gentoo-dev] checkrestart from debian-goodies

2007-08-24 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/24/07, Steen Eugen Poulsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthias Langer skrev: http://www.arcdraco.net/~dragon/checkrestart (Needs lsb-release, portage-utils, lsof and python) looks interesting indeed... whats also interesting: is there a reason for lsb-release (a shell script) to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project

2007-09-03 Thread Alec Warner
what about A*? it's also a search algorithm you see. On 9/3/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 September 2007, Marius Mauch wrote: You should rename 'himerge' to YAPG (yet another portage GUI). god no, please never let any Y* acronym soil Gentoo -mike -- [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] udev rules cleanup / merging rules files with other distros

2007-09-05 Thread Alec Warner
On 9/5/07, Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:34:05AM +0200, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: So here we are: In udev git-gtree suse and redhat rules are already merged. But they use a different permission / group system than we have, they have less groups and

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-commits list lives!

2007-09-07 Thread Alec Warner
On 9/7/07, Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 07 September 2007, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 02:44:21PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: X-VCS-Repository: gentoo-x86 X-VCS-Files: udev-115-r2.ebuild X-VCS-Directories: sys-fs/udev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-commits list lives!

2007-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On 9/8/07, Christian Faulhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After much toiling, Infra has finally got the commits list active. Kudos to you all! What we now need is the installation of some kind of peer review. For example add to the recruitment guide a

Re: [gentoo-dev] versionator.eclass: convert to eshopts_{push,pop}

2010-07-18 Thread Alec Warner
Can we do away with all the extra foo return bullshit and just set a trap? trap eshopts pop RETURN ? On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: now that eutils.eclass contains a common version of safely handling shopts settings, we can drop the local

Re: [gentoo-dev] versionator.eclass: convert to eshopts_{push,pop}

2010-07-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Monday, July 19, 2010 03:38:39 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:17:45 -0700 Alec Warner wrote: Can we do away with all the extra foo return bullshit and just set a trap? trap eshopts pop RETURN

Re: [gentoo-dev] Locale check in python_pkg_setup()

2010-07-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-07-30 04:36:22 Brian Harring napisał(a): On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:16:42AM +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: --- python.eclass +++ python.eclass @@ -355,6 +355,8 @@    

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Add --hash-style=gnu to LDFLAGS

2010-08-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 05:32:42PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:32:31 Markos Chandras wrote: It seems like few of our fellow developers don't know how to track down packages that don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 12 August 2010 17:13, Thilo Bangert wrote: Ben de Groot said: On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger wrote: sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Cleanup of the Get Gentoo page

2010-08-16 Thread Alec Warner
I have access to main/en and I am willing to do website stuff; just nothing with a quick turnaround. I know guidexml and enough xsl to be dangerous. -A On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17 August 2010 02:43, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please help us decide naming scheme for cmake use calls

2010-08-23 Thread Alec Warner
2010/8/23 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, as we discussed on scons.eclass thread at -dev ml we should have some nice naming scheme for use_xxx calls with cmake and scons. And it should be done in same fashion. for both So please head up

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA last rites for net-misc/omnievents

2010-08-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Diego E. Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: # Diego E. Pettenņ flamee...@gentoo.org (30 Aug 2010) #  on behalf of QA team # # Initial import in 2005 and never bumped; no users in tree; What does 'no users in tree' mean? No revdeps? # since revision 1.2 it

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per package eclass GLEP

2010-09-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Matti Bickel m...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm a couple weeks late with this, but here goes: from my failed attempts at reviving GLEP33 grow a discussion with ferringb on IRC about how to get what I wanted anyway :) I've placed my immediate feedback in CVS:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per package eclass GLEP

2010-09-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 9/19/10 9:14 PM, Matti Bickel wrote: So, yeah, what do you think? Is it worth it? I second this GLEP. It seems like it will cleanly replace our hacked eblits implementations from packages like php, glibc, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:57:42 Petteri Räty wrote: On 09/26/2010 07:30 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400 Jacob Godserv wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage to die on sure-enough _FORTIFY_SOURCE overflows

2010-09-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, since the last time I asked Zac about this it came back to bite me[1] this time I'm going to send the announce to the list first, and if nobody can actually come up with a good reason not to, I'm going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-06 Thread Alec Warner
The portion that is not clear to me is why there is so much animosity against a var to enable .la files. I find the folks commenting to be very technical. I trust that removing .la files is the right choice to make here. What I don't grok is when someone makes a statement like 'removing .la

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Alex Alexander wi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:50:02AM +, Markos Chandras wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:59:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: On 10/30/2010 08:10 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: If i remember it right, the server profile

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disabling auto-bumping of active Python version

2010-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29-11-2010 10:34, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 11/29/10 09:35, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: There will probably be no active version of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: check for enewuser, enewgroup outside of pkg_setup

2011-01-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:25:03 +0100 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: If enewuser or enewgroup is called from outside of pkg_setup, fail It is useful sometimes to call it in pkg_postinst(), if the user/group

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming changes to hosting of Git repos on git.gentoo.org (NOT overlays.git.gentoo.org)

2011-01-25 Thread Alec Warner
like on the discovery channel? -A 2011/1/25 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 25.1.2011 23:08, Robin H. Johnson napsal(a): On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:02:16AM +0200, Theo Chatzimichos wrote: And now, imagine the state of the user/ dev/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Glep 48 update (as nominated for next meeting)

2011-01-29 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Fabian Groffen grob...@gentoo.org wrote: On 28-01-2011 22:11:30 +0100, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: So draft we would like to have implemented as Glep update is this diff: http://dev.gentoo.org/~scarabeus/glep-0048.diff Please comment and help us improve the english

Re: [gentoo-dev] Glep 48 update (as nominated for next meeting)

2011-01-31 Thread Alec Warner
I'm going to basically reply with my normal QA rant. 1) QA is important to the overall health of Gentoo. People will not use broken shit. 2) QA should be straightforward. If a developer need to do X to assure quality it should be fairly obvious why X is required. It should be clear where to go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: app-pda/libopensync and reverse dependencies

2011-02-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:49:53 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno gio, 10/02/2011 alle 14.08 -0600, Ryan Hill ha scritto: Hey, here's an idea.  Before you go making big masks like this for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rejecting unsigned commits

2011-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Dane Smith wrote: On 03/25/2011 02:46 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Of course now we can add additional requirements: * The key

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyZilla: PyZilla-0.1.0.ebuild ChangeLog metadata.xml

2011-03-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jeremy Olexa darks...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03/27/2011 02:47 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: If you prohibit people from doing that, they'll just commit it normally, and then remove

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyZilla: PyZilla-0.1.0.ebuild ChangeLog metadata.xml

2011-03-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: Just start removing old[1] maintainer-needed packages. If people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Eray Aslan wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:41:25PM -0500, Dale wrote: +1  Some descriptions may as well not have one at all.  May as well Google the flag and the package and see what, if anything, it returns. I would say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: python-namespaces.eclass

2011-04-04 Thread Alec Warner
2011/4/4 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 4.4.2011 01:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis napsal(a): 2011-04-03 21:28:02 Tomáš Chvátal napisał(a): Dne 3.4.2011 19:38, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis napsal(a): I would like to add

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyZilla: PyZilla-0.1.0.ebuild ChangeLog metadata.xml

2011-04-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:28:05 +0200 René 'Necoro' Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote: Am 27.03.2011 22:44, schrieb Rich Freeman: Well, but you need some way of communicate that certain packages are w/o a proper maintainer. Why

[gentoo-dev] Trustee Election Results

2011-04-09 Thread Alec Warner
Hello fellow community members, The election for Gentoo Foundation Trustees has concluded. We had 229 eligible voters with 76 voting for a turnout of ~33%. Final ranked list: robbat2 quantumsummers rich0 blueness The election officials should have sent you your election confirmation number

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: logrotate and xinetd use flags

2011-04-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 2:58 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: All, I know a decision about this type of use flag was made in the past, but especially now with the --newuse option in portage, that decision bothers me, so I would like to re-open the discussion. I will use

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: 24 hour review for = dev-libs/glib-2.28 stable news item

2011-04-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Alex Alexander wi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:56:06PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: You have 24 hours to comment on this news item.  Sorry to put it so bluntly but this is required for major security bug (#364973). See attachment. Should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Git migration?

2011-05-03 Thread Alec Warner
ask on the gentoo-scm list? -A On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello everyone, I and maybe also some other people would be interested in the status of the infamous git migration of the main portage tree... I am just curious, since I have not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automatic testing on Gentoo

2011-05-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Jack Morgan j...@bonyari.com wrote: On 05/10/2011 01:13 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Hi. Another issue that was raised in the discussion with the arch teams, even though it predates the arch teams resources thread as we've talked about it on FOSDEM

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-arch/bzip2: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild

2011-05-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:19:45PM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: El 16/05/11 19:54, Kacper Kowalik escribió: Neither of those points include sending mail to gentoo-dev, which tend to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Do we still want group based permissions for storage and power devices in light of ConsoleKit and Policykit?

2011-05-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Let's start with generalized example so everyone gets the idea... Reference: man 8 pklocalauthority /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/example-udisks.pkla [Local users] Identity=unix-group:plugdev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removal of kdeprefix news item

2011-05-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011, Jonathan Callen wrote: Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs[kdeprefix] I don't think that USE dependencies (or any other EAPI specific features) are allowed here. You should file a bug about that;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removal of kdeprefix news item

2011-05-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Jonathan Callen a...@gentoo.org wrote: Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011, Jonathan Callen wrote: Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs[kdeprefix] I don't think that USE dependencies (or any other EAPI specific features) are allowed here. The GLEP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-arch/bzip2: bzip2-1.0.5-r1.ebuild

2011-06-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:35:11 -0400 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: And yes, it should be automated. I agree. Doesn't change the current situation. of course it does.  it makes the current situation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Remember to update eclass/ and profiles/ in your tree before committing anything!

2011-07-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 6/16/11 7:22 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Just a friendly reminder that you should update profiles/ and eclass/ before committing anything to the tree, so that you don't end up committing packages with either

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:27:23 +0200 Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) klond...@gentoo.org wrote: El 03/08/11 06:57, Robin H. Johnson escribió: On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: splitting virtual/

2011-08-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, Now that we don't have any old-style virtuals in gx86 anymore, I think the 'virtual' category is basically one another plain category nowadays. Considering the number of different virtuals in this category, maybe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: euscan proof of concept (like debian's uscan)

2011-08-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Corentin Chary corentin.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, some news about euscan (still available at http://euscan.iksaif.net) - New design (yay !) - Atom feeds available for each herd/category/maintainer/package (http://euscan.iksaif.net/maintainers/59/feed/) -

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] check-reqs.eclass.patch

2011-08-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 32 Aug 2011 10:57:08 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org wrote: Good pointer is that we should probably check if the MERGE_TYPE=binary and not check-reqs ram and disk_build in that case. But there is slight

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for items for September 13 council meeting

2011-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Tomáš Chvátal schrieb: Start collecting ideas for EAPI5. 1) USE-flag based support to cross-compile packages (mostly implemented in multilib-portage) 2) USE-flag based support to install for different slots (e.g. python,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing herdno-herd/herd?

2011-09-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/09/2011 11:15 πμ, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512

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