Matthew Kennedy wrote: [Mon Nov 13 2006, 10:05:23AM EST]
I'd be interested to hear what its purpose is exactly.
All of the reasons are primarily historical, and I haven't kept track
of which still apply and which don't:
- separate distribution of the launcher script from the program so
that
Kurt Lieber wrote: [Wed Nov 08 2006, 12:02:04PM EST]
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:25:47AM -0500 or thereabouts, Aron Griffis wrote:
Gentoo.org has elected to provide the SPF records, effectively marking
gentoo.org mail originating from other SMTP servers as rogue.
That simply is not true
Lance Albertson wrote: [Tue Nov 07 2006, 12:37:53PM EST]
Nothing is stopping you from sending from another smtp server. The
problem people have been complaining about is that spamassassin is
adding a score of 1-2 for anyone who sends from a host other than
what we stated in the SPF rule.
Lance Albertson wrote: [Tue Nov 07 2006, 01:55:39AM EST]
Personally, after skimming through this thread, I'd say leave it as is
and stick with Kurt's decision. Our developers clearly have nothing
better to do than rant on about something as trivial as this. I
especially didn't like the lets
Roy Marples wrote: [Mon Nov 06 2006, 12:44:42PM EST]
+if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) =~ $'\n'${svcdir}\ -w ${svclib} ]] ; then
Shouldn't this be:
if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) == $'\n'${svcdir} ...
because I don't think you want to treat the RHS as either a regex (=~)
or a glob (unquoted).
Aron
From bind-9.3.2-r4.ebuild:
# idea from dev-libs/cyrus-sasl
if has distcc ${FEATURES}; then
einfo You have \distcc\ enabled
einfo build with MAKEOPTS=\-j1\
jobs=-j1
else
einfo build with MAKEOPTS=${MAKEOPTS}
jobs=
fi
emake ${jobs} || die
Brian Harring wrote: [Wed Sep 13 2006, 10:52:17AM EDT]
Similar trickery in app-office/openoffice, although they enable -jN if
distcc is enabled, else -j1 ...
Always wondered how that was valid, just avoid OO compiles enough it
wasn't something I ever got around to looking into :)
The
Aron Griffis wrote: [Wed Sep 13 2006, 10:34:52AM EDT]
Unless somebody can explain how this is valid, I'll go ahead and fix
the bind ebuilds (where fix means use -j1 unconditionally since
the Makefiles aren't parallel safe).
Maybe this was quick on my part, but I've gone ahead and fixed
foser wrote: [Mon Jul 31 2006, 04:20:14PM EDT]
tonight after a some deliberation I have decided to step down as gnome
lead in favor of AllanonJL.
Thanks for leading Gentoo's Gnome for so long, foser.
thanks for your time,
Marinus
This must be a pretty serious announcement; I don't think
I wouldn't know the first thing to do with Java, but jrocket-jdk-bin
has support for 1.4 and 1.5 on ia64.
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Vapier wrote: [Thu Jul 13 2006, 11:32:39PM EDT]
On Wednesday 12 July 2006 13:37, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
SpanKY complained that he cannot set a custom die message then. But this is
not needed here, since every do* command can be clearly identified by the
argument and the directory it will
Danny van Dyk wrote: [Wed Jul 12 2006, 09:16:30AM EDT]
There are 505 ebuilds which are missing use flags in IUSE that they use
in other places.
I once wrote a script (attached) to update IUSE automatically. To use
it, simply:
$ cd games-emulation/xmess
$ fixiuse
It reports what it changed,
Stefan Schweizer wrote: [Wed Jul 12 2006, 01:37:44PM EDT]
This came up in Bug 138792 [dobin etc. should automatically die on failure]
Since do* would become functions in this case, you'll have to fix the
few ebuilds that use them on the RHS of xargs.
grep -r --include \*.ebuild -E 'xargs
Jakub Moc wrote: [Wed Jul 12 2006, 05:11:01PM EDT]
Uh... Sorry but it's pretty hard to imagine something more annoying
than an ebuild that dies after a couple of hours compile just
because upstream decided to rename Changelog.txt to ChangeLog.txt
and noone noticed during version bump, or
Matthias,
Matthias Schwarzott wrote: [Sun May 21 2006, 05:40:53AM EDT]
* The eclass copies the downloaded sources to ${S} rather than to
${WORKDIR}/${HG_MODULE_NAME}.
* the unpack-function keeps the current working directory
in /usr/portage/distfiles/hg-src/${HG_MODULE}.
Could you try the
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: [Sat May 20 2006, 04:50:22AM EDT]
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:36:42PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Along these lines, I added my mercurial.eclass to the tree. I use it
personally for a couple projects, and figured it might help prevent
other people from needing
Along these lines, I added my mercurial.eclass to the tree. I use it
personally for a couple projects, and figured it might help prevent
other people from needing to re-invent the wheel.
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Vapier wrote: [Fri Apr 07 2006, 07:00:22PM EDT]
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:54, Aron Griffis wrote:
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:12:28AM EDT]
the idea is that it's common sense and to need to vote on something
like this seems asinine
It might seem that way, but something
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:27:54AM EDT]
On Monday 03 April 2006 19:35, Aron Griffis wrote:
I disagree with fast-tracking this to any official Gentoo
documentation.
i never used the word fast ... where did it come from ?
Earlier you said:
Vapier wrote: [Mon Apr 03 2006, 05
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:12:28AM EDT]
the idea is that it's common sense and to need to vote on something
like this seems asinine
It might seem that way, but something that is voted on and accepted
has credibility. Something that is simply posted as common sense
does not.
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Ned Ludd wrote: [Mon Apr 03 2006, 09:40:54PM EDT]
Umm ok. I've decided that root is root no matter how you look at it
and it's not worth getting into a vertical pissing contest over.
Having root doesn't equal having authority. One of the issues right
now is whether Infra has assumed authority
Solar points out that I'm relaying details from -core to -dev in this
post. My apologies for that, I'll try to be more careful. :-(
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I disagree with fast-tracking this to any official Gentoo
documentation.
Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in
turn will depend on the work of others. Any decision you make will
affect users and colleagues, and we expect you to take those
consequences into account
Stephen P. Becker wrote: [Mon Apr 03 2006, 07:11:12PM EDT]
Whether it is meant to be flamebait or not is irrelevant. This list
isn't for whining about (the lack of) stable keywords for any
particular ebuild or set of ebuilds.
Making this kind of statement without pointing the poster to the
Dan Armak wrote: [Mon Mar 27 2006, 03:25:04PM EST]
Option 1: KDE only displays KDE apps, Gnome only Gnome apps. How do we decide
what is displayed in both ('neutral' apps)? Can the user edit the menu, and
include some things we don't include by default, in a WM-neutral way? What
should WMs
Ryan Phillips wrote: [Sat Mar 25 2006, 01:47:51AM EST]
It sounds to me like the overlays would benefit of using git/cogito.
The Linux Kernel uses this DVCS to full affect. Pulling changes from
other repositories, and even receiving email patches pushed from
people not having their own
Luca Barbato wrote: [Sat Mar 25 2006, 05:16:57AM EST]
Please consider git and mercurial proxies, maybe nobody proposed it
yet but is relatively easy to provide it and it would be great since
gives you most of the goods from darks w/out the pain related of
building it.
Could you point to some
Aron Griffis wrote: [Sat Mar 25 2006, 06:00:49PM EST]
Ryan Phillips wrote: [Sat Mar 25 2006, 01:47:51AM EST]
It sounds to me like the overlays would benefit of using git/cogito.
The Linux Kernel uses this DVCS to full affect. Pulling changes from
other repositories, and even receiving
Fernando J. Pereda wrote: [Sat Mar 25 2006, 06:18:52PM EST]
Well, I find it easier to understand than many other DVCSs out there...
In fact I don't think it is difficult to use in any way. Maybe pre-1.1
versions had some syntax weirdnesses, but the 1.2 series are really easy
to use and
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Fri Mar 24 2006, 08:55:30AM EST]
As I've said, my only request is a single policy that before an overlay
can become publicly readable on overlays.gentoo.org (which is Gentoo
infrastructure) that it does not break packages in the main tree that
are not in the overlay.
Stuart,
I like the idea of overlays but your email here is completely bogus.
Ciaran just explained why overlays are a Gentoo problem, rebutting
Jakub's assertion that there's no need for policies. I don't see any
agenda here, so either you're pulling in external context, or you're
reading into
Grant Goodyear wrote: [Fri Mar 24 2006, 02:35:34PM EST]
After reading through that fairly lengthy thread, I'm afraid that I can
no longer tell exactly what is being proposed. Who has read access?
Who has write access? Bugs are handled where, and by whom? Are we
considering a fairly tightly
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Wed Mar 22 2006, 12:33:10PM EST]
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:03:38 -0800 Donnie Berkholz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| This definitely sounds like a fun idea. It would be even cooler if we
| were using a distributed SCM on both ends that allowed for easy
| merging.
Word of
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Thu Mar 23 2006, 09:41:25AM EST]
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 10:09 +, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
Reduced responsibility for package QA (I expect we don't care about
overlays to become a standard response on bugs.g.o)
You will *definitely* get this from developers that
kang wrote: [Thu Nov 03 2005, 02:29:11PM EST]
I can maintain it if no one else can.
Feel free. I've bumped the version once and added a patch, but
I would rather not be the primary maintainer.
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Ciaran, if this isn't what you mean, could you clear up the confusion?
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Present:
azarah (Martin Schlemmer)
Koon (Thierry Carrez)
Swift (Sven Vermeulen)
agriffis (Aron Griffis)
seemant (Seemant Kulleen)
solar (Ned Ludd)
vapier (Mike Frysinger)
Agenda:
* GLEP 44 - Manifest2 format
Outcome:
* Council members were generally in agreement that GLEP 44
or GuideXML documents *much* simpler, since we could just work on
the file in our public_html and test render it by accessing through
a web browser.
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down the line.
I noticed Ciaran has been using RST for GLEP 42. I wonder if it would
be a good alternative to guideXML in general.
http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html
I realize this doesn't address the *rest* of what you said, though...
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the question. The fact is that begs the question
is an expression with a particular meaning, and it shouldn't be
confused with the sum of its parts.
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that to
the individual projects to determine.
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to be that the progress being made is not in the
same areas where some people are looking. Which brings up the
question: How is Gentoo falling short in your eyes? Are you certain
that those specific areas are related to the non-existence of a boss?
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Thomas Matthijs wrote: [Tue Oct 18 2005, 10:46:15AM EDT]
You have the java herd's blessing to go ahead and change it.
Please announce it to gentoo-java@ aswell when you make the change.
All set. The only place browserplugin is mentioned is in the
ChangeLogs.
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as deprecated in
use.local.desc
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USE=nsplugin
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message. 2
echo 2
+ for x in $EBUILD_DEATH_HOOKS; do
+ ${x} $1 $2 $3
+ done
exit 1
}
Is this exactly what went in? It looks like you're trying to use
positional params that were shifted earlier.
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So far I find myself agreeing with Ciaran's idea in this thread.
I don't see the point (yet) in more than three states.
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at
http://gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20050915.txt
Please post follow-ups to gentoo-council ML (subscription required)
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. ;-)
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, this is the right thing to do.
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in maintaining this
package? See bug 97574
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in case I fall into the same
trap in some other instance.
You might be right. I wasn't aware that GLEP 31 was approved before
it was withdrawn.
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Catching up on your inbox, foser? ;-)
foser wrote:[Mon Aug 01 2005, 01:06:10PM EDT]
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 14:46 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
foser wrote:[Sat Jun 11 2005, 04:15:22AM EDT]
Arch keywords are concepts and as such may not primarily be dealt as
a an alphabetical list
be handled by the same USE-flag.
I haven't seen a response from you regarding this. What are your
thoughts?
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:[Tue Jul 12 2005, 11:53:57AM EDT]
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 11:41 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Karl,
...
What are your thoughts?
use nsplugin?
Chris, since when are you Karl? :-b
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-flag. Karl, does this make sense from your perspective for the
java stuff?
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. Hence the current policy, however inaccurate the results
might be.
So right now the policy is broken, but the apparent alternative is
unmanageable. Ideas?
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Robin H. Johnson wrote: [Thu Jul 07 2005, 05:07:06PM EDT]
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:49:13PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Current (possibly unwritten) policy:
- eclasses declare USE-flags they honor in their own IUSE
- ebuilds declare USE-flags they honor in their own IUSE
- ebuilds
Vapier wrote: [Thu Jul 07 2005, 06:13:06PM EDT]
On Thursday 07 July 2005 04:49 pm, Aron Griffis wrote:
Current (possibly unwritten) policy:
- eclasses declare USE-flags they honor in their own IUSE
- ebuilds declare USE-flags they honor in their own IUSE
- ebuilds do not declare
if xinetd is
installed rather than go with a USE flag ...
No, the USE flag is the right way. Otherwise it's an environmental
dependency, exactly the thing we try to avoid.
Diego: what is the content of doxinetd?
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one more husband/wife developer team
(the other half being Anarchy).
Who is the other husband/wife developer team?
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putting them in make.conf
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Azarah wrote: [Tue Jul 05 2005, 09:39:20PM EDT]
As far as I know many of these are still in use .. Aron ?
Some were, some weren't. All the moz stuff is fixed up now.
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DEPEND is processed.
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Caleb Tennis wrote:[Fri Jul 01 2005, 10:48:38AM EDT]
On Friday 01 July 2005 08:56 am, Aron Griffis wrote:
How about this?
ebuild:
DEPEND=some stuff
qt_min_dep 3.3
How do you handle the ebuilds which use the qt use flag to determine whether
or not that qt is a dependency
: \$1\,
please report bug
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:[Fri Jun 17 2005, 10:05:32AM EDT]
On Friday 17 June 2005 04:32, Aron Griffis wrote:
Before working on a solution to the problem, could we get a more
complete list of the tools in question? This has come up before but
the list seems to always end with etc etc
at run-time. I can only
imagine that causing a lot of confusion.
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for the majority of
Gentoo develpers, i.e. the ones running GNU/Linux. Let's think it
through very carefully so we understand our options before setting
down this path.
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Here is the master ballot for the metastructure2005 election. I will
send out individual emails with confirmation numbers shortly.
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- confirmation 28b6 -
Oldschool-small
Oldschool-small-with-slacker-boot
Task-force
Keep
Following up as an election official... The results Grant posted are
the same as I got.
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Georgi Georgiev wrote: [Fri Jun 10 2005, 08:04:25PM EDT]
maillog: 10/06/2005-13:19:30(-0400): Aron Griffis types
Btw, here's an interesting statistic which really doesn't add to (or
detract from, I hope) this discussion...
grep -hr --include=\*.ebuild '^KEYWORDS=' /usr/portage | perl
reason for reverting the ekeyword change.
I still don't have the right to make this decision
unilaterally, though, so if foser or anybody else wants to take
this before the managers and request a vote, that is cool.
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, 100*$sorted/$.,
$sorted, $. }'
49% of ebuilds are sorted (9435/19174)
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Daniel Drake wrote: [Fri Jun 10 2005, 02:01:14PM EDT]
If you host your weblog at http://planet.gentoo.org/developers
How does one get signed up to host a weblog there?
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-ups in the thread, you'll find that I addressed or
responded to a number of the same ideas. I'll be the first to admit
that my initial thoughts were not a complete picture of the world,
just a limited perspective and some food for thought...
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Aron Griffis wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 11:08:58AM EDT]
I think that the big companies (including HP, who has also donated
tens of thousands of dollars of equipment btw) see a lot of
potential in Gentoo.
Btw, as an hp employee I hope you'll forgive me for tooting the hp
horn a little bit... I
]]; then
local f entry=$(perl -00ne '/^ \d/ and print, last' ChangeLog)
entry=${entry%%:*}
entry=${entry##*}
entry=${entry//,/ }
for f in $entry; do
[[ $f == -* ]] continue
echo ${f#+}
done | xargs eviewcvs
fi
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on the list. If you are
concerned, then there are probably others in the same boat. Hopefully
my response below will ease their concerns as well as yours.
So here it is:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:55:50PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists
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not a policy and it's not even
a recommendation. I believe there are arch teams that will
automatically stable a package after it has been ~arch for a period of
time. They will break your assumption.
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Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 07 2005, 06:38:41PM EDT]
...and you *still* haven't gotten an ia64 livecd built? For shame!
SO TRUE.
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. Your thoughts?
If the thread isn't obviously unified one direction or the other,
I guess we'll eventually put this up to a developer or manager vote
(I'm not sure which is appropriate)
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, provide patches, and notify us of package updates.
Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees
improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the
developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first,
the users second.
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Chris,
This is useful information but not appropriate for gentoo-dev. Some
people have suggested -user, which might be a good place. Other
places I can think of are the forums or a blog.
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Konsti,
See Mike's message which started this thread. He addressed lvm2
specifically:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/28317
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to go ahead and mark stable when you see fit for alpha
and ia64.
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, if a package doesn't build with large -j then the ebuild should
force -j1. Either a package is parallel build clean or it isn't. You
can't make the problem go away by using an intermediate value for -j;
it might work for you but it won't for somebody else.
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Georgi Georgiev wrote: [Sun May 08 2005, 08:19:20PM EDT]
Would it be inappropriate to start bitching (again) about a flat
tree where each package can go in multiple categories?
That's something I'd love to see eventually... I mean the flat tree,
not the complaining ;-)
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the Alpha project.
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at this point.
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