the
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Or better yet, the reasons the fallback might be needed don't really need
to be enumerated at all. What about simply omitting that, leaving only:
media-libs/jpeg:0 will be left in the tree as a fallback implementation.
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That's exactly the sort of solution I was hoping for. Thanks.
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Zac Medico posted on Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:26:24 -0700 as excerpted:
On 04/25/2012 11:18 PM, Duncan wrote:
IOW, let's quit letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and just
get on with it, already.
If that means settling on something that's fragile and prone to lots of
bug reports
Zac Medico posted on Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:21:02 -0700 as excerpted:
On 04/26/2012 02:55 AM, Duncan wrote:
Zac Medico posted on Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:26:24 -0700 as excerpted:
On 04/25/2012 11:18 PM, Duncan wrote:
IOW, let's quit letting the perfect be the enemy of the good
If that means
Amadeusz Żołnowski posted on Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:30:32 +0200 as excerpted:
This license would go to EULA group. Is this correct?
That appears to be correct to me, yes.
No distribution allowed. You're going to be doing restrict=mirror,
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On 04/26/2012 03:08 PM, Duncan wrote:
Zac Medico posted on Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:21:02 -0700 as excerpted:
Also, don't forget to consider the possibility of interference between
FEATURES=userpatch and epatch_user (applying same
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an auto-fetch either, generally due
to direct click-thru agreement required, it's restrict=fetch.
My definitely non-professional legal understanding, of course.
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Nikos Chantziaras posted on Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:55:12 +0300 as excerpted:
On 27/04/12 17:15, Duncan wrote:
Zac Medico posted on Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:41:21 -0700 as excerpted:
Having the package manager interact with an eclass function like
epatch_user is ugly, and it's unnecessary since we can
tend to help as much, except to the extent that
there really is a disagreement about the conditions of said license.
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the phrase? Operating as indented! Indeed! Sounds like a bit too
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Duncan posted on Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:22 + as excerpted:
Fabio Erculiani posted on Thu, 10 May 2012 22:48:29 +0200 as excerpted:
On a side note, I find it quite odd to be accused of trash talking by
Linux Kernel people.
hwoarang is a kernel person?
FWIW, I see the gregkh post you
restricting gentoo upgrades for awhile!)
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And that's what this is, as it is. =:^)
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between it and current HEAD, are extremely
useful. I haven't thought of it much until now, but I think maintaining
overlays as simple branches would be great, as well.
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cost, as does merging between them. (CVS... I don't
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It'd be a real shame not to expose the read-only git tree to the users
who want it. Git was /designed/ to be distributed in that manner.
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thing. =:^)
So from this user, +1 (+1000? =:^), news item requested. =:^)
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someone from infra have the time and be willing to work closely with
them, is going to be critical. But again, given a council *priority*,
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, but there's apparently some sort
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has already killed project for me, header-fetch does nothing, and scmm
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William Hubbs posted on Thu, 31 May 2012 15:57:14 -0500 as excerpted:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:26:58PM +, Duncan wrote:
William Hubbs posted on Thu, 31 May 2012 14:54:50 -0500 as excerpted:
I don't know what's going to happen to all the overlays with the main
tree switch to git
, but as I said, that's handwavey guesses.
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people at least discussing the same thing. Looking forward to more in
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useflag.
# to your local overlay.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
=mail-client/thunderbird-3.1*
x11-plugins/enigmail
x11-plugins/replytolist
What happened with the enigmail sentence there?
Seems to be inserted in the middle of the copy-to-overlay sentence.
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to be mandatory, tho in reality
that platform has always lacked the user-end base standard support and
flexibility of x86, so it's not like they're losing it. But if the
entire market moves toward arm as some are predicting...
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go the standard route and avoid further
issues.)
Long lines as paragraphs would probably be easier especially early in the
process when you're modifying a lot, but you still risk (even more)
limited clients having issues with it. YMMV.
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the stable gentooer, and the way it looks, may remain that way for
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Peter Stuge posted on Sun, 17 Jun 2012 00:16:36 +0200 as excerpted:
Duncan wrote:
users would unmerge ppp if they knew about it when they no longer
needed it, but knowing about it is the problem.
Sorry, but what is the connection to a USE flag?
I agree that knowing about
specified optical, above. Direct-partitioned and bootable USB media may
not be included. I'm sure GKH or others who have been following it
closer can fill in the details.
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or secondary bootloader (after the BIOS)
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), but then you're back to hard-configuring it in ordered to
do so, thus losing all that extra flexibility that's part of what makes
x86 different. Which was the question that I was addressing.
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[1] Practically: favorable cost/benefit ratio for the work needed.
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Duncan posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:37:38 + as excerpted:
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:38:33 +0100 as excerpted:
3) Given the above, it would be of /great/ benefit to your argument if
either Zac or Brian (or preferably both) stepped up from time to time
and said yes
. Seeing people working on other PMs make
the point as well, helps, and I hope to see both a bit more of that and
more reminders of it in other subthreads/replies, where appropriate. I
know that helps me keep a bit better perspective. =:^)
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Zac Medico posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:30:53 -0700 as excerpted:
On 06/16/2012 02:56 PM, Duncan wrote:
Meanwhile, one coming solution to this, in portage 2.2 anyway, is sets.
Unfortunately, it has begun to look like sets are where baselayout2 and
openrc were for many years, forever coming
rather behind us, now.
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in the
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mis-remembering entirely.
So, ummm... interesting idea, but never mind!
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other references or quote-worthy
material.
I believe he has specifically covered -Werror too. I know he mentioned
it (with a link to /something/, of his or not I didn't check) in a recent
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Mike Frysinger posted on Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:12:38 -0400 as excerpted:
On Tuesday 26 June 2012 00:04:35 Duncan wrote:
I could have sworn there was a virtual/bootloader or some such, that
was a part of @system and that thus would have likely had a default in
the profiles packages file
to map those on mdraid devices last I checked), and mount
can mount by partition name using udev in much the same way as it mounts
by UUID or filesystem label.
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bugs pre-rc1 should be
available, and I can then bisect back into the previously blackout period
with a bit more confidence.
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I'd guess be joining us...
Regardless, I agree with the point, and yes, debian at least will
certainly be doing something as they have non-linux to worry about too,
tho OTOH they move slow enough they might indeed be joining us, size or
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which means that systemd would need to build it anyway. What's the
point?
Being able to choose not to run systemd at all? If there's no need to
build systemd, than what it requires is irrelevant.
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and removal schedule for awhile. (I've not checked to
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Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:57:41 -0400 as excerpted:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
BTW, any gentooish documentation out there on rootfs as tmpfs, with
/etc and the like mounted on top of it, operationally ro, rw remounted
for updates
filesystems, and anybody using it now
without backups is simply playing Russian Roulette with their data.
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. =:^) I'll have to do some research and think about that a bit
more...
Definitely thanks for the tarball idea, as otherwise I'd probably have
not got out of my box and thought about squashfs. I'm probably missing
its downsides ATM, but you still broke my thinking out of the box!
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are in
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I'm not sure whether that was asked of me or Maxim K, but that was
beginning to be my conclusion as well. See the earlier comment about not
even using an initr* at all, tho this would be close.
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of package a single person missing a single warning can mean a service
outage for dozens or hundreds, so I think it's worth it. And since only
postfix users who haven't upgraded yet will see it, and then only once,
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it has some maturing to do still. Meanwhile, openrc's working
great for me ATM and I have no immediate plans to switch.)
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Michał Górny posted on Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:55:32 +0200 as excerpted:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:49:24 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Michał Górny posted on Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:18:49 +0200 as excerpted:
Didn't you see Lennart's opinions on Gentoo Linux? I don't think
that, no real
objection, but it's far afield from the current discussion and would be a
lot of (arguably unnecessary) work to migrate.
FWIW, tho, that does look a lot like... I think it's gobo linux... If you
like that sort of thing, I'd suggest looking at it.
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This makes sense, especially the single command when using --args bit.
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it actually kept to
that. I'd guess by now it'd be a reasonably mature solution, tho I've
not used either one, personally.
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similar... so
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so you can now say nobody thanks you, too!
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-* categories that
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firmware-misc, if category-proliferation is seen to be a big issue.
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, like debian with its slow release cycles, as he was
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which AFAIK didn't even exist at the time, and didn't specify support
from OTHERS, not kde, so he was clearly speaking for kde, not for other
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...
...senil emas eht gnolA !saw ti tahw s'TAHT !LOL
http://www.textreverse.com/
(While the link I had saved was stale it did mean I still remembered
enough about it to plug the idea into google and successfully find it.
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you'll see a lot more overt respect that simply isn't evident, now.
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http://ss64.com/bash/tac.html
http://ss64.com/bash/rev.html
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and probably officially, at least five years out. But a
decade out, all bets are off!
[1] LWN 2007 timeline, one big page version:
http://lwn.net/Articles/307167/
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Michał Górny posted on Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:24:26 +0200 as excerpted:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:57:17 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
So I really expect people to be switching to systemd 2-3 years from
now, and that it'll be the gentoo default in 3-5 years, tho openrc will
almost
that changes, systemd really has reasonably matured
and stabilized. Prospects look reasonable so far! =:^)
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description, enough to both get the concept and google
with would be good, but links could be quicker if you have them handy,
and are less likely to spawn even further afield subthreads.)
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Michał Górny posted on Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:43:26 +0200 as excerpted:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:04:40 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Michał Górny posted on Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:47:38 +0200 as excerpted:
Or anything else what can be spawned for shell. And a lot more what
you
gentoo support, since they have similar issues themselves.
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really should try it one of these days and know from personal
experience, but in this case, it really /is/ easier to just talk than to
do, since trying it requires rebooting, so I can't simply try it in
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a minimal installed tree,
for similar reasons. I'm not actually sure how they interact. That'd be
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runlevel there is, right? I know it was with
baselayout-1 (which i'm actually still running on my NFS-root cluster).
Yes, it still works that way.
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inside the [[ ]],
as I've seen that suggested numerous times in other cases. The better
quote handling regarding variables is in fact one of the reasons the
[[ ]] form is preferred to the POSIX compliant [ ] form.
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Rich Freeman posted on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:25:53 -0400 as excerpted:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
[snip]
Honestly, while I might agree with that sentiment on some of these
threads, my only complaint with Ciaran's original response was that he
could
gentoo's position, it's a pretty safe bet that any changes of that size
that WOULD occur are safely out beyond that three-year horizon where
things start getting fuzzy, and beyond that, it's anyone's guess.
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hands-off policy.
But one thing's for sure, there's money there, and where there's that
sort of money involved, one way or another, the code usually appears.
So all is not YET lost, regarding insane dependencies at the base udev
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