Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC/announcement] Reviewers project

2015-10-11 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:17 AM, wraeth wrote: > I am one of the users who spoke to idella4 about this, but I wanted to > repeat this publicly in order to highlight the point of view of > contributing user as opposed to a developer. > > Firstly I would like to say that I

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC/announcement] Reviewers project

2015-10-11 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, NP-Hardass wrote: > I'm not sure if this is what Ian is referring to, but between the sheer > quantity (flooding) and the way I perceived some of the messages to be > formulated, it all seemed rather abrasive in nature. Of course this > was

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC/announcement] Reviewers project

2015-10-11 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Ian Delaney <idel...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:56:28 -0700 > Matt Turner <matts...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:17 AM, wraeth <wra...@wraeth.id.au> wrote: > >> > >&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC/announcement] Reviewers project

2015-10-11 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 9:44 PM, wraeth <wra...@wraeth.id.au> wrote: > I'm not trying to escalate the argument but you seem to have > misinterpreted my initial message. > > On 12/10/15 03:56, Matt Turner wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:17 AM, wraeth <wra...@wraeth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] repo/gentoo:master commit in: sys-fs/zfs-kmod/

2015-10-09 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jason Zaman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 06:20:58PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: >> Dnia 2015-10-09, o godz. 15:40:32 >> "Richard Yao" napisał(a): >> >> > commit: 050bf38afc93a98c5176c95b3c4ffc01212bf46b >> > Author:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [warning] the bug queue has 83 bugs

2015-09-09 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: > Our bug queue has 83 bugs! > > If you have some spare time, please help assign/sort a few bugs. > > To view the bug queue, click here: http://bit.ly/m8PQS5 I suspect you used bit.ly to shorten a long bugzilla link, but it

[gentoo-dev] Better way to direct upstream bugs upstream?

2015-08-29 Thread Matt Turner
In April I closed out ~100 bugs assigned to x11@ that the X11 team never had any realistic ability to fix ourselves (see most bugs about x11-drivers/ati-drivers). Most of these were fleeting driver bugs affecting a particular piece of hardware and a (often now old) particular version of the driver

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites: x11-libs/libXevie

2015-08-28 Thread Matt Turner
# Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org (28 Aug 2015) # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug 482304 x11-libs/libXevie

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: x11-base/nouveau-drm

2015-08-22 Thread Matt Turner
# Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org (22 Aug 2015) # nouveau has been in the kernel since 2.6.33 # Masked for removal in 30 days. x11-base/nouveau-drm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is the $Id$ line in our ebuilds still useful?

2015-08-13 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Tyler Pohl tylerap...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please tell me how to get off this mailing list? Please please please Well first you don't reply to an unrelated topic... But the instructions are here:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Referencing bug reports in git

2015-08-12 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:40 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: So, I've just tried to count the ++ for different ideas and even if I missed one or two or misread someone's opinion, I think the result is pretty clear: reference the bug only in the summary: 1 don't make any of this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] repo/gentoo:master commit in: kde-base/kdepim-icons/

2015-08-09 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:42:00 +0200 hasufell wrote: On 08/09/2015 08:25 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: commit: 3fd6580a947db519cb60a4c2a05ec380ceb681d8 Author: Agostino Sarubbo ago AT gentoo DOT org AuthorDate:

Re: [gentoo-dev] (semi) last rites: several unused perl-core packages

2015-06-13 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: # Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org (13 June 2016) s/2016/2015/

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib and different CFLAGS for 32 and 64bit ABIs

2015-03-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Matthias Schwarzott z...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi there! I updated my ~amd64 system recently to new hardware (Intel Core i3-4160). Since then valgrind did no longer work for 32bit programs because -march=native did choose instructions that valgrind does not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Naming of repositories: gento-x86 edition, bike shedding wanted

2015-03-14 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Andreas K. Huettel wrote: 0. What names for the tree/repository. gentoo IMO this is the only really accurate name. I completely agree (with everything else in this email as well).

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Make seccomp USE flag global

2015-02-27 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 02:44:54 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: Hello, at this moment 8 packages uses seccomp flag: app-admin/clsync app-emulation/qemu app-emulation/lxc net-dns/bind net-misc/tlsdate net-misc/tor

Re: [gentoo-dev] CPU_FLAGS_X86 gentoo repository migration complete

2015-02-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/01/2015 02:39 PM, Matt Turner wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: 2. app-emulation/bochs got local USE=3dnow and USE=avx since the flag control support of emulating the two

Re: [gentoo-dev] CPU_FLAGS_X86 gentoo repository migration complete

2015-02-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: 2. app-emulation/bochs got local USE=3dnow and USE=avx since the flag control support of emulating the two instruction sets rather than using host CPU instruction sets. Wouldn't it be simpler to use CPU_FLAGS_X86 for these

Re: [gentoo-dev] Review: desc/cpu_flags_x86.desc

2015-01-18 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2015-01-18, o godz. 15:15:22 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, I would like to commit the following flags

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 01:44:21PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: * Stage3 archives are too fat See

Re: [gentoo-dev] qa last rites -- long list

2015-01-07 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:57 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 06:49:56AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 150106 William Hubbs wrote: This one is perfectly safe on a single-user system : please leave it there. I'm not opposed to it staying in the tree under one of

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-23 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/22/14 16:37, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 18:24:32 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: Well the side effect of this is that arcane and unmaintainable bandworms like toolchain.eclass are

Re: [gentoo-dev] sys-devel/gcc::mgorny up for testing

2014-12-08 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Anthony G. Basile bas...@opensource.dyc.edu wrote: 0) This reduces code reusability. The eclass is used by sys-devel/kgcc64 in the tree and (at least) the hardened-dev::musl overlay outside. Yes, but while your claim that it reduces reusability is true, I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Running repoman on the portage tree

2014-11-18 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: * So many (~3MB output) warnings, especially upstream parallel compilation bug... thought autoconf handled this, but I guess not You still have to specify dependencies with automake, and it's pretty easy to forget

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/11/14 09:05 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 11/13/2014 05:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: In general, a package must

[gentoo-dev] Maintainer request: sys-apps/kmscon

2014-06-25 Thread Matt Turner
alexxy added it more than a year ago to the tree as part of the x11 herd, of which he isn't a maintainer. It hasn't been really seen any attention and is broken with current versions of Mesa. I've pinged him multiple times to see if he's planning to handle any of the outstanding bugs. Someone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Subslots: should they be bumped like SONAME or on any ABI changes?

2014-06-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, Some time ago we've got bug #510780 [1] asking us to bump subslot on LLVM even though the new version was ABI-compatible with previous one. It was because it introduced new APIs which applications could make use of.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-22 Thread Matt Turner
One thing I forgot to mention - LTO can also have detrimental effect on certain architectures. On some (eg. ppc), performance can actually be degraded due to increased register pressure. On others like alpha it's questionable if it'll even work at all... Worked for me on alpha, at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable masks on multilib packages

2014-04-02 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm strongly considering reverting these changes in the packages I maintain. I'm tired of having to deal time and again with multilib breakage. Either that, or someone else can take over primary maintainership. I'd be

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtuals for libudev and libgudev

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Projects like the Council, ComRel and QA are there to protect Gentoo; and yes, people are (or should be) lining up to protect Gentoo. ... from QA. You don't seem to understand what Samuli is saying. QA is being used as an

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtuals for libudev and libgudev

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:18 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Tom... I am not sure if you know that, but your posts are difficult to read. You split up posts horribly and I am often unable to follow what you mean... at all. If I am the only one, then it's probably my fault. Definitely

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Patch set for git-r3 enabling full mirroring of upstream repo

2014-02-23 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:18 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Why do you send RFC out when you ignore comments? I didn't see any comments suggesting any changes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Patch set for git-r3 enabling full mirroring of upstream repo

2014-02-23 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Why do you send RFC out when you ignore comments? I didn't see any comments suggesting any changes. There were 2. I don't think there were. But I'll play along with your trolling. A recap of the thread: 1) I asked what the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Patch set for git-r3 enabling full mirroring of upstream repo

2014-02-21 Thread Matt Turner
After these patches, what are the differences between git-2 and git-r3? I thought the reason for git-r3's existence was shallow clones.

Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFD: new global USE flag gtk3

2014-02-20 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:21 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: I find it sad the QA team has been taken over by some of the new and semi-new developers who don't completely understand the implications of this decision yet since they haven't lived through the older

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-12 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chris Reffett creff...@gentoo.org wrote: On 2/12/2014 3:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-02-11, o godz. 19:33:06 Chris Reffett creff...@gentoo.org napisał(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/2014 06:13 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: dropping redundant stable keywords

2014-02-04 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 02:48 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:35:22 -0600 Steev Klimaszewski st...@gentoo.org wrote: Alright, well, I've tried my best, I give up. Instead of having something working

Re: [gentoo-dev] Catalyst news item

2014-01-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: +Display-If-Installed: dev-util/catalyst Display-If-Installed: =dev-util/catalyst-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Catalyst news item

2014-01-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: my plan was to show this to anyone using catalyst. I believe this news item is relevant and interesting for anyone using catalyst, but if others disagree, I can restrict it to only those using

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 PM, gro...@gentoo.org wrote: Sorry for following up myself, On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, gro...@gentoo.org wrote: OK, let's be conservative. Python and Perl scripts may break on some arches (I'd say it's a rare exception, perhaps 1%, but still). But what about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default USE changes for fortran and mudflap?

2014-01-12 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: While I'm adding USE defaults to toolchain.eclass and moving them out of the profiles, I thought now would be a good time to review a couple default flag settings. mudflap: This is currently enabled by default but I'd

[gentoo-dev] Re: New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-18 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll make these changes in a few days. Committed. Feel free to remove the local descriptions from your packages.

[gentoo-dev] New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-15 Thread Matt Turner
And at the same time, clean up the descriptions of the other flags. The existing descriptions were clearly copy-and-pasted and contained things like faster floating point optimization for SSSE3 capable chips when SSSE3 didn't add any floating point instructions. 3dnow: Use the 3DNow! instruction

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Montag, 16. Dezember 2013, 00:34:13 schrieb Matt Turner: 3dnow: Use the 3DNow! instruction set 3dnowext: Use the Enhanced 3DNow! instruction set mmx: Use the MMX instruction set mmxext: Use the Extended MMX

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:56:32 -0800 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: Attempting to merge =x11-proto/kbproto-1.0.6-r1 results in: x11-proto/kbproto:0 (x11-proto/kbproto-1.0.6-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:56:32 -0800 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: There's a single problem. It can't enable abi_x86_32. Why didn't it just say that? As per the full output, it does: !!! Enabling --newuse

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:25:47 -0800 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Imagine I had simply forgotten to unmask the abi_x86_32 USE flag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-15 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:21:53 -0800 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:25:47 -0800 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-14 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Martin Vaeth va...@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de wrote: The new features use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask have turned maintaining systems with mixed ARCH and ~ARCH keywords into a nightmare: I agree. I have helped two friends convert to Gentoo recently

Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy-level discussion for minimum versions on dependencies

2013-11-09 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Samstag, 9. November 2013, 02:19:32 schrieb Ben de Groot: On 8 November 2013 08:55, Rémi Cardona r...@gentoo.org wrote: Le jeudi 07 novembre 2013 à 10:44 +0100, Alexis Ballier a écrit : in short: if a package

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: converting /etc/mtab to a symlink

2013-10-13 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:32 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: All, from what I'm seeing, we should look into converting /etc/mtab to a symlink to /proc/self/mounts [1]. Are there any remaining concerns about doing this? If not, it seems like it would be pretty easy to make

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-27 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Martin Vaeth va...@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de wrote: I was not suggesting inlining the list into the dependency but only inlining the USE-flag into the (single) perl ebuild. Currently if I have a package which needs e.g. Term-ANSI-Color, but not in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python

2013-09-20 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Justin (jlec) j...@gentoo.org wrote: what is your opinion to set FEATURES=binchecks strip for all those packages which purely install files. For example python package only installing scripts, or perl packages or latex. There might be more. It may help to

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] Minor arches (was: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-09-10)

2013-09-17 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013, Rich Freeman wrote: I didn't really get any response to this one way or another. At the last council meeting a majority of the votes were in favor of delaying taking action, so this is back on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New license: Adaptec

2013-08-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: The license contains nasty clauses like this: If you are a European Consumer you must not export Software outside the country in which you download it without our prior written permission. I.e., if you install the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status. I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords - s390 - sh - ia64 - alpha - m68k - sparc I want some level between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: The proposal is to drop stable keywords on arches that cannot keep up. Do you feel this is not the case on alpha? I'm not sure if that's my claim. I'm worried because I think it might be a disaster for alpha (and perhaps

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there an alternative? afaik a profile can be either stable,dev or exp. I can't see how we can implement something between stable and dev. And what would that represent? It may or may not be stable? If this is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets in the tree

2013-08-14 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/15/2013 04:21 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: On 14 August 2013 21:17, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, hasufell wrote: And their lack of time (to be polite) should not block general progress

Re: [gentoo-dev] systemd team consensus?

2013-08-11 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le dimanche 11 août 2013 à 22:09 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev a écrit : On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: It doesn't help to keep so aggressively pushing it. Neither does so aggressively pushing against it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: ...so, allowing for the ability of 32bit userland with 64bit toolchain (via, say, setting ABI_X86=32 in make.conf) using the eclasses is just outright not ever going to happen? Never mind not supporting it, but essentially

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND

2013-07-31 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:04:56 -0700 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: I committed it last night before your email. # Keep it sorted. Please do not add anything without prior discussion # on gentoo-dev. n32 n64

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND

2013-07-30 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-07-29, o godz. 17:21:15 Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Any objections to me adding an ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND variable so that I can take advantage of the multilib work on mips? But please sent

[gentoo-dev] media-tv/xmltv bugs

2013-07-30 Thread Matt Turner
All versions of xmltv in the tree are EAPI=0. It needs a version bump (bug 288927), an updated home page (bug 325437), and to be ported to EAPI=5 and stabilized (bug 479056). Anyone use it and want to handle these bugs?

[gentoo-dev] Adding ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND

2013-07-29 Thread Matt Turner
Hi, Any objections to me adding an ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND variable so that I can take advantage of the multilib work on mips? Thanks, Matt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping static libs support from cryptsetup and lvm2

2013-07-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM, yac y...@gentoo.org wrote: I have fully encrypted systems, including /, which requires an initramfs with cryptsetup built staticaly. Doesn't it actually require them built statically, or simply that the necessary libraries are also in the initramfs? I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND

2013-07-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: go ahead -- note that some packages have broken multilib deps though Thanks! ah, and it wont work if you dont add support to multilib-build.eclass also. Of course :)

[gentoo-dev] Autobuilds go to /experimental and to /releases only when someone actually tests them

2013-07-26 Thread Matt Turner
(I sent this to gentoo-releng@. Resending to gentoo-dev@ for a wider audience) Can we make autobuilds go to /experimental and then only move them to /releases when someone actually tests them? Looking at bugzilla and listening in #gentoo-releng, it's kind of embarrassing how often someone

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: toolchain-r1.eclass

2013-07-25 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: Then there is a question whether toolchain packages should use EAPI 5, EAPI=5 would be useful for both the mips team (for bug 477956) and for catalyst builders (for subslot dependencies when dealing with binary

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

2013-07-14 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Diego, hasufell wrote: I would object... 10 games are wa too few for a new category and especially pkg moves.. 1 app-antivirus/ 3 net-zope/ 5 x11-base/ 7 gpe-utils/ 8 app-officeext/ 11

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: toolchain update was Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for candidates for Gentoo Council 2013/2014

2013-07-10 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/10/2013 10:03 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 09:27:46PM -0700, Brian Dolbec wrote: The other thing we needed to do was completely remove the use of or building of binpkgs during the

[gentoo-dev] Re: toolchain update was Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for candidates for Gentoo Council 2013/2014

2013-07-06 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: When we then move onto stage 2, it uses just the packages built during stage1 (/tmp/stage1root becomes /). This means, if seed stage has mpc.so.0.1 but portage has since included mpc.so.2 that the gcc in stage2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: toolchain update was Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for candidates for Gentoo Council 2013/2014

2013-07-06 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: Yes, it does need to be rebuilt if key deps are updated. The gcc produced in the stage1 is broken, so won't run to rebuild itself during the stage2 run. But we keep the old libs around via preserve_libs, and once stage1 is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: toolchain update was Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for candidates for Gentoo Council 2013/2014

2013-07-06 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: You are misremembering that we are using preserve_libs to save our butts when mpc is updated and gcc is still linked to the old mpc. I feel very uncomfortable as the recommendation of preserve-libs is to remerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: Perhaps this was covered already, but how exactly did this one file, added by your co-maintainer, hurt you? Did it cause additional bugs? Did it break a working ebuild? Did it kill your cat? It would seem to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CPU use flag detection

2013-05-19 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:31:11 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: [...] ...shouldn't mmxext be moved out of use.local.desc into use.desc? all the cpu flags should be global IMHO, regardless of how many

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CPU use flag detection

2013-05-18 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:59:57 +0200 yac y...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I was recently investigating what cpu flags do I have and how does it work. I have put what I have so far at [1]. So I thought I let you know in case

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx. Amazing. I came to the exact opposite conclusion.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GCC USE flag changes

2013-05-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so bad with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [OT/NIT] Re: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog package.mask

2013-04-23 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: Er, you can't be seriously suggesting we will drop repoman checks with the migration to git? I don't see how that would benefit anyone. Interesting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same discussion again? Can't this be restated as Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it could have bugs in the future?? Tree cleaning packages over

Re: [gentoo-dev] Evaluating a new malloc()

2013-02-26 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: In terms of 'following Gentoo policy.' We encourage packages to be as close to upstream as possible. I cannot fathom why when you basically find a performance bug in malloc, you start a thread on the list about replacing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Evaluating a new malloc()

2013-02-26 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 26 of February 2013 11:44:31 Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: I see a *HUGE* reason. glibc ships with ptmalloc. If you think they should use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.7 unmasking

2013-02-25 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:03:01 -0600 Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm going to be unmasking 4.7.2 later this week. There are still 47 open bugs blocking the 4.7 tracker, so if any are yours now would be a good

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH multilib-build] Tee the build logs to ABI-specific files.

2013-02-21 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: This makes reading them a bit easier, especially with phases run in parallel. --- gx86/eclass/multilib-build.eclass | 7 --- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog profiles.desc

2013-02-19 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 00:02:33 + (UTC) Mike Frysinger (vapier) vap...@gentoo.org wrote: [...] + 07 Jan 2013; Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org profiles.desc: + Mark s390 profiles stable. + 06 Jan 2013; Justin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Porting ZFS to additional architectures

2013-02-05 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: Dear Everyone, Does anyone have root access to Linux systems on any of the following architectures that is willing to help ZFS development? Alpha HPPA IA-64 MIPS/MIPS64 PPC/PPC64 SH SPARC/SPARC64 I want to port

Re: [gentoo-dev] The gx86 multilib project -- masterplan

2013-01-27 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: 5. Solutions to specific problems - 1. x11-proto packages Those packages install headers to /usr/include and pkg-config files to /usr/lib64. This supposedly means that the headers could be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting proper USE_EXPAND variable(s) for multilib

2013-01-20 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: So you want to re-implement multilib-portage in an eclass without the additional benefits a package-manager level implementation has? I really wish you'd just make the PMS diff and get your stuff implemented. How long has it

Re: [gentoo-dev] January stabilization candidates

2013-01-16 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: net-wireless/b43-fwcutter-017 be my guest, although I prefer the bugs personally. That's what he's doing... asking maintainers if it's okay to open stabilization bugs for their packages.

Re: [gentoo-dev] January stabilization candidates

2013-01-16 Thread Matt Turner
honestly this list is such a tinderbox that I hardly read it. I actually missed the email at first and had to go back in the thread when I saw a lot of responses. Hence, I would prefer to get bugs than random emails that I have to search through. So ignore it and he'll open bugs just the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switching order of packages in virtual/pkgconfig

2013-01-02 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: i'd say never. there is no benefit in switching. pkg-config is the default implementation from freedesktop.org. pkg-config is now lighter and has less dependencies than before as the switch from bundled glib1 to glib2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local bindist descriptions

2012-12-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.net wrote: All packages should have local descriptions of what the bindist USE-flag specifically does. This should be a policy when writing ebuilds that include it. Agreed. media-libs/mesa Fixed. (bug 448932)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wordiness

2012-12-21 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: My point is that you consistently write long essays that I, and apparently most others, don't bother to read. I'm not sure if you're aware of this. Someone said on IRC this morning in response to this thread the tragic thing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements

2012-12-20 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still contributing to the

[gentoo-dev] Wordiness

2012-12-20 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Do you realize that you just wrote a two-and-a-half page single-spaced thousand-word email? Seriously, this is way too much. This mailing list is way too much.

Re: [gentoo-dev] borked release media

2012-12-07 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: Hey people, what are we going to do with bugs like: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421839 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445848 I'd like to help with things. Is the process of building livecd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ohloh Organizations - Gentoo Linux

2012-11-27 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: I haven't heard back from them, maybe you can ask them what's up. This has been setup (with Donnie's help): https://www.ohloh.net/orgs/gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Richard Yao posted on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:35:22 -0500 as excerpted: Having a builtin is a good idea, but the implementation as a mandatory dependency on kmod is not. The plan is to reintroduce it as an optional dependency,

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