[gentoo-dev] Re: removing the server profiles...

2013-01-15 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 16/01/2013 10:36, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Hi, several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless) server profiles. The easiest way to do this would be to * just not copy the server profiles

[gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 17/01/2013 19:35, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: my 2ct: * dri and cups should probably be moved to desktop profile * pppd is a local useflag and should be enabled by default in the capi ebuild Definitely agree. Can

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 18/01/2013 01:11, Alexander Berntsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 - -1 here. It's a too specific category name. I can appreciate it easing the headaches for the maintainers, but from a design POV I dislike it. (For the record I also dislike

[gentoo-dev] Re: New, shiny EAPI=5 profiles: volunteer, procedure, preparations

2013-01-18 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 18/01/2013 21:51, Michael Weber wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/12/2013 09:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: 10) add 13 to the selectable Versions in Bugzilla. Not that anybody cares, but 10 and 10.1 are in there. Maybe we could drop these values (dropping

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping hppa-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:19, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello Looks like no package is inside this herd, I think would be safe to drop it. What do you think? Thanks +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:23, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping sparc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:32, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping ppc-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:26, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: net-news herd is empty

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 21:34, Pacho Ramos wrote: Feel free to join for taking care of its packages. If nobody joins, will move that packages to maintainer-needed in a week Thanks Hi, I will join this herd. People who are interested in specific packages should still feel free to add themselves

[gentoo-dev] Re: About completely dropping lcd herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:21, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like it's still listed in herds.xml even being empty and with no packages inside it. Probably it's time to safely remove it completely. OK with that? Best regards +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 20/01/2013 20:10, Pacho Ramos wrote: Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax It should probably be moved to kingtaco (if he is still interested... are you?) or maintainer-needed until any other steps up as maintainer. What do you think about removing this herd? +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: Please stop useless removals

2013-02-01 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2/02/2013 00:36, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01.02.2013 14:26, Rich Freeman wrote: As long as it builds on 80%+ of systems and has no serious issues (security in particular) there is no reason to remove a package. And how will you get to know

[gentoo-dev] Re: On the good usage of subslots

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi, On 9/02/2013 23:15, Alexis Ballier wrote: Dear fellow developers, I hope this will be trivial to most of you but after seeing bug #455900 and the vast majority of developers not even thinking twice before sedding their dep strings, I believe this needs some attention. What is wrong with

[gentoo-dev] Re: On the good usage of subslots

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 10/02/2013 00:47, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 09/02/13 14:15, Alexis Ballier wrote: Dear fellow developers, I didn't find anything to reply directly here, so sorry for stealing this message. I just wanted to point out that people have lately been adding deps like: media-libs/libpng:=

[gentoo-dev] Re: On the good usage of subslots

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 9/02/2013 23:52, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:38:35 +1100 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: I even noticed some maintainers adding subslots dependencies on libraries that do not yet define subslots. This too seems reasonable, given that there would be no impact

[gentoo-dev] Re: On the good usage of subslots

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 10/02/2013 03:06, Zac Medico wrote: On 02/09/2013 06:05 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: Is there a difference in behaviour between 'media-libs/libpng:=' and 'media-libs/libpng' with no slot information at all? I don't know if you phrased your question as intended. Anyway, yes, the difference

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Bugday

2013-02-26 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 27/02/2013 11:39, Pavlos Ratis wrote: Hello everyone, I would like to announce you a new try to 'revive' the Bugday event. As most of the open source projects have their own bugday, I thought it would be great to have this event back. For those who don't know, its a monthly 24h event that

[gentoo-dev] Re: Expanding categories' descriptions

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 1/04/2013 04:29, Denis M. wrote: Hello, (I was redirected from gentoo-doc@ to ask this here.) I think it's a good idea to expand the categories' descriptions (found in the corresponding metadata.xml files) with more accurate descriptions of which packages are welcome to fit in which

[gentoo-dev] Re: sys-apps/texinfo vs @system

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/03/2013 16:59, Mike Frysinger wrote: one option would be to make the makeinfo stuff into a USE flag so all the perl junk isn't pulled in by default. only the packages that actually generate info pages can DEPEND on that. it'd be simpler if we just dropped it altogether from @system. if

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: kde-base/printer-applet kde-base/system-config-printer-kde

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Palimaka
# Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org (01 Apr 2013) # Obsoleted by kde-base/print-manager. Removal in 30 days. kde-base/printer-applet kde-base/system-config-printer-kde

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Establishing Gentoo patch policy to keep our patches consistent and clean

2013-04-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/04/2013 04:22, Markos Chandras wrote: On 6 April 2013 19:08, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, ... What are your thoughts? Maybe it is time to setup a patch tracking system like Debian[1]? Sometimes it is really hard to understand what patches are applied by an ebuild

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Establishing Gentoo patch policy to keep our patches consistent and clean

2013-04-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/04/2013 16:53, Kacper Kowalik wrote: On 06.04.2013 20:08, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, As far as I'm aware, we don't really have much of a patch maintenance policy in Gentoo. There a few loose rules like «don't put awfully big files into FILESDIR» or the common sense «use unified diff», but

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Establishing Gentoo patch policy to keep our patches consistent and clean

2013-04-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/04/2013 07:01, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 08:08:43PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: The above-listed policy will apply to the patches kept in the gx86 tree (in FILESDIRs) and patch archives created by Gentoo developers. They will not apply to the patch archives created

[gentoo-dev] Re: devmanual moved to github

2013-05-12 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 13/05/2013 02:08, Rich Freeman wrote: Second, I think this really points to there being value for something like Gerrit available on Gentoo, which might be the best of both worlds. I've never used it myself but I'm tempted to install it just to start messing with it personally. I'd be

[gentoo-dev] Re: devmanual moved to github

2013-05-12 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 13/05/2013 03:20, Peter Stuge wrote: I agree that Java is sucky, but I don't think that rejecting Gerrit for that reason alone makes sense. Look at what the application does and how it works, to determine if it fits the project or not. I agree, but if infra is not willing to maintain

[gentoo-dev] Re: devmanual moved to github

2013-05-12 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 13/05/2013 04:24, Peter Stuge wrote: Michael Palimaka wrote: I agree that Java is sucky, but I don't think that rejecting Gerrit for that reason alone makes sense. Look at what the application does and how it works, to determine if it fits the project or not. I agree, but if infra

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-19 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 19/05/2013 23:40, Jeroen Roovers wrote: OS: Linux Status: CONFIRMED Severity: enhancement Is a stabilisation an enhancement per se? Usually I think so yes. If it is an urgent stabilisation there is priority field. If all stabilisations are

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/05/2013 18:58, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:57:20 -0600 Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: Huh? The severity of the bug is it's an enhancement. Yes stabilizations are enhancements. Always have been. Why are they enhancements? Them having been this way is not a reason

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/05/2013 19:22, viv...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/21/13 23:38, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, 15:38:44 schrieb Thomas Sachau: And if a maintainer is not responding within 30 days, you can ping him or, without a response, try to get a different maintainer. Just assuming

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/05/2013 20:07, viv...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/22/13 11:43, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 22/05/2013 19:22, viv...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/21/13 23:38, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, 15:38:44 schrieb Thomas Sachau: And if a maintainer is not responding within 30 days

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/05/2013 20:41, Thomas Sachau wrote: Michael Palimaka schrieb: On 22/05/2013 20:07, viv...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/22/13 11:43, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 22/05/2013 19:22, viv...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/21/13 23:38, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, 15:38:44 schrieb

[gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/05/2013 21:00, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:07:26 +0200 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: Is a stabilisation an enhancement per se? If all stabilisations are enhancements, then why isn't Severity set to Normal instead? (What is an enhanced severity to begin with,

[gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: qt5

2013-05-27 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi all, Qt 5 has been available for some time, and we are making preparations to move it to the tree. As we will be supporting user choice where packages can be build against both Qt 4 and Qt 5, we will require a new global USE flag: qt5 - Adds support for the Qt 5 application and UI

[gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: qt5

2013-05-27 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 28/05/2013 01:34, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 27/05/13 18:06, Michael Palimaka wrote: Hi all, Qt 5 has been available for some time, and we are making preparations to move it to the tree. As we will be supporting user choice where packages can be build against both Qt 4 and Qt 5, we

[gentoo-dev] Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-28 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi, I have set up a Review Board instance[1] for testing / evaluation / whatever-you-want purposes. If you are not familiar with what happens in a review, there are a number of established Review Boards to look at.[2] This instance is currently configured for gentoo-x86, as well as a

[gentoo-dev] Re: Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 29/05/2013 02:07, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: Hi! Cool! I didnt use RB before, but i use gerrit. Do you pan to integrate it to g.o.g.o? It seems can be done by git commit hooks What sort of integration did you have in mind?

[gentoo-dev] Re: Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 29/05/2013 21:18, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: Yep I'm thinking about gerrit like workflow. But seems it doesnt make sense with RB and CVS. Yes, Review Board and Gerrit target different things.

[gentoo-dev] Re: PSA: python-r1.eclass, python-single-r1.eclass, and REQUIRED_USE

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 28/05/2013 01:35, Jonathan Callen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 A quick reminder for anyone using python-r1.eclass or python-single-r1.eclass: These eclasses provide a ${PYTHON_REQUIRED_USE} variable that should be included in REQUIRED_USE under the same USE

[gentoo-dev] Re: PSA: python-r1.eclass, python-single-r1.eclass, and REQUIRED_USE

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 30/05/2013 01:06, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/2013 04:51 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: Would it be possible to add repoman checks for this, and other common failures like missing PYTHON_USEDEP? The latter is impossible. Repoman has no way

[gentoo-dev] Re: cmake-utils.eclass dropping EAPI 0/1 support

2013-06-14 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/06/2013 09:05, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:48:21 -0400 Chris Reffett creff...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/13/2013 06:37 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: At the beginning of July, the KDE team will be removing EAPI 0/1 support from

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] SRC_URI behaviour

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 15/06/2013 23:47, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: restrict+http: (as suggested by the OP) is probably not enough because it doesn't distinguish between fetch and mirror restriction. nofetch+http and nomirror+http ? Or the other way around:

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs

2013-06-16 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 16/06/2013 23:02, g...@malth.us wrote: There'd be no problem resurrecting it from the grave, if need be, would there? Please note that being unmaintained does not mean the package will be removed. That would only happen if there are long term unresolved issues with the package. Best

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] SRC_URI behaviour

2013-06-16 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 16/06/2013 10:24, Zac Medico wrote: How about it we add a src_fetch phase, so that the VCS intricacies can be delegated to ebuilds/eclasses (like they are now, but without having to abuse src_unpack). If we include a way for src_fetch to communicate changes in VCS revisions to the package

[gentoo-dev] Re: Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/06/2013 11:42, Robin H. Johnson wrote: This needs to be in the above data: So we have: Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} So most of my packages might be coded with: nmu-policy

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 24/06/2013 07:30, Pavlos Ratis wrote: That's why I'd like to propose Gentoo Hangouts. Gentoo Hangouts will be Google+ video Hangouts(video calls) held by teams or developers independent of a team. The main goal is to have the teams introduce themselves and discuss about different issues in

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 25/06/2013 22:42, Egg Plant wrote: I don't know whether a new gentoo user like me have any say here, I would like to point out some problems about this proposal ! 1. Video requires high bandwidth internet, so useless in developing countries, where even today you can not think of 24x7

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 26/06/2013 01:09, Egg Plant wrote: According to Pavlos Ratis proposal, it will be another channel of communication. I am not protesting to setup an unofficial channel there. I am fearing that it will gradually become an avenue for talent show, similar to other binary distros. That is why I

[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

2013-07-14 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 15/07/2013 03:17, Rich Freeman wrote: I agree that precedence alone isn't really a good basis for this. I don't really have concerns with the initial category size so much as the general lack of a definition for this category. I agree. The boundaries between games-rpg and games-adventure,

[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

2013-07-14 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 15/07/2013 03:38, Damien Levac wrote: What immediately comes to mind as a decent way to split games is the wikipedia page for video game genres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_genres That would make 7 categories and the game description could include the subcategory if necessary.

[gentoo-dev] Re: revbumping ebuilds after USE dependency changes

2013-07-25 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 25/07/2013 05:17, Michał Górny wrote: Actually per PMS you are required to revbump (and therefore require upgrade on users' side) whenever you change the deps and don't expect to add a new version soon enough. Can you please provide a link/reference to that part? I am interested in reading

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remember to specify SLOT when adding subslot operator to dependencies

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 5/08/2013 19:33, Samuli Suominen wrote: This is a friendly reminder. I've found the tree again to have dependencies like: dev-libs/openssl:= virtual/jpeg:= Is there any reason for the subslot operator being specified at all? I don't see those packages defining any subslots.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remember to specify SLOT when adding subslot operator to dependencies

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 5/08/2013 21:58, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 05/08/13 13:56, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 5/08/2013 19:33, Samuli Suominen wrote: This is a friendly reminder. I've found the tree again to have dependencies like: dev-libs/openssl:= virtual/jpeg:= Is there any reason for the subslot operator

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remember to specify SLOT when adding subslot operator to dependencies

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 6/08/2013 01:06, Samuli Suominen wrote: The plan is to change SLOT of virtual/jpeg from 0 to eg. 0/1 after next SONAME change in the default of the virtual, so it's useful to have everything depend on virtual/jpeg:0= ready, to get the benefits of the subslot. Does that mean that anyone that

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remember to specify SLOT when adding subslot operator to dependencies

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 6/08/2013 01:07, Rich Freeman wrote: I suspect most maintainers would rather upgrade their package once to EAPI5 and not keep checking back every month to see if there is a new opportunity to add another slot operator dep. If maintainers don't add them up-front even with the deps don't

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remember to specify SLOT when adding subslot operator to dependencies

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 6/08/2013 02:13, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 02:03:28 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: How often does this situation even come up? If 9/10 times the libraries are set up as maintainers expect them to be, it is probably better to deal with the odd

[gentoo-dev] Re: Response to a friendly note about changing bug reports

2013-08-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/08/2013 20:34, Kacper Kowalik wrote: * every atom needs a = in front, and * Please stabilize XXX should always be replaced by XXX stabilization. Those two are actually useful. There are many scripts used by ATs that parse title field. One could argue: Fix your damn scripts but in the end

[gentoo-dev] Re: Response to a friendly note about changing bug reports

2013-08-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/08/2013 07:46, Jeroen Roovers wrote: Besides the finer technical points of bug maintenance, it simply infuriates me that anyone would think of bug reports in the possessive. This is not the way to improve the distro. You're on the wrong track there. And you weren't being friendly. In this

[gentoo-dev] Re: Response to a friendly note about changing bug reports

2013-08-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/08/2013 22:18, Tom Wijsman wrote: We usually take it a step further, putting the actual error there; if the maintainer reads the error, it will be clear it failed to build: =kde-base/kmail-4.8.10 with GCC 4.8 - File:Line:Char: Error: Reason Is there any benefit to adding = in this case?

[gentoo-dev] Re: Response to a friendly note about changing bug reports

2013-08-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 7/08/2013 22:41, hasufell wrote: You are a bug wrangler and should have the authority to mess with anything in bugzilla. Don't forget that anybody can start a project, even if it conflicts with other projects. While Jeroen's experience certainly gives him a more insight regarding bugzilla

[gentoo-dev] Re: Response to a friendly note about changing bug reports

2013-08-08 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 8/08/2013 07:52, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Guys, please, if you want to bikeshed about bug summary, please do it in a constructive way and get the automated bug assignment project going. I think at least one bug wrangler already uses a local script to do something similar to that. Any

[gentoo-dev] Sets in the tree

2013-08-14 Thread Michael Palimaka
Now that portage-2.2 is in ~arch, we should now be able to add sets to the tree. How should we go about doing this? In some overlays, the repository root has sets/{foo,bar,etc} and sets.conf which might look like this: [gentoo sets] class = portage.sets.files.StaticFileSet multiset = true

[gentoo-dev] Re: Sets in the tree

2013-08-14 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/08/2013 23:02, Michał Górny wrote: No, we can't. Sets are portage-specific, the tree needs to follow PMS. Are you saying we can't use sets at all in the tree, or we can't use them to replace existing meta packages?

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 05:31, Tom Wijsman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:28:15 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: I see a few issues with ~arch - table migrations: #1 - things just sit in ~arch. The auto-stablereq script should help with this

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 05:24, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:19:10 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: All, I'm not really sure what the answer to this problem is, so I want to know what the group thinks about how we can handle it. During the last release of OpenRC, I learned

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 17:54, Sergey Popov wrote: Why we should bring new half-stable, half-testing keyword for this? I think that this is no way to go. We should improve current situation with arches by some other ways(e.g., recruiting people). Maybe drop some damn-bad understaffed arches to unstable

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 18:10, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:51:37 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21/08/2013 05:31, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:28:15 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: That script has been running for long enough now

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 18:30, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:04:45 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: We would probably benefit from formalising a clearer definition of arch/~arch - it seems to mean a lot of different things to different people. http://devmanual.gentoo.org

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 07:05, Tom Wijsman wrote: See `imlate --mtime=180 -s | less`. (From app-portage/gentoolkit-dev) I quote: == 4392 Stable candidates for 'gentoo' on 'amd64' == Let's double the number to a

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 20:31, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:13:00 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: For those not familiar with imlate, please note that these numbers include packages that have never been stabilised. True, this brings up two questions: 1. How do we

[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/08/2013 21:04, Markos Chandras wrote: I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords - s390 - sh - ia64 - alpha - m68k - sparc +1

[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/08/2013 01:56, Michael Weber wrote: On 08/21/2013 01:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: The manpower on these arches is below acceptable levels and they often block stabilizations for many months. This also causes troubles to developers trying to get rid of old versions of packages. I am

[gentoo-dev] Re: Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/08/2013 01:32, Matt Turner wrote: I want some level between stable and completely supported and loses all its stable keywords., at least for alpha. Is switching their profiles to dev the way to do that? What would you feel about instead of dropping stable completely, re-evaluating which

[gentoo-dev] Re: About perl-5.18 unmasking

2013-09-08 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 9/09/2013 02:40, Markos Chandras wrote: Moreover, I don't think raising this issue to the mailing list is appropriate as a first step. Based on the number of replies to -commits that end up on here, it's no surprise that it can appear appropriate to raise an issue like this here

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 483274] app-text/poppler-0.22.5 Please stabilize

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 16/09/2013 23:01, Markos Chandras wrote: On 16 September 2013 13:41, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Please stop pointless bugspam. Am Montag, 16. September 2013, 14:20:51 schrieben Sie: DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL. Also, do not reply via email to the person whose email is

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 483274] app-text/poppler-0.22.5 Please stabilize

2013-09-16 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 16/09/2013 23:33, Alex Legler wrote: On 16.09.2013 15:19, Rich Freeman wrote: Additionally, can anybody who knows more about bugzilla comment on how easy it would be to have some way to mark modifications as trivial, and take this into account in the bugspam? Either make it configurable as

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 483274] app-text/poppler-0.22.5 Please stabilize

2013-09-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 17/09/2013 15:58, Duncan wrote: Note that it wasn't JUST punctuation/capitalization that changed in the given example, but the version number, 1.2.3 = 1.7.3, as well. Is that still a trivial change? Altho I'm not sure whether kensington changed the version number in his example

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python

2013-09-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/09/2013 10:49, Duncan wrote: In addition to what the others have said, FEATURES= ?? AFAIK, FEATURES is PM-implementation-specific and not part of PMS. It's not something ebuilds/eclasses should be messing with or care about at all, as it's PM- private-implementation domain, not ebuild

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python

2013-09-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/09/2013 00:26, Michał Górny wrote: This is just another of portage's deviations from the standard. PMS doesn't list RESTRICT=binchecks, and I suppose this makes using it in the tree at least a little wrong. It does however say: Package managers may recognise other tokens, but ebuilds may

[gentoo-dev] Re: unstable/testing keywords

2013-09-23 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 23/09/2013 22:03, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:59:37 +0200 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Jack Morgan schrieb: I find this confusing and hope to clear it up. According to emerge/portage man pages we have stable keywords (ARCH) and unstable packages

[gentoo-dev] Re: News item: m68k, s390, and sh are dropping stable keywords

2013-09-23 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 23/09/2013 21:34, Samuli Suominen wrote: [ ... ] Stealing random mail from this thread. Because I've seen some commits today for reverting the mentioned KEYWORDS to ~arch in some ebuilds I'm not sure if everyone is aware that the arch status is set using profiles/profiles.desc and as I'm

[gentoo-dev] Re: News item: m68k, s390, and sh are dropping stable keywords

2013-09-23 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 23/09/2013 22:52, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote: Because I've seen some commits today for reverting the mentioned KEYWORDS to ~arch in some ebuilds I'm not sure if everyone is aware that the arch status is set using profiles/profiles.desc and as I'm

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 26/09/2013 20:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:51:26 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: There isn't a 100% perfect solution currently, and I agree that hurrying people will simply move us from not enough rebuilds to too many rebuilds. This is still a huge

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Policy for migrating library consumers to subslots

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 27/09/2013 00:12, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/09/13 06:51 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 26/09/2013 17:53, Michał Górny wrote: How do we handle packages which install multiple libraries? I'm afraid forcing such a policy and/or hurrying

[gentoo-dev] Re: Portage Git migration - clean cut or git-cvsserver

2012-05-23 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2012-05-23 22:42, Michael Weber wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, i've looked at the blockers of [TRACKER] portage migration to git [1] and want to discuss testing git-cvsserver [2]. There are two proposed scenarios how to migrate the developers write access to the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-sound/kid3: metadata.xml kid3-2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2012-06-07 23:06, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 06/07/2012 04:06 PM, Michael Palimaka (kensington) wrote: kensington 12/06/07 13:06:48 Modified: metadata.xml ChangeLog Added: kid3-2.1.ebuild Log: Version bump. Add upstream metadata. (Portage version: 2.1.10.65/cvs/Linux x86_64) Revision

[gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-23 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi, A number of package using cmake and qmake currently do something like this: LANGS=en de fr for x in ${LANGS}; do IUSE=${IUSE} linguas_${x} done This is ugly, so for some time the loop has been included in qt4-r2, and I'd also like to add it to cmake-utils. As far as I can see,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2012-06-24 18:34, Ben de Groot wrote: We at qt@ have been discussing this on and off. We would like to see a linguas.eclass happen, because already now we start having code duplication. So instead of this duplication of code between qt4-r2 and cmake-utils eclasses, why not put this into a

[gentoo-dev] Re: Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2012-06-24 18:48, Michał Górny wrote: Of course, another question is whether LINGUAS does actually benefit users. If compiling another .po files takes a lot of time, probably yes. If it doesn't, I would think about getting rid of that and just installing everything. Additional removal can be

[gentoo-dev] Re: euscan GSoC project - requesting feedback

2012-06-28 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2012-06-27 17:51, Federico fox Scrinzi wrote: Hi everybody! I'm working on a GSoC project for enhancing Euscan (http://euscan.iksaif.net/). Euscan allows to check if a given package/ebuild has new upstream versions or not. It uses different heuristic to scan upstream and grab new versions

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/ssh-installkeys

2012-07-15 Thread Michael Palimaka
# Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org (15 Jul 2012) # Bundles dev-python/pexpect (bug #315843) # Replaced by ssh-copy-id from net-misc/openssh. # Removal in 30 days. net-misc/ssh-installkeys

[gentoo-dev] Re: Portage FEATURE suggestion - limited-visibility builds

2012-07-27 Thread Michael Palimaka
Autodep[1][2] is a current implementation of this idea, with library hook and FUSE options. Would definitely love to see more development in this area. :) [1]: https://dev.gentoo.org/~neurogeek/guidexml/ [2]: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/autodep.git;a=summary

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-util/cccc

2012-08-07 Thread Michael Palimaka
# Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org (7 Aug 2012) # Fails to build with GCC 4.7 (bug #430250) # Bundles utilities from dev-util/pccts # Dead upstream. Removal in 30 days. dev-util/

[gentoo-dev] Re: About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 2012-09-13 03:59, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello Currently, package maintainers are CCed to security bugs when their are needed. The problem is that, once maintainers add a fixed version and tell security team they are ok to get it stabilized, maintainers are kept CCed until bug is closed by

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-libs/libwww

2012-10-18 Thread Michael Palimaka
# Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org (18 Oct 2012) # md5 module breaks on 64-bit through improper types (bug #320253), # libwww-config fails to mention libssl (bug #327377), # poor programming practices (bug #259287). # Dead upstream, masked for removal in 30 days. net-libs/libwww

[gentoo-dev] Merging the devrel handbook into the devmanual

2012-10-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi all, In bug #304435[1], hwoarang suggested merging the devrel handbook[2] into the devmanual[3]. As the project has grown, so has the amount - and dispersion - of development information. I believe consolidation of this information into a single point will make everyone's (especially new

[gentoo-dev] Documenting touching of arch profiles' files

2012-11-01 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi all, With regards to bug #304435[1], we would like to formalise the policy for touching arch profiles' files. The key suggested points: * Archs profiles should generally only be touched by members of that arch team, unless prior permission is given * Exception: anyone may add a mask to

[gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog package.mask

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Palimaka
Hi, On 2012-11-11 18:44, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote: --- package.mask11 Nov 2012 02:03:39 - 1.14217 +++ package.mask11 Nov 2012 07:44:58 - 1.14218 -# Michael Weber xmw-abrp7r+bbdudnm+yrof...@public.gmane.org (9 Jun 2012) -# The mentioned versions fail to

[gentoo-dev] Re: official games repository

2013-10-21 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 21/10/2013 09:43, Tom Wijsman wrote: An alternative would probably be gerrit which vapier seems to be a fan of. But we don't even have an ebuild. Since I have just noticed this is Java, CC-ed us on the bug and this is on my list; but given its size, I can't make any promises as to when we

[gentoo-dev] Re: Reminder: open season on robbat2's packages

2013-10-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/10/2013 09:10, Robin H. Johnson wrote: dev-util/checkbashisms As described in bug #426828, this package currently uses an abandoned upstream, with a much more recent version maintained by Debian. I'd like to, at a minimum, update to a newer version. The better long-term solution is to

[gentoo-dev] Re: About preferred ntp provider

2013-11-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 12/11/2013 08:13, Pacho Ramos wrote: Reading: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489044 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489040 I don't know what should be preferred, personally I use net-misc/ntp simply because I have always being using it, also looks like we don't have any

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