I wanted to add this bit of info, sorry:
Despite my efforts, I've been unable to find any replacements to take
over kerberos maintenance. Obviously, heimdal has been unmaintained for
even longer, but mit-krb5 is now orphaned as well. I would encourage
interested devs or interested users to see
Dear Gentoo Devs and Users,
The time has finally come for me to resign from Gentoo. I've been
meaning to do it for many months now, but the logistics took a little
bit of time. Effective Monday, Nov. 26, I will no longer consider
myself an official Gentoo developer. Before then I will make
Can we just unsubscribe this person from this list? This is absolutely
ludicrous.
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jerrya
Never heard of this person
horton
Solar would know him.
luke-jr
No real name, I dunno his email address, but he used to be in CT when he
joined up. He joined to work on the installer project.
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As soon as you define your own src_install() function in your ebuild, it
will override the eclass's src_install function.
Thanks,
Seemant
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On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 15:45 -0500, Dale wrote:
I just decided to grow a pair today and speak up.
That right there is the most important thing you could have done. I hope
more users and devs decide to speak up about things.
Thanks,
Seemant
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On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 21:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
The set of people who respond is
heavily skewed towards better-informed users who have time to seek out
and participate in that kind of questioning.
Fair point, but the more better-informed users we have, the better it is
for everyone
Thanks for expressing your point of view that clearly. I stand with
you. Gentoo, for a while, has been taking itself *way* too seriously.
Perhaps that mentality is part of the inevitability of a project's
evolution through its own stages of life. Or perhaps, it's just human
nature to shriek in
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:33 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
*sigh*
It seems impossible to have any sort of discussion with you (unless one
is in agreement with you, of course, and then one is clear headed)
without eliciting a *sigh* -- I don't think it's particularly the
healthiest way to have
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 20:07 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Unless there are third party repositories shipping their own
from-scratch ebuilds... In which case, afaics there's nothing to stop
*them* from going GPL-3 if they think there's a reason to do so. Unless
the Foundation somehow claims
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 13:24 -0700, Mike Doty wrote:
All-
We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only
devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate
in
bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 13:50 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On Sunday, 08. July 2007 13:04:24 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote:
What about moving Gentoo stuff to `GPLv3 or later'?
I'm strongly opposed to the or later part for the simple reason that
this implicates we will agree with stuff we
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 16:46 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote:
I personally think at gpl-3 is better as gpl-2 because GPLv3 will block
tivoization. Tivoization means computers (called “appliances”) contain
GPL-covered software that you can't change, because the appliance shuts down
if
it
FWIW, I like this idea a lot. A lot of devs would rather just read the
good stuff happening in -dev and discard the other 85%. I vote yes.
Thanks,
Seemant
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On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 23:49 +0100, Steve Long wrote:
Oh I see, when it's
stuff *you* care about, it's development. Cool.
That's sort of the point, isn't it? Developers are here mostly to
scratch their own respective itches -- so, by necessity, we talk about
stuff we care about.
Is the council planning on replacing the two missing members (Flameeyes
and Kloeri)?
Thanks,
Seemant
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On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 20:18 -0700, Mike Doty wrote:
uberlord replaced flameeyes the month after he left.
duh @ me, sorry about that.
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On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 00:33 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
Hello All,
sys-apps/915resolution superseed this package and support 855 configurations.
Please upgrade your configuration to sys-apps/915resolution.
Comments/suggestions can be entered at bug#159586.
Package will be masked at
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 13:39 -0700, Ned Ludd wrote:
You might be overreacting a little here. To bring you up to speed
vapier actually filed the original bug for this after I first noticed
one of these atoms creeping into the tree while doing pre release atom
compare testing for portage-utils
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 19:31 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
It seems that every time I open my email client, somebody out there is
trying to say that by the Council using the powers afforded to them that
somehow they're conspiring to take down Gentoo. Yeah... because that's
just what the
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 00:30 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
In my eyes it was a policy issue. Tree-wide policies have to pass the
council in one form or the other. So why shouldn't Council care here?
My argument is not that Council should not care. My question is: what's
the big urgency to rush
You suck for leaving before me.
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On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:16 +0100, Charlie Shepherd wrote:
On 04/04/07, Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please except my apologies
I don't know about excepting them. I might accept them though. :)
Nice catch. My language skills are degrading rapidly :(
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On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 13:29 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
Why not simply allow trustees to veto a council decision ? This does
not give trustees enough power to be a second council, but would
permit them to stop something that they believe will damage Gentoo.
This is very little red tape IMHO.
All,
Please except my apologies for the strong language in my initial
response to this. I've been informed that Samir is the real deal and
not just a marketing droid.
The things that set me off were:
1. Cross posting the same message to a bunch of different mailing lists
2. The HTML
What the fuck is this spamming about?
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On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:16 +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:02:28 +0200
Christopher Covington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first condition you list is a sort of nativism that I for one
would expect not to find in a successful copyleft project created on
the Internet.
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 23:39 +0100, Steve Long wrote:
Seemant Kulleen wrote:
That's uncalled for. There's no need to get nasty.
I applaud your intent, but feel it would have far more effect on the
atmosphere if applied to a few of your devs, rather than users who employ
milder terms
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 20:42 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote:
i don't think that personal issues should be taken into account when it
comes to choosing a new official package manager for gentoo.
It's relevant in that people have to work with the developers of the
package manager. Unlike most
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 22:22 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Paludis is a package manager, not a distribution. And no, the GPL does
not mean there's nothing to lose -- the Zynot fork did a fair bit of
damage to Gentoo, and no-one wants a repeat of that mess...
Only in terms of morale. In fact,
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 23:41 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
In which case your Paludis fork of Gentoo will take off like a
Please, pretty please with sugar atop: Stop this FUD about forking
Gentoo. Paludis is not a fork of Gentoo, it's new package manager. The
relation between Portage and
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 14:53 +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
Correct, because the only way Ciaran can prove beyond doubt that his Paludis
is a viable option is to see hundreds, nay millions, of people using it. I'm
quite sure that he won't achieve that goal by bleating in here as frequently
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 03:07 +0530, Anant Narayanan wrote:
Sure it's not ideal and I acknowledge that. But portage is tied very
closely to Gentoo for historical reasons, and it is not reasonable to
expect an alternate package manager to replace it (not in the near
future atleast).
I fail to understand why the portage developers would refuse to
accept a patch that actually improves something (without causing
major regressions i.e.). If they do refuse such a patch (for
political reasons), then we have a serious problem. However, based on
past experience with the
So, maybe this is a boneheadedly obvious thing, but having just spoken
with Daniel about this, I'll just summarise my findings.
I, for one, was always using alsa-driver for my new Dell laptop. As it
turns out, Dan has the identical laptop, but he's always been using the
in-kernel driver. I
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:38 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400
Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems to
take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually a little
disturbing that it does
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 03:21 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Well, if it's reached the take drastic action stage (which, let's
face it, it has at this point), why not go and fix the tree? It's a
better solution than breaking it, and anyone who moans now isn't going
to get any sympathy from
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 03:38 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
what is the problem as you see it ? the nice thing about having a ~/.config/
is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to backups or sync
programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple machines ... you dont
have to
Hi Alexandre,
Good luck in your new life. My only comment is that I think you copped
out by not submitting your proposals for any sort of peer review. You
succumbed to the possibility (that you seem to think is more of a
probability -- you may be right, I don't know) that it would not be
OK, you three. Knock it off. Right now. This is exactly the sort of
utter nonsense that we've been talking about viz. what's going on on
this mailing list.
There is no excuse to be an asshole, Stephen, because in doing so (even
as a retaliation) renders your own point null and void. It's one
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 16:38 +, George Prowse wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:37 + George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You miss the point. This was not the first time a resignation stunt had
been pulled by that developer, and previously another
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 18:40 +0100, Jakob Buchgraber wrote:
So why don't you start rewriting, refactoring and improving the portage
source? It definitely doesn't make sense to create a competing package
management system.
How is this useful, honestly? Ciaran's exercising his strengths:
Both of you please stop this thread right here. It's getting nobody
anywhere.
Thanks,
seemant
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On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:03 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
portage has been doing the right thing with $D in pkg_* functions and IMAGE
is
just an annoying nuance that most people screw up
so in your pkg_* functions, use $D, not $IMAGE, to refer to the temporary
install
-mike
Good to know
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 20:02 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
How useful is the X use flag in gkrellm? Just thinking if it would be
better to just remove the use flag and always build that code.
Regards,
Petteri
Back in the day, when gkrellm2 first came out, they had this option of
building
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 07:32 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
I'm also curious as to why people should be expected to assign
copyright to a group that is known for licence violations and removing
attribution from documents. How does this protect anything?
Yeah, you cry foul when people paint you
change much in functionality based on
config, which is pretty good (ie, backwards compatibility). In this
case, I'm not sure legacy is all that bad, simply because it's
expressive and concise and easily understood :)
thanks,
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that those who've interacted with me know that).
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On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:08 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
However, for several reasons this is not yet feasible, and furthermore
Just for the sake of completeness can you outline those reasons?
Thanks,
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experience with cvs and svn, not git or bzr or any of the
other stuff that's out there, so I honestly do not know what their
models and workflows are. So from my own uneducated stance, svn
wouldn't be a workflow issue at all for most things, no?
Thanks,
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Welcome on board, Marijn, I'm looking forward to doing the gnucash bumps
with you soon :)
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I was amazed this morning when I clicked on a bug link in my email, and
then clicked over to the browser. The bug page had (gasp!) *already
loaded*!! That's amazing, I've never seen our bugzilla do that ever.
Thanks infra, corey and GNi
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in the tree, so start
at maintainer-needed or drill into some specific teams (gnome, pam,
kerberos, kde, bsd, samba, mail, web-apps, there's a list of herds
somewhere).
Spread the word!
Thanks,
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Betelgeuse,
I'll take sqlite if you and I can co-maintain it.
Thanks,
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saw
responses before the parent message in a few sub-threads, today. Enough
with the bashing (there's an irony to your own stuart bashing above),
already.
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Kurt,
Thanks for expressing your reasons properly on the list and in the text
file on your d.g.o home. It's certainly gone a long way to my own
understanding of your reasoning.
Thanks,
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Saleem Gnome Team,
I think it's high time this was done. My suggestion would be to
publicise this *beyond* just the gentoo-dev list. I would put this on
-user and in the forums (and one of you should probably blog before the
fact as well).
Thanks,
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as
annoying as you find klie^WSPF.
Silly silly, and it doesn't belong on the list. Please don't be part of
the problem.
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is certainly a good way to get
frustrated.
Please stop being ridiculous, Council: if you're not going to actually
listen to the people who voted for you without talking down to them,
then, er, why exactly, did you run?
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Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say. I'll give you a
better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling
from the news.
I'll miss you, that's for sure.
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!
And give me some of that popcorn.
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suppose).
Thanks,
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:) Finally, thanks to all those who stepped up as nominees.
Thanks,
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there was no qmerge either)
FEATURES=nodoc noinfo noman should solve at least some of those
issues, I should think.
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because, at its root, that's what they *want* to
do -- that's how they exercise their own empowerment. Feel free to join
in the fray and exercise your own :)
Thanks,
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welcome to our newest Freedom-man.
Thanks,
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to its core, but first we have to actually decide what its core actually
is. Hint: majority architectures are *not*. Gentoo, at heart, is a
meta-distribution, and all that that implies.
Thanks,
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On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 15:48 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
Michael Cummings wrote:
Geo-IP
Can you please leave this one, it's rather useful :)
What's its use? Furthermore, does its used get decreased through the
employment of g-cpan to install it?
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, there would actually be a leadership situation
in place. You can argue that Gentoo *began* its life as a business, but
the past three years have been far removed from that paradigm.
Thanks,
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.
Thanks,
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alias,
the herds.xml list and the project page to make WilliamH officially the
Team Lead for the project. If anyone is interested in helping him out
please feel free to email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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here), and then something against the things that
are solved with that, and on and on ad nauseum. And quite honestly, at
this point, it is nauseating. Get over yourselves.
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it? All he did was try and redirect where complaints should go. Stop
being such a drama queen, jeez.
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Congratulations to the new council. I hope for a lot of progress this
year outta you guys :)
Thanks,
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, only 5 people were nominated. Thus, they formed the new board:
I present to you, then, the new Board of Trustees:
Chris Gianelloni (wolf31o2)
Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
Stuart Herbert (stuart)
Seemant Kulleen (seemant)
Renat Lumpau (rl03)
We will schedule the first Board Meeting for this year
definitely impress with me :)
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about is the council -- the council posts to -dev
before and after every meeting (and puts meeting logs up on the website
within days of a meeting). I suppose the webpage itself could be
updated, but I'm unsure what else the council can do. Perhaps you have
some ideas?
Thanks!
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solution to that problem.
Note, that nowhere did I aske what the right solution is. Please be so
kind as to actually *read* what others are saying to you, instead of
presuming.
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Thanks for the nomination SpanKY :) I'll decline this time around, to
make room for fresh minds.
Thanks,
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actually raising any
issues that he was against, other than a nebulous concern about QA.
Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a starting
place.
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On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 04:06 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:50:31 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a
| starting place.
-!- [Users #gentoo-sunrise]
-!- @genstef devon bonsaikitten_ Zamorate eimono
OK wait, on your servers, are you actually planning to *use* any of the
ebuilds in Sunrise's overlay?
If not, how is it a concern? I personally don't use any of them, and my
system is running perfectly fine.
Let's not forget that nobody is shoving Sunrise down anyone's throat...
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makes you think four
people can?
I think, again, people are not looking at Sunrise as a training ground.
It's better to start teaching people QA, and doing so in an active
rather than a passive medium. Again, I haven't yet seen a reason to
kill Sunrise.
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please put a stop to the look, but it's *them* doing it, how can you
trust those people? bullshit already.
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your reply. Please answer those as well.
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leadership, as
the events of the past few months show fairly clearly.
Thanks for listening,
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I'd like to nominate:
SpanKY/vapier
azarah
solar
Kugelfang
Mr_Bones_
dsd_
Thanks,
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Paul,
Congratulations! What did you and your wife name him? When exactly was
he born, etc?
Give us details!!
:)
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First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical
decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but
aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds?
What is this absolute nonsense of you don't like my toy, you can't have
your toy going on
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:09 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote:
You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because he
*doesn't* give one unofficial overlay special treatment over another?
The jave unofficial overlay is well on its way to becoming an official
and officially hosted
Also, just so I'm clear on my stance on this:
I don't care one whit about whether those keywords are used in bugzilla
or not. Keywords are a way to help bugzilla users use bugzilla. As for
perceptions about it -- as long sunrise is clear on their pages that
they are absolutely not official as
I've been thinking about Solar's email. I believe Solar is actually
very correct in his assessment.
I think I'll recant my initial statement about devrel. To KingTaco and
the gang: my apologies, you guys did the right thing at the time.
Thanks,
Seemant
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On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:04 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
Hi,
solar has requested an account on overlays.gentoo.org for the embedded
overlay for you.
Your password: DX7wnSe40Y
Kind regards,
Stefan
Was the list the intended recipient of this?
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Hi All,
Just to let you know: ipkg-utils' last rites have been postponed
indefinitely. James Rowe and I will be maintaining it from here on in.
Thanks James!
Thanks all,
Seemant
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Hi All,
Consider this both a rant and a GLEP pre-proposal. When we created the
idea of herds back in the day, there was a clear distinction between a
herd and a team (and a project). Over time, those definitions have
become blurry. I would like emphasise:
A herd is a group of like *packages*
Is there a reason for this besides the definitions not falling into
place as they should? I'm not seeing a benefit from this to be honest.
People refer to teams as herds a lot of the time. It has become a
statement over time that people understand. I'm not sure why we want to
try and
Dear All,
I've attached the council meeting logs thanks to my proxy dsd. I have
updated the council project page to add them there and to add a summary
of the events. I suppose when that thar www refreshes itself on the
internets, the new content will show up.
Meanwhile...enjoy :)
Thanks,
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