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On 16.07.2014 18:06, Rich Freeman wrote:
IANAL, but there is no such concept as abandonware in copyright
law.
[...]
This is legally a very risky thing to do. If you're going to do
it you want to take advantage of countries with friendly laws,
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Hello Jason,
On 11.02.2014 01:36, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
It's a sandbox that uses a combination of ptrace and seccomp bpf;
neither ours nor exherbo's uses both of these together.
Actually, sydbox, Exherbo's sandbox *does* use both together.
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On 11.12.2013 22:07, Peter Stuge wrote:
If vixie-cron upstream is dead as you say
Define dead?
The latest upstream release is this:
cron_4.1.shar 2004-Jan-23 19:20:23200.7K application/octet-stream
As you can see, it will turn ten soon.
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On 09.08.2013 02:26, Mike Auty wrote:
I could be a KDE developer, or a Gentoo documenter, or work on
mplayer. All those people are open source contributors and
necessary ones, but that doesn't mean that any of them necessarily
has the skills or
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On 01.02.2013 14:26, Rich Freeman wrote:
As long as it builds on 80%+ of systems and has no serious issues
(security in particular) there is no reason to remove a package.
And how will you get to know about current or future security issues if
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On 01.02.2013 14:47, Rich Freeman wrote:
And how will you get to know about current or future security
issues if nobody (in Gentoo) cares about the package?
The same way that you know about security issues in Firefox or
Chromium [...] Until
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Sorry for quoting a lot this time but it's important for understanding
the issue.
On 01.02.2013 15:00, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
On 01/02/13 08:56 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On 01.02.2013 14:47, Rich Freeman wrote:
And how will you get to know about
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On 18.11.2012 06:00, Richard Yao wrote:
but we are doing AGILE development, so long term goals have not
been well defined.
[...]
With that said, Linux distributions are victims of people
continually trying to reinvent the wheel with no formal
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(Just for the record, I don't care about the merits or demerits of
*DEPEND or DEPENDENCIES.)
Ah, I forgot how the goals change *everything*. Because it's good
to kill hundreds of people for the good reasons.
You might want to take a short break to
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On 07.06.2012 19:47, Zac Medico wrote:
And, I suspect that they'd be handling with ABI_SLOT operator deps,
if they were available.
No, we wouldn't.
Best regards, Wulf
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On 13.03.2012 07:22, Brian Harring wrote:
Still is god awfuly fugly though, and reliant on digits as the first
character to be readable. Consider exheres:
dev-foo/foo-bar-2.3.4.eapiexheres.eb
Just for the record, your example is wrong. For exheres, it would be
foo-bar-2.3.4.exheres-0
0
On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans?
We don't support /usr on a separate partition. People can, of course, do
that and I'll point them to dracut for creating an initramfs.
Or they can do whatever works for them.
If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to
know.
Oh? What do you do at night with your girlfriend (or boyfriend or yourself)?
The community deserves to know!
You have shown to be very attached to this topic, so much so that you've
just blown this completely
I'd like to nominate Thomas tanderson Anderson.
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And paludis and friends, while being designed for more independent use
(much like openrc), again, is it (are they) actually part of any non-
Gentoo-based distribution?
Yes. Paludis is Exherbo's package manager.
Best regards, Wulf
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Yes. Paludis is Exherbo's package manager.
FWIW, I categorized that as Gentoo based... tho how much it has expanded
beyond that by now isn't something I'd know without being told...
It has never been Gentoo-based, Duncan. You might perceive it like that
because Gentoo has often embraced our
Hello!
As you might know, the Gentoo KDE project provides an overlay with KDE4
live ebuilds (kde in layman) and some of their dependencies.
It's been about 1,5 years ago when I announced the availability of the re-
designed KDE overlay which has since been our playground/testing ground for
On Wednesday, 24. June 2009 17:48:38 Doug Goldstein wrote:
I wanted to take this time to encourage everyone who can vote in this
year's council elections. This is your chance to affect the technical
development for Gentoo for the coming year and I encourage you to take
it.
Cardoe said it very
On Monday, 02. March 2009 10:29:59 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
Also, having separate overlays would allow one to do experimental stuff
with eclasses in the experimental overlay without affecting users of the
base overlay. Until we get versioned eclasses, I don't see how one can
do that
On Monday, 08. December 2008 17:37:42 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take
longer, and it's something you certainly participate in quite
frequently so I'm surprised to hear you badmouth it when it comes to
your own ideas.
It's not about
On Monday, 13. October 2008 19:42:21 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Since EAPI=0 isn't actually approved yet, council wouldn't vote
either. As it's a draft standard, this would be resolved amongst
package-manager developers and PMS editors.
So, EAPI-2 had to be approved before it could be used in the
How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
one commit:
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml?r1=1.18r2=1.19
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Hello!
I think flameeyes should have sent this himself in the first place, but
since he's clearly not going to do that and prefers to just force it on
our users I'm mailing this...
flameeyes talked about .la files in his blog recently:
By the way, asking a question is not poisonous.
Absolutely. Asking about it here was my suggestion.
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On Wednesday, 16. April 2008 11:03:29 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
I think that this thread is about making Gentoo unstable, unusable
and user non-friendly.
I think you really don't have the slightest clue what this thread is
about.
Don't feed the trolls...
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If we used git, proxy maintaining would be easier.
Many things would be easier then. I'm all for switching to git.
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On Wednesday, 02. April 2008 22:46:16 Petteri Räty wrote:
How does having the average time between commits be at most a week
sound and if it goes under that, undertakers will get a notification?
It sounds like you're trying to get rid of someone.
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A. KDE team drops arch keywords for KDE 4, since KDE4 is new.
Basically, yes.
C. Jer misses keywords because the KDE team did not provide a distinct
list of packages
Because we didn't even ask for re-keywording. :-)
KDE 4.0.x leaves much to be desired which is why it's p.masked (which
C. Jer misses keywords because the KDE team did not provide a distinct
list of packages
Because we didn't even ask for re-keywording. :-)
According to Rej you dropped the hppa keyword without informing him.
That is correct.
The current policy states that you should file a bug in this
On Sunday, 02. March 2008 20:25:09 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
Do we inspire them by telling them that anybody who has made this
choice in the past is not to be rewarded financially for doing so?
This brings up a different point of view too.
From my point of view it's pretty simple: I
On Thursday, 28. February 2008 13:28:11 Petteri Räty wrote:
control engineer. On the Gentoo side he is one of the people who
enabled KDE4 coming to our main tree via contributing to their
overlays.
Thanks for that, zlin, and welcome again among our ranks! :-)
Now I'm going to mentor the two
# Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (21 Jul 2007)
# Broken by upstream. cf. bug 173972.
=media-video/konverter-0.93
This has been p.masked for quite some time now for instability and lots of
bugs. It's been abandoned for about two years now. It won't even compile
anymore now (bug 211002
Seems that this arose from media-libs/libdvdcss... Can we rename this to
dvdcss to make it clear that this have something to do with dvds and not
with web technologies?
To find out what a USE flag is for, we have descriptions.
Which *actual* packages would benefit from changing the current css
Which *actual* packages would benefit from changing the current
span index=4 id=message4 name=incorrect
class=incorrectcss/span
USE flag to something different?
Of course, I'm not talking about benefit for packages but about benefit
for users (me included).
Yes, of course, but unless there
On Thursday, 14. February 2008 22:23:57 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
While changing an USE flag on the run is not a nice thing for users, I
think that disambiguating this is a good idea.
Where is the pressing need to do that? Again, which current package would
use a re-defined css USE
On Wednesday, 13. February 2008 18:57:58 Mark Loeser wrote:
This is probably a bit late to be bringing up, but could the council
please discuss the state of PMS and EAPI? What we mean by that is that
it seems we are using EAPI=1 in the tree, and some of us are concerned
because we can't find
On Wednesday, 13. February 2008 19:34:37 Mark Loeser wrote:
Okay, so I stand corrected about them approving it. Where is the
approved specification though?
That's something I asked the council, too, here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.council/110
I got no response from the
# Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (09 Feb 2008)
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
# nvemftp's last release was in 2003, we've already had
# to patch it to even compile and now it doesn't even
# work anymore. Upstream is dead. cf. bug 209412.
net-ftp/nvemftp
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On Friday, 01. February 2008 02:58:48 Iain Buchanan wrote:
actually I had philantrop offer (many thanks, will get back to you
ASAP) and 2 or 3 comments on IRC (thanks also :)
I got your mail and I'll catch you on IRC this weekend. :-)
I was going to reply when I'd said OK to philantrop, and
On Wednesday, 16. January 2008 11:11:31 Denis Dupeyron wrote:
It's my pleasure to introduce Ingmar Vanhassel (ingmar) as a new
[...]
Welcome, Ingmar! :-)
unacceptable for a mere user so he, too, must be assimilated. ;-)
Resistance *was* futile! ;-)
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On Wednesday, 09. January 2008 20:40:48 Carsten Lohrke wrote:
KDE 4.0.0 will be released on January, 11th 2008, and if things keep
going like they do now we might be able to put all the stuff into
~arch on the release day.
We're not going to make it today. (Which is quite obvious since we
Hello, fellow Gentoo devs!
Attached you'll find the new eclasses for KDE 4. We'd like to commit them
on Sunday, 14th, to be able to get KDE 4.0.0 into the official tree
(package.masked, though).
We would welcome any comments, especially if accompanied by patches ;)
and, of course, your kind
- KDE 3 KDE 4
- KDE-related stuff
Are we fine?
All in all, we're doing acceptably well, I'd say. In some areas, we're
doing really well.
I've recently mentored two new recruits, namely Ingmar Ingmar
Vanhassel and Bo zlin Andresen who will hopefully soon become new
members of the KDE
On Wednesday, 09. January 2008 19:16:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
So what happens if a flaw is discovered in KDE 3.5.5 that allows root
access?
Then the one particular part of 3.5.5 that's affected gets fixed and
priority keyworded.
So you suggest that mips keeps doing nothing and expect
On Wednesday, 09. January 2008 19:45:38 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Then the one particular part of 3.5.5 that's affected gets fixed
and priority keyworded.
So you suggest that mips keeps doing nothing and expect others to
work *more* in exchange for that?
Well, most users will simply ignore
On Tuesday, 08. January 2008 22:44:17 Chrissy Fullam wrote:
'bodies' would be needed to enforce CoC on #gentoo-dev
I don't really see any need for moderation on #gentoo-dev. We've managed
quite nicely without big brothers watching us so far and I think we
should simply keep doing that.
Yes,
Extended attributes can be turned off during compile time for each
filesystem you mentioned.
If you turn off features you need, things break. There's nothing new
about that. If you disable ext3 support in your kernel, you can't mount
an ext3 partition and you'll get an error during boot about
I DO understand.
You don't. The complete paragraph of yours shows you don't.
But you're totally ignoring my point. So once again: You're trying to
*SET* a standard here. There are lots of people telling you that they're
not happy with the proposal to change the ebuild filename suffix.
Yes,
On Thursday, 20. December 2007 21:27:03 Markus Ullmann wrote:
Erm no, PMS isn't officially until council made a decision on it (and
I'm not aware of one yet).
Currently official EAPIs are 0 and 1.
And EAPI-1 is defined where? :)
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On Tuesday, 18. December 2007 19:20:58 Joe Peterson wrote:
I also do not see why there are not other more elegant, transparent,
and automatic ways to determine EAPI without sourcing.
How much easier can it be? The extension scheme is simple and would do the
job nicely.
brainstorming, and
On Tuesday, 18. December 2007 22:32:03 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
or .ebuild-ng.
/me votes for .ebuild-TOS. ;)
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On Friday, 09. November 2007 10:10:42 René 'Necoro' Neumann wrote:
But as I think, that the uppercase version is the common behavior here,
it should not need this extra PYTHON. :) That's why the patch ;)
Actually, the mixed-case is what we have encountered in most cases.
Furthermore, as you
Hello Krzysiek!
On Sunday, 04. November 2007 15:09:47 Krzysiek Pawlik wrote:
Wulf: check this patch to cmake-utils.eclass - it used pushd/popd, adds
CMAKE_IN_SOURCE_BUILD in cmake-utils_src_compile and defines
LIB_INSTALL_DIR (cmake-utils will be used by other packages besides KDE
too).
Hello!
On Sunday, 09. September 2007 21:15:12 Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
KDE4's build system is based on CMake and seeing that more and more KDE
and non-KDE applications are using it, we have created a new
cmake-utils.eclass [3] which allows for easier implementation of
ebuilds for those
Hello Daniel!
I don't feel strongly enough to make an objection to your commit,
but I think pciutils is doing the right thing,
The question is not if some software is doing the right thing or not
but if our packages behave like they should for our users.
and despite me and Mike putting a
On Saturday, 13. October 2007 19:27:05 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 13:11 +0200, Gunnar Wrobel wrote:
The project has advanced far enough though that I feel it is a good
time point to declare this a real Gentoo project.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kolab/index.xml
Umm...
On Tuesday, 21. August 2007 14:23:44 Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
# Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (21 Aug 2007)
# Stable version doesn't compile, unstable version is partly broken.
# Application is conceptionally wrong. More details on bug 187251.
# Use app-cdr/koverartist instead.
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Well, let me tell you something, Timo. You've just entered
Gentoo-land, so please leave all normality at the gate. Thanks for
your understanding.
Well, I've been working long enough with him to know that his
definitely not normal - I leave it to the reader to figure out if
that's good or
Hello!
As you might know, a very active Gentoo user, Zephyrus, several members of
the KDE herd and other interested parties [1] are currently working on
the pre-releases of KDE4 in the GenKDEsvn overlays [2].
KDE4's build system is based on CMake and seeing that more and more KDE
and non-KDE
Thanks for all your comments!
Some ideas (especially the use_with/_enable shrinking) are rather
spectacular and *all* are greatly appreciated.
If there's more, please let us know. Until then, we'll make those changes
you suggested and will follow-up on this tomorrow with the changed
eclass.
# Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (21 Aug 2007)
# Stable version doesn't compile, unstable version is partly broken.
# Application is conceptionally wrong. More details on bug 187251.
# Use app-cdr/koverartist instead.
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On Sunday, 29. July 2007 18:44:23 Sven Köhler wrote:
Why did you provocate this breakage?
This is not a good idea, IMHO.
I think so, too. cf. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166790
Best regards, Wulf
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Hello Roy!
I've said my piece. You'll vote for me if you agree with my technical
decisions and you find yourself siding with me (even mentally) in the
few discussions I take part in on -dev and #-dev.
I can't say much about your technical decisions because I haven't
consciously seen any, I
Hello Steve!
On Monday, 16. July 2007 18:17:00 Steve Long wrote:
Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want,
why do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what
extravagant demands us lusers make on you?
Now, now. You're a nice guy on IRC so what
On Thursday, 12. July 2007 21:14:38 Seemant Kulleen wrote:
It would be an interesting question, though, to prove that someone
wrote a from-scratch ebuild via looking only at the documentation, and
without basing any parts off of already existing ebuilds in the tree,
no?
How many angels can
On Sunday, 08. July 2007 20:15:31 Harald van Dijk wrote:
No, you have to get permission of the copyright holders. Which, in
this case, is the Foundation.
Could you back that up, please? I was looking for something to confirm
or deny this myself, but didn't find anything.
It's in the
On Sunday, 08. July 2007 21:12:38 Harald van Dijk wrote:
# Copyright 1999-2007 Gentoo Foundation
Thus, the copyright owner/holder is the Gentoo Foundation.
If I write an ebuild today, why does it not say Copyright 2007?
Probably because different legal systems require different formats of
Hello!
Marcus cryos Hanwell gave a talk on Gentoo and KDE on Sunday at aKademy
2007.
Marcus presented the current state of KDE in Gentoo, our current headaches
and questions as well as what we hope for or expect for the future.
I rarely enjoy taped presentations but this one was entertaining
On Thursday, June 21, 2007 08:39:39 PM Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
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+ Masked net-print/kink for removal wrt bug #176857.
net-print/kink is as dead as it gets - no changes in its CVS for more
than 3 years. Nothing depends
+ 21 Jun 2007; Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] package.mask:
+ Masked net-print/kink for removal wrt bug #176857.
net-print/kink is as dead as it gets - no changes in its CVS for more than
3 years. Nothing depends on it and it won't compile anymore with the
libinklevel versions currently
Hello Neil!
On Thursday, June 21, 2007 09:11:25 PM you wrote:
Errrm... this is a joke, right? It's a simple program that does a
simple job. Why does it need updates? It compiles perfectly. Just
emerged it without error.
It's not. Please leave a comment on bug 176857 describing which
On Wednesday, June 20, 2007 06:54:42 PM Petteri Räty wrote:
It's my usual pleasure to introduce to you Ali hawking Polatel who
[...] is the National Master to be more exact.
Where's Deep Blue when you need it?! ;-)
Welcome, Ali!
Best regards, Wulf
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Hello Chris!
I'm shortening your mail greatly and respond to only a few aspects because
the two of us seem to agree on a great deal of those points you made.
On Thursday, June 7, 2007 01:45:43 AM Chris Gianelloni wrote:
[Proctors]
Well, they've been asked to write guidelines for Council
On Thursday, June 7, 2007 01:43:45 PM Michael Cummings wrote:
...or, Trees and Tree Climbers: Shaking up the tree
You forgot about the tree huggers! ;-)
I mostly agree with your arguments but seeing what we have in the Sunrise
overlay I don't think we need another one.
Today, people can get
On Thursday, June 7, 2007 08:34:37 PM Vlastimil Babka wrote:
Well the difference is that AFAIK Sunrise is just for maintainer-wanted
stuff that's not in the tree yet, but Michael talks about (rev)bumps of
stuff that's already in tree.
AFAIK, if the maintainer agrees, it's fine to have other
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote:
[Proctor system]
a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as
has been suggested?
Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors.
I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear
Hello William,
On Tuesday, June 5, 2007 06:25:07 AM William Hubbs wrote:
app-accessibility/festival has not done a release upstream in some
time.
I don't really *need* festival from an accessibility point of view but I'm
using it from time to time and find it quite useful.
Once emacspeak
On Thursday, May 31, 2007 02:32:22 AM Marius Mauch wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows a number of (enhancement) bugs
that are fixable, but the assignee doesn't have the motivation to come
up with a solution,
... or is lacking the necessary skills.
I propose a new bugzilla
On Monday, May 28, 2007 10:07:48 PM Samuli Suominen wrote:
After noticing recent addition today for kde-base/klaptopdaemon I
counted 11 use.local.desc flags doing basically same thing. Enabling
xscreensaver or it's extension. Any objections of I move this to
use.desc?
I'm in favour of doing
On Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:28:36 AM Samuli Suominen wrote:
It's done but unfortunately a bit after you allready wasted your time
with use.local.desc. Moved a dozen xscreensaver flags to use.desc since
no objections arised, and why would it have.. triviality++
No problem. I've waited a bit to
On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 05:29:44 PM Christian Faulhammer wrote:
Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
but the amd64 team is unresponsive on even trivial stabilisation
request form the KDE team as well, lately.
You will get them tomorrow...promised. :) Too many bugs, not enough
devs...as
On Sunday, May 13, 2007 09:57:05 AM Matti Bickel wrote:
If the general feeling is that ion is
unacceptable in the tree, i'll mask it pending removal.
Having read the threads you referenced, I don't think there's much room
for a compromise.
In the conversation with you, Matti, he argues that
On Saturday, May 5, 2007 03:23:41 PM Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
[Paludis configuration: * - */*]
Experience and user feedback has shown that in situations like this
users want an accompanying news item even if the application does
output deprecation warnings.
Currently, there are two news item in
On Saturday, May 5, 2007 04:14:25 PM Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Currently, there are two news item in the Paludis overlay. Unless
earlier ones were removed, those two seem to be a fairly small sample
to deduce anything from.
They were.
How many news items did you issue? (It's probably easier
On Saturday, May 5, 2007 07:46:47 PM Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
It warns noisily. It doesn't say how to fix it.
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... When making environment from specification '':
... When loading paludis configuration:
... When reading licenses file
On Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:00:08 PM Dominique Michel wrote:
Another fact remain: theology is about religion when genealogy
is about sciences.
Theology *is* a science.
Anyway, gramps is no longer part of the theology herd. Can we drop this
now?
Best regards, Wulf
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Quoting Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
noone ever suggested that I'd be a case for
urgent council decision.
That's because your revisions only change once a year. ;-)
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Best regards, Wulf
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