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hat's being looked at as well, but that
doesn't change the fact that an improved default color.map, as here, is
useful too. =:^)
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onon
are not kde-*.
And without drkonqi I get segfaults. Which suggests another possible
workaround, unmerging drkonki. If the only thing pulling it in is a set
or metapackage the alternative would be either a local-overlay null-
package, or commenting that entry in a local copy of the set/metapack
agement may malfunction."
Omitting "that" after "It seems" to shorten further, the longer /proc
case would result in:
It seems /proc is not mounted. Process management may malfunction.
Nicely under the target 70 chars. =:^)
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ge easier for a quick lookup, and only tend
to use PMS when I'm checking details not in the ebuild (5) manpage or I
need the specific wording of the agreed PMS standard.
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binpkg-${PF} to emphasize the binpkg part and
group any emergency-installed packages together in an alphabetical
listing. But whichever's easiest for portage to work with, which
probably makes the -binpkg suffix version a better choice, requiring less
modification to existing code.
Is there any interest at all in binpkgs, perhaps when improved, from the
other PMs? Or are they effectively dead now or not interested in binpkgs
even if the format were to be improved, or simply too hard to work with?
Because "it'd be nice" (aka MAY level) to have this formally standardized
to PMS... if there's any interest from the other PMs.
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rever'.
Test defensively. We're not just talking EAPI=8, etc, here. What
happens if someone typos EAPI=56 or some such? Positively support what
you recognize. If it's unrecognized, it should always fall thru to an
error saying it's unsupported. Much easier to debug that way. =:^)
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y're not
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Tho perhaps that can be reevaluated. But while there's more connectivity
now than over a decade ago when that policy was created, I expect there's
still those paying by the meg or gig for net access locally, that won't
enjoy having their sneakernet sync routin
eneric *) catchall case. The error is then clearer if someone
typos EAPI=67 or the like.
+ 0|1|2|3|4|5|6) ;;
+ 7) die "${ECLASS}: EAPI=${EAPI} includes all functions from this
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> x11-proto/ packages to ease the transition.
I noticed that I didn't need many of the protos any longer here too, and
figured it was a recombining. Thanks for the confirmation. =:^)
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ir elected council, have clearly expressed their desire to cut down
the outside noise from "guests", ensuring that any such "guest posts"
allowed thru are signal, not noise, or worse yet, negative signal.
As one of those guests, abiding by that expressed intent to the best of
my
it's acceptable as-is.
Thanks. You put an awful lot of work into portage, and I'm sure I'm not
the only one who's thankful there's a steady hand at the portage wheel,
even if it doesn't always come thru. Your efforts certainly make the
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ecalling that warning
post correctly. It might have been for other than github, or I might
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(but might be too long, do those news item short title limits
still apply?):
Title: Portage rsync-verify feature not yet stable-keyworded
Perhaps omit the -keyworded if that's too long:
Title: Portage rsync-verify feature not yet stable
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prioritized high enough based on the severity of the problem to actually
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inted at a tmpfs instead lets me examine what's actually
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... Refreshing your backups before the upgrade and checking site-
specific solutions after the upgrade before reboot, is recommended.")
Because it's a system-critical package this becomes even more important.
(And FWIW, getting a longer heads-up to such changes is a primary reason
I read t
ARE DOING AND CAN
> HELP WITH TESTING.
What about "reverse" usrmerge as above? Flag on or not? Maybe I just
turn it on (obviously after updating my backups) to help test?
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're ready for it already), or you
want them, but wait until you've adjusted the script to deal with it, or
don't bother, you're not going to try supporting anything that unusual
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git or other methods are not affected, and
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il than I remembered or would write it again here.
(I had more written but deleted it as OT.)
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e it private,
while Gentoo/DRobbins could, especially since at the time copyright was
assigned to Gentoo. Of course now we have the advantage of looking back
it it in history and can see how things turned out, but back then, it was
far less clear how things would turn out.
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or how they can get gpg signature verification as well if its possible.
(Sufficient to just link it if it's more involved than a single
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Michael Orlitzky posted on Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:04:30 -0500 as excerpted:
> On 01/22/2018 05:10 AM, Duncan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If the dependencies are to remain in the eclasses, then the eclasses
>>>> should get a new revision when those dependencies cha
-bumping to
reflect what upstream already did, won't be /that/ much different or
/that/ much more work. Only now I guess I'll be seeing it in --rX
revbumps, too.)
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on-identical stuff, so
simply toggling a symlink lets you switch machine layouts), or if the
machines have enough memory, setting up a single thumb drive to boot and
put everything in a tmpfs for the machine to run from, so you can use the
same thumb drive to boot them all, effectively the sneak
onestly don't know which is worse, but the obvious ideal is a
sane upstream that doesn't veer to either extreme, or lacking that, at
least cooperates and provides support when a new at least /semi-/stable
release is needed as the old is just outdated and broken, security or
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I can't fault them, and now we get to see
how it all plays out. But whether they, and gentoo as a whole, wins that
effective wager, or loses it, the bet has now been placed, so nothing to
do but wait and see the results. =:^/
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nice, because if nothing else they can
just grab a copy before the change and if they can't even do /that/ in a
month... . Beyond that and the old version can always be dug out of git
if necessary.)
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ys (365*1.5 rounded up) is appropriate. The
precise config file path, name and format would be up to the implementer
and/or eselect news module maintainer.
* Other news readers could of course set and ship their own default
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>
> Title: systemd sysv-utils blocker resolution
+1
The news item reads very clearly to me. =:^)
Thanks especially for explicitly including the list of symlinks and that
sysvinit otherwise provides those files, as well as the explicitly
suggested equery depends line for those who need it.
because each
release lists the bugs fixed and I can and do at least review their one-
line summaries every time I update. Between that and following the
patches as they're posted for review in portage-dev (so the release-time
bug list is primarily review), I'm effectively following live-git p
Mike Gilbert posted on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:10:09 -0500 as excerpted:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Matthew Thode
> <prometheanf...@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On 17-12-21 08:34:31, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> W dniu czw, 21.12.2017 o godzinie 05∶29 +, użytkownik Dunca
eep my merged lib here, managing it much like I do my
merged bin and root/usr, but it'd be nice to know whether that's going to
remain an official layout or not, and if not, what the timeframe for
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Zac Medico posted on Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:07:21 -0800 as excerpted:
> On 12/07/2017 12:37 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted:
>>
>>> On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote:
>>>> As in subjec
Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> As in subject, is portage bin/usr-bin merge safe?
>>
>> It appears most of my clashing files are /usr/bin/* -> /bin/* symlinks.
>> (That's just bin, I'
p the last sentence to read a bit smoother
(I skipped formatting)...
While there is no hard restriction on the length of short-name,
limiting it to 20 characters is strongly recommended.
(s/for/on/, reversing order of the limit and strongly recommended.)
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bisect a package the first time.
So a variant without the repo OR package name would be my wish, here.
> 2. The overrides weren't suitable for packages checking out multiple
> repositories (LLVM, wine, glibc).
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back to it.
So the hash verification time really does matter, even if it's minutes
compared to hours of actual build time, because that's time I'm actively
waiting for it, vs. letting it do its thing in the background, with much
less concern about how long (within reason) it might take.
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Kent Fredric posted on Sun, 15 Oct 2017 06:36:34 +1300 as excerpted:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:50:38 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Wow. How'd you ever get a backlog of 400 packages in your depclean
>> list,
>> including critic
o be easier.
So 7.5 months does seem reasonable, to me at least. =:^)
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or deal with it manually if the lower backtrack didn't
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Duncan posted on Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:31:55 + as excerpted:
> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:32 +0200 as
> excerpted:
>
>> Switching the profile changes the settings for building gcc (it
>> switches a use-flag from forced-off to forced-on). A gcc-6 b
h
stabilizes gcc-6.4+, with the goal for the gcc stabilization being the
end of 2017, meaning 13.0 profile removal is planned for the end of 2018
if all archs meet their gcc-6.4+ stabilization goal."
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Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:32 +0200 as excerpted:
> Am Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2017, 04:10:13 CEST schrieb Duncan:
>
>> One thing isn't clear here. Is this sequence necessary due to the
>> profile switch itself, because the /profile/ enab
y've already crossed
with the gcc upgrade?
Either way, making the answer to that explicit should be useful, avoiding
either an unnecessary full rebuild, or avoiding the problems because the
news item wasn't clear and people already on gcc-6.4+ thought the
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they translate the passed parameters if necessary, and bugs in how they
do any of it become the bugs of that initsystem.
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Harald Weiner posted on Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:47:35 +0200 as excerpted:
> Duncan posted on 09/29/17 2:08 AM as excerpted:
>
>> Or are we going to replace rm, and fdisk, and gdisk, and cfdisk, and
>> cgdisk, and who knows how many other binaries, with "safe"
>
tual to
provide it, just as I've done for a number of other packages that aren't
actually required to build or run the commands I /do/ want to run.)
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Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:53:20 +0200 as excerpted:
> Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017, 07:06:24 CEST schrieb Duncan:
>> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:56:30 +0200 as
>> excerpted:
>> > It may not always be obvious where this is nee
/need, so whatever
USE is pulling it in obviously isn't something I wanted or found I needed
due to required-deps or something, here.)
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fectly covered by https://xkcd.com/927/ :)
Well, I'd argue the case for "not 'perfectly'", because for better or for
worse, systemd has had rather more luck at cross-distro init-system
unification than that comic suggests. There's still special-cases like
small embedded where sys
e
to lean on CAs, it should hopefully at least resist the trivial stuff
like insecure wifi and ISP content-insertion games.)
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or it, so you
broadened my vocabulary in a very useful way. =:^)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_dilemma
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Meanwhile, it's certainly nice to see messages with more respect than may
sometimes be seen in this list. Thanks. But don't be afraid to post
your user's opinion just because it differs from someone else's opinion.
Your opinion is valuable too, even if it's mine it differs with! =:^)
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oday, due to
mobile, wearables, and possibly ultimately injectibles.
> IDK.
>
> I'm not committed to anything I've said here, just food for thought.
Same here. My biggest concern is simply avoiding, if possible, setting
up new categories now, only to have to redo them in 2-5 when hindsig
came of it. Perhaps gui-*
category names if that's actually moving forward, in ordered to maintain
a bit of consistency and for lack of a better idea?
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Kent Fredric posted on Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:21:09 +1200 as excerpted:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 03:06:13 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> nrpe-command-args-SECURITY-HOLE or just nrpe-GAPING-SECURITY-HOLE
>
> That's probably excessive, if you set
mixer if kmix isn't working
(I'm on live-git-kde after all) or is "working" but I'm not getting
the expected results or I simply want a different visual presentation.
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helps distinguish it too, since most USE flags are lowercase) in the
name, say as ...
nrpe-command-args-SECURITY-HOLE
or just
nrpe-GAPING-SECURITY-HOLE
... seems to me the most effective. Anyone that would even *think* to
enable something like that without doing some *serious*
ontact there. You also need to contact the proxy-maintainer
project to initiate that angle. There's further details and additional
resources on the linked page, above.
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st used to seeing it require the
** accept_keyword thing). So I'm just wondering what reason you
might have had to do it this way instead.
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and now unsupported versions in the tree when they're
guaranteed to be increasingly vulnerable to new attacks is simply
irresponsible, with no logical argument that can be made otherwise, thus
the removal.
Were it any other package, with any other primary purpose... but it's not.
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cess saved_umask
> + local success saved_umask
> if [[ ${EVCS_UMASK} ]]; then
> saved_umask=$(umask)
> umask "${EVCS_UMASK}" || die "Bad options to umask:
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Duncan posted on Sun, 13 Aug 2017 02:52:58 + as excerpted:
> Michael Orlitzky posted on Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:58:41 -0400 as excerpted:
>
>> On 08/12/2017 04:39 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> There are use-cases for --changed-use / --newuse other than change
Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) posted on Wed, 16 Aug 2017
12:09:57 +0200 as excerpted:
> s you may know the core of sys-kernel/hardened-sources have been the
> grsecuirty patches.
New typo: s/grsecuirty/grsecurity/
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, doing it manually means I remember the details I did /not/
put down much more readily, once prompted by the ones I did. Even if an
automated version could do it it'd need to write paragraphs in ordered to
allow me to make sense of it a year or whatever later, compared to my
single line wh
I hadn't previously considered,
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o the version bump is effectively mandatory due to security overrides in
any case, and that it was fixed by a temporary USE flag drop doesn't
change things at all. If that security-override isn't explicit in
current documentation, that'd be the bug, not the fact that use-flag
drops don't on t
rth a bit of extra care while fixing the one to
keep in mind the other so as not to further complicate fixing it, is all.
(I'll be working on my bug either late today/Friday or Saturday.)
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ot;(apparently)" above, but
perhaps it's acting differently now due to the recent migration away from
eblits? What I know for sure is that the upgrade broke my system until I
manually copied the libm binary from the binpkg back into place.
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Rich Freeman posted on Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:55:05 -0400 as excerpted:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Rich Freeman posted on Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:11:24 -0400 as excerpted:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Alec Warner
it's "painful" for them.
So it's certainly doable, maintainable over years and major changes, and
consumable, as gentoo/kde devs and their users have been and continues to
demonstrate. =:^) The /big/ question then is only whether that model's
actually a good fit for the wider gent
we'd simply
lose most of the volunteers who have a major interest in stable.
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ommits retroactively is the OpenPGP
> signing. However, it has been an obligatory requirement enforced by the
> infrastructure since the git switch. Therefore, all the git history
> conforms to that.
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less (they are redundant), and using the former
> has no advantages over using the classic #nn form in the
> summary or the body.
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When doing a minor change to a large number of packages, it is
> reasonable to do so in a single commit. However, when doing a major
> change (e.g. a version bump), it is better to split commits on package
> boundaries.
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master branch only. The development branches can use relaxed rules.
Can/may... There may be other uses I won't mention but if you decide
it's worth changing at all, a search and evaluate usage may be worth it.
> Rewriting history (i.e. force pushes) of the master branch is forbidden.
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ng git/repository has been using git/
Second: s/Most of the developers/Most developers/
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use that's what it
took to stabilize the patched version on some platform or other that was
holding up the glsa.
Automating stabilization and automated keyword dropping on timeouts seems
the only other practical choice, as unfortunately, "stale" is what we
have today in practice, if
William Hubbs posted on Sun, 02 Jul 2017 10:30:12 -0500 as excerpted:
> On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 03:55:54AM +0000, Duncan wrote:
>> William Hubbs posted on Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:53:59 -0500 as excerpted:
>>
>> > See this article for why using liblua as a shared library
atively easy compared to some
distros. I did it with kde twice, when gentoo/kde wasn't supporting
builds without semantic-desktop. =:^)
And in this case it appears there's even someone already doing it and
making their work public via the lua overlay. =:^)
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o masked flags today. After all,
it's simply another method of masking, only in this case it's dynamic, by
the PM at solve time.
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e something shorter, say 90 days, which just emphasizes how old
those bugs really are), where's the justification to bother migrating
them to the new workflow? They should have been acted upon well before
the new workflow came to be, and if people are bothering to migrate, I'd
not blame that a
masked/forced for all
> packages in use.{mask,force}, then you would add a line like "-foo" to
> the use.{mask,force} file in /etc/portage/profile/.
Thanks. As I said I doubt I'm the only one who will find this useful.
=:^)
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itial gcc6 emerge and @world rebuild, but I was persuaded by
the discussion here to try it, second global rebuild, and so far it
works. So both because it's supposed to be safer and because I don't
want to do now a /third/ global rebuild, I strongly prefer to keep it,
now that I have it, and no
n the
previously working PYTHON_TARGETS system that was keeping things sane by
only updating a package's PYTHON_TARGETS for a new python once it had
actually been tested to work with it.
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