[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Ebuild - portage variable names

2018-11-28 Thread Duncan
ge easier for a quick lookup, and only tend to use PMS when I'm checking details not in the ebuild (5) manpage or I need the specific wording of the agreed PMS standard. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [RFC] Improving Gentoo package format

2018-11-11 Thread Duncan
binpkg-${PF} to emphasize the binpkg part and group any emergency-installed packages together in an alphabetical listing. But whichever's easiest for portage to work with, which probably makes the -binpkg suffix version a better choice, requiring less modification to existing code. Is there any interest at all in binpkgs, perhaps when improved, from the other PMs? Or are they effectively dead now or not interested in binpkgs even if the format were to be improved, or simply too hard to work with? Because "it'd be nice" (aka MAY level) to have this formally standardized to PMS... if there's any interest from the other PMs. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] ant-tasks.eclass: use eapi7-ver

2018-05-22 Thread Duncan
rever'. Test defensively. We're not just talking EAPI=8, etc, here. What happens if someone typos EAPI=56 or some such? Positively support what you recognize. If it's unrecognized, it should always fall thru to an error saying it's unsupported. Much easier to debug that way. =:^) -- D

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] multiversion ebuilds

2018-05-15 Thread Duncan
y're not allowed in the official tree. Tho perhaps that can be reevaluated. But while there's more connectivity now than over a decade ago when that policy was created, I expect there's still those paying by the meg or gig for net access locally, that won't enjoy having their sneakernet sync routin

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v2] eapi7-ver.eclass: Support EAPIs 0 to 6.

2018-05-08 Thread Duncan
eneric *) catchall case. The error is then clearer if someone typos EAPI=67 or the like. + 0|1|2|3|4|5|6) ;; + 7) die "${ECLASS}: EAPI=${EAPI} includes all functions from this eclass" ;; + *) die "${ECLASS}: EAPI=${EAPI} Unknown" ;; -- Duncan - List replies pref

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly x11@ project status for April 2018

2018-04-01 Thread Duncan
f the > x11-proto/ packages to ease the transition. I noticed that I didn't need many of the protos any longer here too, and figured it was a recombining. Thanks for the confirmation. =:^) And thanks for the roadmap to what's ahead re X. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny

2018-03-27 Thread Duncan
iewpoint as I'm posting it. Sure I could be wrong, but if I am, please point it out so I can see it too! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-21 Thread Duncan
ir elected council, have clearly expressed their desire to cut down the outside noise from "guests", ensuring that any such "guest posts" allowed thru are signal, not noise, or worse yet, negative signal. As one of those guests, abiding by that expressed intent to the best of my

[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item v2: Portage rsync tree verification unstable

2018-03-11 Thread Duncan
it's acceptable as-is. Thanks. You put an awful lot of work into portage, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thankful there's a steady hand at the portage wheel, even if it doesn't always come thru. Your efforts certainly make the gentoo experience a better one! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies pref

[gentoo-dev] Re: How to deal with git sources?

2018-03-11 Thread Duncan
ecalling that warning post correctly. It might have been for other than github, or I might have misunderstood, or maybe they've fixed that problem by now, or... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the progr

[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item v2: Portage rsync tree verification unstable

2018-03-10 Thread Duncan
is (but might be too long, do those news item short title limits still apply?): Title: Portage rsync-verify feature not yet stable-keyworded Perhaps omit the -keyworded if that's too long: Title: Portage rsync-verify feature not yet stable Feel free to revise further... -- Duncan - List replies

[gentoo-dev] Re: Make it easier to check upper bounds with repoman.

2018-03-02 Thread Duncan
o get it, prioritized high enough based on the severity of the problem to actually do something about it. So the problem remains... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-11 Thread Duncan
inted at a tmpfs instead lets me examine what's actually installed, if necessary. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-11 Thread Duncan
... Refreshing your backups before the upgrade and checking site- specific solutions after the upgrade before reboot, is recommended.") Because it's a system-critical package this becomes even more important. (And FWIW, getting a longer heads-up to such changes is a primary reason I read t

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-10 Thread Duncan
ARE DOING AND CAN > HELP WITH TESTING. What about "reverse" usrmerge as above? Flag on or not? Maybe I just turn it on (obviously after updating my backups) to help test? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: SAT-based dependency solver: request for test cases

2018-02-06 Thread Duncan
're ready for it already), or you want them, but wait until you've adjusted the script to deal with it, or don't bother, you're not going to try supporting anything that unusual anyway? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] emerge: add --changed-deps-report option (bug 645780)

2018-01-29 Thread Duncan
al quite irritating by about the third time I saw it, even if also helpful. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [News item review] Portage rsync tree verification (v4)

2018-01-28 Thread Duncan
git or other methods are not affected, and verification for them will be provided in the future. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [News item review] Portage rsync tree verification (v3)

2018-01-27 Thread Duncan
perfectly addresses the question I had about the original. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Why are ebuilds licensed GPL v2 only (no later version)?

2018-01-26 Thread Duncan
il than I remembered or would write it again here. (I had more written but deleted it as OT.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Why are ebuilds licensed GPL v2 only (no later version)?

2018-01-26 Thread Duncan
e it private, while Gentoo/DRobbins could, especially since at the time copyright was assigned to Gentoo. Of course now we have the advantage of looking back it it in history and can see how things turned out, but back then, it was far less clear how things would turn out. -- Duncan - Li

[gentoo-dev] Re: [News item review] Portage rsync tree verification

2018-01-25 Thread Duncan
sync users can ignore, or how they can get gpg signature verification as well if its possible. (Sufficient to just link it if it's more involved than a single paragraph, since this is primarily for rsync users.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree pr

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Plan for initial integration of gemato with portage

2018-01-24 Thread Duncan
ntion: or the more detailed instructions the news item points to if they get too long to be in the news item itself. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: version/slot locked dependencies in eclasses like autotools.eclass and vala.eclass

2018-01-22 Thread Duncan
Michael Orlitzky posted on Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:04:30 -0500 as excerpted: > On 01/22/2018 05:10 AM, Duncan wrote: >>>> >>>> If the dependencies are to remain in the eclasses, then the eclasses >>>> should get a new revision when those dependencies cha

[gentoo-dev] Re: version/slot locked dependencies in eclasses like autotools.eclass and vala.eclass

2018-01-22 Thread Duncan
-bumping to reflect what upstream already did, won't be /that/ much different or /that/ much more work. Only now I guess I'll be seeing it in --rX revbumps, too.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Managing updates on many identical Gentoo systems

2018-01-18 Thread Duncan
on-identical stuff, so simply toggling a symlink lets you switch machine layouts), or if the machines have enough memory, setting up a single thumb drive to boot and put everything in a tmpfs for the machine to run from, so you can use the same thumb drive to boot them all, effectively the sneak

[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item: GnuCash 2.7+ Breaking Change

2018-01-16 Thread Duncan
onestly don't know which is worse, but the obvious ideal is a sane upstream that doesn't veer to either extreme, or lacking that, at least cooperates and provides support when a new at least /semi-/stable release is needed as the old is just outdated and broken, security or otherwise.) -- Duncan

[gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

2018-01-10 Thread Duncan
I can't fault them, and now we get to see how it all plays out. But whether they, and gentoo as a whole, wins that effective wager, or loses it, the bet has now been placed, so nothing to do but wait and see the results. =:^/ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last-rites: media-video/2mandvd

2018-01-09 Thread Duncan
n other packages supporting it) I have still depending on qt4, so a timetable as to qt4 removal giving me some idea how long I have to find, install and configure an alternative, and an idea where I'll be looking for it if I don't get that conversion done by then, would be very useful. -- Dun

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dropped EAPI 2/3 support in virtualx.eclass

2018-01-06 Thread Duncan
nice, because if nothing else they can just grab a copy before the change and if they can't even do /that/ in a month... . Beyond that and the old version can always be dug out of git if necessary.) Either way, thanks for the cleanup. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML

[gentoo-dev] Re: Deleting old news items

2018-01-06 Thread Duncan
ys (365*1.5 rounded up) is appropriate. The precise config file path, name and format would be up to the implementer and/or eselect news module maintainer. * Other news readers could of course set and ship their own default expiry, if desired. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: News: systemd sysv-utils blocker resolution

2017-12-24 Thread Duncan
- > > Title: systemd sysv-utils blocker resolution +1 The news item reads very clearly to me. =:^) Thanks especially for explicitly including the list of symlinks and that sysvinit otherwise provides those files, as well as the explicitly suggested equery depends line for those who need it.

[gentoo-dev] Re: The problem of unmaintained packages in Gentoo

2017-12-22 Thread Duncan
because each release lists the bugs fixed and I can and do at least review their one- line summaries every time I update. Between that and following the patches as they're posted for review in portage-dev (so the release-time bug list is primarily review), I'm effectively following live-git p

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] First (experimental) 17.1 profiles news item for review (v2)

2017-12-21 Thread Duncan
Mike Gilbert posted on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:10:09 -0500 as excerpted: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Matthew Thode > <prometheanf...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On 17-12-21 08:34:31, Michał Górny wrote: >>> W dniu czw, 21.12.2017 o godzinie 05∶29 +, użytkownik Dunca

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] First (experimental) 17.1 profiles news item for review (v2)

2017-12-20 Thread Duncan
eep my merged lib here, managing it much like I do my merged bin and root/usr, but it'd be nice to know whether that's going to remain an official layout or not, and if not, what the timeframe for removing it is. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program

[gentoo-dev] Re: AMD64 Arch Testers needed urgently

2017-12-14 Thread Duncan
ve there's two people now volunteered for it, and of course people have to be aware of it before they can realize their personal stake and thus interest in it, thus this thread... Even if not enough by itself, you gotta start somewhere, and there's at least the two interested, now... -- Dunc

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Is portage (/usr)/bin-merge safe?

2017-12-07 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:07:21 -0800 as excerpted: > On 12/07/2017 12:37 AM, Duncan wrote: >> Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted: >> >>> On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote: >>>> As in subjec

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Is portage (/usr)/bin-merge safe?

2017-12-07 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted: > On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote: >> As in subject, is portage bin/usr-bin merge safe? >> >> It appears most of my clashing files are /usr/bin/* -> /bin/* symlinks. >> (That's just bin, I'

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH 2/2] glep-0042: Update and clarify naming rules.

2017-11-27 Thread Duncan
p the last sentence to read a bit smoother (I skipped formatting)... While there is no hard restriction on the length of short-name, limiting it to 20 characters is strongly recommended. (s/for/on/, reversing order of the limit and strongly recommended.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] git-r3.eclass: Support more flexible EGIT_OVERRIDE_* APIs for user

2017-11-18 Thread Duncan
e, when I needed to bisect a package the first time. So a variant without the repo OR package name would be my wish, here. > 2. The overrides weren't suitable for packages checking out multiple > repositories (LLVM, wine, glibc). Valid point there! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No

[gentoo-dev] Re: Manifest2 hashes, take n+1-th

2017-10-21 Thread Duncan
any good admin I try to follow the security news especially where it touches machines I administer, so I'm following this thread with particular interest.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Manifest2 hashes, take n+1-th

2017-10-20 Thread Duncan
back to it. So the hash verification time really does matter, even if it's minutes compared to hours of actual build time, because that's time I'm actively waiting for it, vs. letting it do its thing in the background, with much less concern about how long (within reason) it might take. --

[gentoo-dev] Re: pkg_rm_pretend?

2017-10-14 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Sun, 15 Oct 2017 06:36:34 +1300 as excerpted: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:50:38 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > >> Wow. How'd you ever get a backlog of 400 packages in your depclean >> list, >> including critic

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-12 Thread Duncan
o be easier. So 7.5 months does seem reasonable, to me at least. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: pkg_rm_pretend?

2017-10-12 Thread Duncan
or deal with it manually if the lower backtrack didn't propose a satisfactory solution. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-12 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:31:55 + as excerpted: > Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:32 +0200 as > excerpted: > >> Switching the profile changes the settings for building gcc (it >> switches a use-flag from forced-off to forced-on). A gcc-6 b

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-10 Thread Duncan
h stabilizes gcc-6.4+, with the goal for the gcc stabilization being the end of 2017, meaning 13.0 profile removal is planned for the end of 2018 if all archs meet their gcc-6.4+ stabilization goal." -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a l

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-10 Thread Duncan
Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:32 +0200 as excerpted: > Am Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2017, 04:10:13 CEST schrieb Duncan: > >> One thing isn't clear here. Is this sequence necessary due to the >> profile switch itself, because the /profile/ enab

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-09 Thread Duncan
y've already crossed with the gcc upgrade? Either way, making the answer to that explicit should be useful, avoiding either an unnecessary full rebuild, or avoiding the problems because the news item wasn't clear and people already on gcc-6.4+ thought the procedure didn't apply to them. --

[gentoo-dev] Re: Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-30 Thread Duncan
ort of detection they do if they support it, and how they translate the passed parameters if necessary, and bugs in how they do any of it become the bugs of that initsystem. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-29 Thread Duncan
Harald Weiner posted on Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:47:35 +0200 as excerpted: > Duncan posted on 09/29/17 2:08 AM as excerpted: > >> Or are we going to replace rm, and fdisk, and gdisk, and cfdisk, and >> cgdisk, and who knows how many other binaries, with "safe" >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-28 Thread Duncan
tual to provide it, just as I've done for a number of other packages that aren't actually required to build or run the commands I /do/ want to run.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: glibc-2.26 and changes with SunRPC, libtirpc, ntirpc, libnsl (NIS and friends), ...

2017-09-20 Thread Duncan
Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:53:20 +0200 as excerpted: > Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017, 07:06:24 CEST schrieb Duncan: >> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:56:30 +0200 as >> excerpted: >> > It may not always be obvious where this is nee

[gentoo-dev] Re: glibc-2.26 and changes with SunRPC, libtirpc, ntirpc, libnsl (NIS and friends), ...

2017-09-18 Thread Duncan
/need, so whatever USE is pulling it in obviously isn't something I wanted or found I needed due to required-deps or something, here.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [openrc] [systemd] make `service` common for both OpenRC and SystemD (like Debian/Ubuntu/whatever did)

2017-09-17 Thread Duncan
fectly covered by https://xkcd.com/927/ :) Well, I'd argue the case for "not 'perfectly'", because for better or for worse, systemd has had rather more luck at cross-distro init-system unification than that comic suggests. There's still special-cases like small embedded where sys

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v3] eclass/kernel-2.eclass: Remove use of tr in global scope

2017-09-07 Thread Duncan
e to lean on CAs, it should hopefully at least resist the trivial stuff like insecure wifi and ISP content-insertion games.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
or it, so you broadened my vocabulary in a very useful way. =:^) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_dilemma -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
Meanwhile, it's certainly nice to see messages with more respect than may sometimes be seen in this list. Thanks. But don't be afraid to post your user's opinion just because it differs from someone else's opinion. Your opinion is valuable too, even if it's mine it differs with! =:^) -

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
meone else with the opposite reaction, favoring desktop-* over ux-*). --- [1] Dosbox game: Master of Orion, original, (c) 1993 updated copy. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-03 Thread Duncan
oday, due to mobile, wearables, and possibly ultimately injectibles. > IDK. > > I'm not committed to anything I've said here, just food for thought. Same here. My biggest concern is simply avoiding, if possible, setting up new categories now, only to have to redo them in 2-5 when hindsig

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-08-30 Thread Duncan
came of it. Perhaps gui-* category names if that's actually moving forward, in ordered to maintain a bit of consistency and for lack of a better idea? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Guidelines for dangerous USE flags

2017-08-29 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:21:09 +1200 as excerpted: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 03:06:13 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > >> nrpe-command-args-SECURITY-HOLE or just nrpe-GAPING-SECURITY-HOLE > > That's probably excessive, if you set

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: xfce-extra/xfce4-volumed

2017-08-28 Thread Duncan
mixer if kmix isn't working (I'm on live-git-kde after all) or is "working" but I'm not getting the expected results or I simply want a different visual presentation. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use

[gentoo-dev] Re: Guidelines for dangerous USE flags

2017-08-23 Thread Duncan
ALL CAPS helps distinguish it too, since most USE flags are lowercase) in the name, say as ... nrpe-command-args-SECURITY-HOLE or just nrpe-GAPING-SECURITY-HOLE ... seems to me the most effective. Anyone that would even *think* to enable something like that without doing some *serious*

[gentoo-dev] Re: Help maintaining dev-erlang and ejabberd

2017-08-23 Thread Duncan
ontact there. You also need to contact the proxy-maintainer project to initiate that angle. There's further details and additional resources on the linked page, above. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v2 01/12] dev-util/shadowman: New package

2017-08-20 Thread Duncan
st used to seeing it require the ** accept_keyword thing). So I'm just wondering what reason you might have had to do it this way instead. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: New item for sys-kernel/hardened-sources removal

2017-08-20 Thread Duncan
and now unsupported versions in the tree when they're guaranteed to be increasingly vulnerable to new attacks is simply irresponsible, with no logical argument that can be made otherwise, thus the removal. Were it any other package, with any other primary purpose... but it's not. -- Duncan - L

[gentoo-dev] Re: New item for sys-kernel/hardened-sources removal

2017-08-19 Thread Duncan
[Just my contribution to the shed color debate. =:^P ] -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-r3.eclass: Explicitly warn about unsecure protocols

2017-08-19 Thread Duncan
cess saved_umask > + local success saved_umask > if [[ ${EVCS_UMASK} ]]; then > saved_umask=$(umask) > umask "${EVCS_UMASK}" || die "Bad options to umask: > ${EVCS_UMASK}" -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-18 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Sun, 13 Aug 2017 02:52:58 + as excerpted: > Michael Orlitzky posted on Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:58:41 -0400 as excerpted: > >> On 08/12/2017 04:39 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: >> >>> There are use-cases for --changed-use / --newuse other than change

Re: [gentoo-dev] New item for sys-kernel/hardened-sources removal

2017-08-16 Thread Duncan
Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) posted on Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:09:57 +0200 as excerpted: > s you may know the core of sys-kernel/hardened-sources have been the > grsecuirty patches. New typo: s/grsecuirty/grsecurity/ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Ev

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-16 Thread Duncan
unneeded these days) and smart- live-rebuild of my (live) kde packages.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-15 Thread Duncan
t;plus", if "in addition to" makes it too long... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] emerge: add --autounmask-keep-keywords option (bug 622480)

2017-08-14 Thread Duncan
being automatically written, allowing the user direct control over what's actually written and how. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] emerge: add --autounmask-keep-keywords option (bug 622480)

2017-08-13 Thread Duncan
, doing it manually means I remember the details I did /not/ put down much more readily, once prompted by the ones I did. Even if an automated version could do it it'd need to write paragraphs in ordered to allow me to make sense of it a year or whatever later, compared to my single line wh

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-12 Thread Duncan
I hadn't previously considered, sometimes changing my mind entirely. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-12 Thread Duncan
o the version bump is effectively mandatory due to security overrides in any case, and that it was fixed by a temporary USE flag drop doesn't change things at all. If that security-override isn't explicit in current documentation, that'd be the bug, not the fact that use-flag drops don't on t

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] toolchain-glibc.eclass: fix libm.so symlinking for live glibc

2017-08-11 Thread Duncan
rth a bit of extra care while fixing the one to keep in mind the other so as not to further complicate fixing it, is all. (I'll be working on my bug either late today/Friday or Saturday.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if

[gentoo-dev] Re: Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-10 Thread Duncan
lity I don't want/need anyway, so I null-pkg it with an overlay version that has no deps and installs no files. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] toolchain-glibc.eclass: fix libm.so symlinking for live glibc

2017-08-10 Thread Duncan
ot;(apparently)" above, but perhaps it's acting differently now due to the recent migration away from eblits? What I know for sure is that the upgrade broke my system until I manually copied the libm binary from the binpkg back into place. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. &quo

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-31 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:55:05 -0400 as excerpted: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> Rich Freeman posted on Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:11:24 -0400 as excerpted: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Alec Warner

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-31 Thread Duncan
it's "painful" for them. So it's certainly doable, maintainable over years and major changes, and consumable, as gentoo/kde devs and their users have been and continues to demonstrate. =:^) The /big/ question then is only whether that model's actually a good fit for the wider gent

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Duncan
we'd simply lose most of the volunteers who have a major interest in stable. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-27 Thread Duncan
ommits retroactively is the OpenPGP > signing. However, it has been an obligatory requirement enforced by the > infrastructure since the git switch. Therefore, all the git history > conforms to that. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-27 Thread Duncan
less (they are redundant), and using the former > has no advantages over using the classic #nn form in the > summary or the body. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-27 Thread Duncan
When doing a minor change to a large number of packages, it is > reasonable to do so in a single commit. However, when doing a major > change (e.g. a version bump), it is better to split commits on package > boundaries. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-27 Thread Duncan
master branch only. The development branches can use relaxed rules. Can/may... There may be other uses I won't mention but if you decide it's worth changing at all, a search and evaluate usage may be worth it. > Rewriting history (i.e. force pushes) of the master branch is forbidden. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-27 Thread Duncan
ng git/repository has been using git/ Second: s/Most of the developers/Most developers/ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-24 Thread Duncan
use that's what it took to stabilize the patched version on some platform or other that was holding up the glsa. Automating stabilization and automated keyword dropping on timeouts seems the only other practical choice, as unfortunately, "stale" is what we have today in practice, if

[gentoo-dev] Re: lua upgrade plan

2017-07-02 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sun, 02 Jul 2017 10:30:12 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 03:55:54AM +0000, Duncan wrote: >> William Hubbs posted on Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:53:59 -0500 as excerpted: >> >> > See this article for why using liblua as a shared library

[gentoo-dev] Re: lua upgrade plan

2017-07-01 Thread Duncan
atively easy compared to some distros. I did it with kde twice, when gentoo/kde wasn't supporting builds without semantic-desktop. =:^) And in this case it appears there's even someone already doing it and making their work public via the lua overlay. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies pref

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Forced/automatic USE flag constraints (codename: ENFORCED_USE)

2017-05-31 Thread Duncan
o masked flags today. After all, it's simply another method of masking, only in this case it's dynamic, by the PM at solve time. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-14 Thread Duncan
e something shorter, say 90 days, which just emphasizes how old those bugs really are), where's the justification to bother migrating them to the new workflow? They should have been acted upon well before the new workflow came to be, and if people are bothering to migrate, I'd not blame that a

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] profiles: update pie use-flag masks for sys-devel/gcc

2017-05-11 Thread Duncan
masked/forced for all > packages in use.{mask,force}, then you would add a line like "-foo" to > the use.{mask,force} file in /etc/portage/profile/. Thanks. As I said I doubt I'm the only one who will find this useful. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] profiles: update pie use-flag masks for sys-devel/gcc

2017-05-11 Thread Duncan
itial gcc6 emerge and @world rebuild, but I was persuaded by the discussion here to try it, second global rebuild, and so far it works. So both because it's supposed to be safer and because I don't want to do now a /third/ global rebuild, I strongly prefer to keep it, now that I have it, and no

[gentoo-dev] Re: Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread Duncan
n the previously working PYTHON_TARGETS system that was keeping things sane by only updating a package's PYTHON_TARGETS for a new python once it had actually been tested to work with it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] OT: Screen bragging. Was: [PROPOSAL] Don't split user visible messages across multiple lines

2017-03-17 Thread Duncan
ld 9.0 in my konsole windows, yields: $ echo $COLUMNS x $LINES 179 x 78 And that's six of those on the 65" 4K, PLUS the full-screen 1080p youtube or whatever window on the 48". =:^) This is the first time I can honestly say I have enough screen space that most of the time I'm not activ

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: [Bug 597822] www-apache/mod_perl-2.0.10 dev-perl/Chatbot-Eliza-1.60.0 keyword request

2017-03-11 Thread Duncan
:) ... which will make it six months after the announced 30-day clock expires. (Make it 45-days and it'll be a full calendar six months, half a year.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH v2] emerge: auto-enable --with-bdeps if --usepkg is not enabled (bug 598444)

2017-03-05 Thread Duncan
means, confusing tho it may be, it /does/ result in most people not needing to care, so in the end, even tho I agree it's definitely more complex than I'd wish, I'll have to lean Zac's way on this one. Which effectively surprises even me. I started this post expecting I was going to agree with

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] grabfile_package: support -* in profile "packages" files (bug 610670)

2017-02-23 Thread Duncan
ation features for a rather significant number of packages, and to be better informed and active in terms of what specific packages I do have on the system.) I'll be looking forward to seeing this in a release. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

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