Re: [gentoo-dev] status of bugs blocking gcc-4.8.3

2014-10-30 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Saturday, 25 October 2014 12:47:21 CEST, Luca Barbato wrote: The ABI mismatch is due the library not being versioned properly as usual? Please note that this would be a hard thing to do. This is not just a matter of calling an appropriate version of a given function; there are no

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Friday, 20 December 2013 10:00:43 CEST, Martin Vaeth wrote: The example with string reference-counters which you gave is IMHO typical; one would really need to write strange code to make it work *with* reference counters but break without. Hard to believe that this happens in practice.

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Friday, 20 December 2013 12:56:43 CEST, Sven Eden wrote: And no, the languages are _not_ source-incompatible. That would be a scandal! You might argue about this, but that doesn't change these facts. This is absolutely valid C++98 program: jkt@svist ~ $ cat foo.cpp int main() { auto

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 02:41:55 CEST, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: I'd like to make an analogy to the version bump of gcc[1]. We (gentoo) decide to support c++11 officially or not. If so, open a tracker bug to push it globally. If not, patch lldb to support non-c++11, or leave it up to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 09:35:14 CEST, Michał Górny wrote: And how is this an issue to the major distributions? Binary distros can do a simple switch with standard all-package upgrade and forget about it. Like they usually do. Only people who built from sources have to think about it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 09:44:38 CEST, C. Bergström wrote: libboost.so (or any really popular lib.. Qt..) built with -std=c++11 breaks abi As I said, the problem is more complicated. Qt5 built with the C++11 support does not break its ABI compared to usign the C++98 mode. Boost is in

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 10:18:55 CEST, Michał Górny wrote: Would it be possible to have a consistent ABI for both C++03 and C++11? The simpler changes like adding new fields can be backported quite easily (even if it would mean having dummy fields in C++03), I have no idea about the more

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 16:00:13 CEST, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: A change in profiles? 14.0/* adds that to the default CXXFLAGS in base, new stage3's etc are all rolled with this. We recommend migration to 14.0 profile and have a check somewhere about -std=c++11 missing from CXXFLAGS in

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:29:19 CEST, viv...@gmail.com wrote: just a question, what would do -fabi-version=6 added to CXXFLAGS even w/o C++11? I believe that -fabi-version is for low level bits at the level of e.g. identifier mangling. It cannot affect whether a std::string is

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:58:07 CEST, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: I think it is better achieved by a (simple and stupid) global CXXFLAGS. Adding an extra USE flag feels a little over-engineering. What compiler flag do you propose to use? Note that --std=c++11 will not work. Cheers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 17:37:56 CEST, C. Bergström wrote: From the perspective of a compiler vendor - I must ask why not? There is code out there which builds fine under C++98, but fails to build when C++11 is enabled (as but one exmaple, have a look at [1]). [1]

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to support C++11 in libraries?

2013-12-18 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:05:46 CEST, C. Bergström wrote: If moving to C++11 - Isn't that considered just part of the work along the path? There's some clang tools to help with the migration, but I don't think anyone expects it to be zero work. The flag is just a way to a) enable

[gentoo-dev] Removing net-wireless/ipw3945*

2013-06-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
Hi folks, somehow it happened that I'm listed as the only maintainer of net-wireless/ipw3945d, net-wireless/ipw3945 and net-wireless/ipw3945-ucode. I'm not an ebuild developer, I no longer use that hardware on a production machine, and I believe that I switched that old laptop to iwl3945 years

[gentoo-dev] Re: Removing net-wireless/ipw3945*

2013-06-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:02:33 CEST, Markos Chandras wrote: Could you please open a bug so treecleaners can track this? https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472296 it is. Thanks. Cheers, Jan

[gentoo-dev] USE=-ipv6 in the hardened profile

2011-02-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
Hi, current hardened profile sets USE=-ipv6, but I wasn't able to find any reason for that in the ChangeLogs. With the upcoming v6 frenzy, I was wondering if we can remove that default. With kind regards, Jan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small change: Global USE flag nsplugin

2009-03-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Christian Faulhammer wrote: Ok. What about: Build media plugin for browsers supporting the Netscape plugin architecture such as www-client/mozilla-firefox Build media plugin for browsers supporting the Netscape plugin architecture (that is almost any modern browser) Cheers, -jkt -- cd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: News item: Generation 1 deprecation

2009-02-23 Thread Jan Kundrát
See the patch. -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth --- generation1-deprecation.orig2009-02-23 14:50:37.920591164 +0100 +++ generation1-deprecation 2009-02-23 14:51:25.180617090 +0100 @@ -21,9 +21,9 @@ emerge -av --depclean virtual/jdk:1.4 -If don't need virtual/jdk:1.4 any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usage of cp -i to prevent overwriting upstream files

2009-01-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ferris McCormick wrote: 'cp -i' will at least ask a question, and I find that marginally better --- it's confusing, but at least it says something. But it seems to me that if we hit this case, no one (including the package owner) knows which .xml file to use, so stopping the build makes sense,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RDEPEND definition in docs differ from official PMS specs

2009-01-17 Thread Jan Kundrát
Thomas Sachau wrote: as specified in the PMS spec [1] and stated in #gentoo-portage, RDEPEND will be set to DEPEND, if it is not defined in the ebuild itself. But devmanual [2] and developer handbook [3] both state, you have do explicitly set RDEPEND because it may be removed in the future.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anouncement: Updated kde4 eclasses in the tree.

2009-01-13 Thread Jan Kundrát
Tomáš Chvátal wrote: (i guess kmail4.2 is doing something fancy :D) Well, that explains it :). Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jean-Marc Hengen wrote: tree and my policies (more precisely: I can't keep current stable portage and cmake-2.6.2). My solution to the problem, was to copy the ebuild in /var/db/pkg to my local overlay and I'm fine with it for now. The drawback of this workaround is, I could miss important

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-11-30 Thread Jan Kundrát
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: I have a very quick proposal: why don't we move the packages' homepage in metadata.xml (since it's usually unique for all the versions) I believe the reason was that HOMEPAGE might change with new versions and that metadata.xml didn't (doesn't?) support

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-11-30 Thread Jan Kundrát
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: - no need to replicate homepage data between versions; even though forks can change homepage, I would expect that to at worse split in two a package, or have to be different by slot, like Java; But also the need to replicate http://www.kde.org/ to

Re: [gentoo-dev] An official Gentoo wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Michael Hammer wrote: The wiki can be a staging ground for user contributed documents, which can become part of official docs after a review and cleanup by developers. ...as long as they use a compatible license, is not the case right now (and never was, IIRC). That's the way I intended my

Re: [gentoo-dev] An official Gentoo wiki

2008-11-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
kashani wrote: How easy is it to checkout current GDP docs Append ?passthru=1 to the end of the URL. and make changes to them? I take it you want to make a patch. In such case, edit the file and submit the diff via Bugzilla. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Add RESTRICT=distcc capability

2008-11-01 Thread Jan Kundrát
Gordon Malm wrote: It looks to me like you've already made up your mind. How is hardened doing the entirely wrong thing? From the page [1] you mentioned: If so, that seems to me like an abuse of the -D option. The abuse is in changing the compiler behavior based on -D options. What do you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-lang/python: ChangeLog python-2.6.ebuild python-2.5.2-r6.ebuild

2008-10-13 Thread Jan Kundrát
Steve Long wrote: insinto /usr/share/doc/${P}/examples Is there any chance we can start using correctly quoted filenames across the board? Since when is ${P} allowed to have spaces? Besides being faster (quote the whole thing) Have you done a benchmark certifying that

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 in GLEP56 use flags?

2008-10-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ben de Groot wrote: The xml header in each metadata.xml states that the content is UTF-8 encoded, and any XML parser has to be able to handle this. Also, when used literally in xml, the 5 special characters ' cause a well-formedness error, as far as I know. You're wrong, it's absolutely

Re: [gentoo-dev] FHS compliant KDE install and multi-version support

2008-09-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Some members of the KDE team have been talking for some time about having a FHS compliant install (define KDE prefix as /usr instead of /usr/kde/version). What are benefits of such a change? What happens when KDE release a version breaking ABI (like KDE 5)?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP 56] metadata.xml USE flag descriptions [Clarifications]

2008-08-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Josh Saddler wrote: XML doesn't put a space between the attribute and the closing slash -- XHTML does. Common mistake. Also, use for attributes, rather than '. Nope, both is perfectly legal in XML (and illegal per the GDP coding style, which certainly doesn't apply to metadata.xml) :p.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Robin H. Johnson wrote: If you would like to have the new bot in your #gentoo-* channel, would each channel founder/leader please respond to this thread, stating the channel name, and that they are the contact for any problems/troubles. #gentoo.cs please, me as a contact. -- cd /local/pub

Re: [gentoo-dev] IBM article of interest ?

2008-07-17 Thread Jan Kundrát
Josh Saddler wrote: Yes, it looks as if someone at IBM simply copied it from there, where it is indeed marked updated. Perhaps you misunderstand -- the articles originally were written *for developerWorks*, not for Gentoo. That's where they first appeared 7 or 8 years ago. And that's also

Re: [gentoo-dev] IBM article of interest ?

2008-07-17 Thread Jan Kundrát
Philip Webb wrote: Neither an e-mail address nor an Internet URL is some history: they are a means of contacting a person a link to a site as such they should be upto-date or deleted. Daniel Robbins founded Gentoo. His mail is still valid and will remain so. but you are missing the point.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-06-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
Benedikt Morbach wrote: retired and work on an alternative package manager and a certain dokument where they try to set gentoo standards from the outside. Please stop spreading FUD about PMS forcing some standards over Gentoo. Get your facts straight before commenting any further, thanks.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
Luca Barbato wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/#doc_chap5 The latest release of Gentoo Linux is: Gentoo Linux 2007.0 for Alpha, AMD64, HPPA, IA64, MIPS, PPC, S390, SH, SPARC, and x86 architectures. Good point, doc team please update those places. The GDP has zero control over

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jeroen Roovers wrote: PS: I wanted to respond to many more of your comments, but then I always thought: who is this man anyway and does he perhaps contribute to Gentoo in some obscure way? Now I tend to think you don't. David seems to be a PMS contributor [1]. Cheers, -jkt [1]

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/ There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane decided to go and vandalise it

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Jan Kundrát
Joe Peterson wrote: But what users *really* don't care about is EAPIs, and this GLEP would expose that technical detail to them in a very blatent way. Anyone who cares about ebuilds at a file level has to care about EAPIs. Not really. A typical user does not need to know about EAPIs at all,

Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Thomas Anderson wrote: I personally have had no problems reading and/or understanding PMS, and I've had to reference a fair bit of it. I'd like to hear exactly who has problems with what sections and how to fix that. As Fabian said it really isn't a matter of We like XML better than LaTeX!

Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Luca Barbato wrote: Thomas Anderson wrote: As Fabian said it really isn't a matter of We like XML better than LaTeX! It's not those people's prerogative. Problems like having homogeneous documentation aren't that small. See the devmanual. It uses completely different XML markup. It is XML,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Tiziano Müller wrote: Having the EAPI versioned like this: X.Y where X is the postfix part of the ebuild (foo-1.0.ebuild-X) and Y the EAPI=Y in the ebuild itself we could increment Y in case the changes to the EAPI don't break sourcing (again: a package manager will have to mask those ebuilds)

Re: [gentoo-dev] am I ready to step into Gentoo?

2008-05-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Hi Federico, a good start would be not to hijack threads [1] :p Cheers, -jkt [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global useflags

2008-05-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Markus Meier wrote: qt3support: Enable the Qt3Support libraries for Qt4 While it affects a few packages, they all are parts of the Qt toolkit (which we previously shipped in one big package). I can't see a scenario where this flag might be used on a package not released by Trolltech.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global useflags

2008-05-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Andrey Grozin wrote: sci-visualization/qtiplot, for example I don't see a reference to the qt3support flag in any of qtiplot ebuilds, could you please clarify what you mean? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] global useflags

2008-05-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Andrey Grozin wrote: There was a period when qtiplot required qt4 emerged with qt3support USE flag. So, it had pkg_setup which checked this and produced an error it necessary. Ah, that's quite common -- a package FooBar is ported to Qt4, but it still uses some of the Qt4's Qt3support

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: qemu - add gcc-3.x dependency

2008-05-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Enrico Weigelt wrote: I'm just installing qemu, which requires gcc-3.x for building. The current breaks are very ugly, IMHO. So I'm proposing to add the old gcc-3.x as depedency to qemu, at least as long as it doesn't build w/ newer gcc. Hi Enrico, it is usually a good idea to search

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: language bindings as separate packages

2008-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Enrico Weigelt wrote: Maybe you remember the discussions about stable vs. dev kernel branches: the kernel folks wanted to give up stable branches, leaving them to the individual distros and concentrate just on devel branch. A lot of people were totally unhappy with this idea, so they

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Chris Henhawke (bunder)

2008-04-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
likewhoa wrote: plus the beer is free so you'll Hey! Location? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] gcc-4.2 / gcc-4.3 plans

2008-04-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Vaeth wrote: Result: Compiles fine with gcc-4.3 on x86 but dies immediately at boot (before printing anything) unless acpi=off is used. (And just to be sure, I disabled every acpi feature except general acpi support - same result). Please file a bug at bugs,gentoo.org, our hardened team surely

Re: [gentoo-dev] gcc-4.2 / gcc-4.3 plans

2008-04-10 Thread Jan Kundrát
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Presuming you're adding the direction-flag patch to 4.3.0 so it doesn't break people on a kernel earlier than 2.6.25? gentoo-sources-2.6.24-r4 has that patch, at least when looking at the changelog. Or is it just for compile-time borkage and not for the direction flag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2008-04-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: 26767 ingmar 41523 philantrop Go KDE go! :) Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Return of a developer : Josh Glover (jmglov)

2008-04-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Denis Dupeyron wrote: he also enjoys drinking beer. So please everybody give a warm re-welcome to Josh. Sounds good, let's have one :] Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2008-04-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: If you can't manage weekly commits, you can't respond to security issues either. This means that you should have devaway on. That assumption is false. If there was a need to do weekly commits and the dev in question couldn't manage it, it would be wise to expect that he

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Ahmed Ammar (b33fc0d3)

2008-03-30 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: Joining us from the land of the pyramids, we have Ahmed b33fc0d3 Ammar. w3l(0m3 4b04rd, 4hm3d. (h33r5, -jk7 -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Natanael Copa wrote: So since I build a distro where size does matter (uclibc) I realised that even if I submit bugs for broken RDEPEND, there will never be an end to those bug reports. Looking at this thread, it seems i was right. I wonder what you are looking at :(. You've been told by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-13 Thread Jan Kundrát
Fabio Erculiani wrote: ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad. I'm not sure I understand how exactly you bring people to Gentoo. You bring people to your distribution which is a binary rebuilt of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Fabio Erculiani wrote: I offer my help to fix DEPEND/RDEPEND split issues which is causing me a lot of headaches (along with localizations). For reference, please have a look here: http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=105 The name [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a valid username. Either you misspelled

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Richard Freeman wrote: We might also aim to make it easy for users to mix-and-match levels of stability by package. I know it is possible already, but perhaps it could be improved, or pre-canned lists of packages that users might typically want bleeding-edge vs stable could be compiled.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: removal of digest files from the tree

2008-01-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Davide Cendron wrote: Ok, so we're just blocking on the docs guys. Well, to the best of my knowledge, nobody asked us to fix stuff. Preferred way would be filing a bug to the docs-team that says hey, we're gonna deprecate all digests, could you please fix your crap so that it doesn't recommend

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Jan Kundrát
Duncan wrote: Mainstream kernel's default make install uses /sbin/installkernel if it exists, so I've been using it, invoking the kernel's make install from my own kernel scripts. installkernel invokes mkboot... We (the docs team) have never suggested out users to run `make install` for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Perhaps I'm just so much used to seeing automatic signatures separated by -- \r\n and consider non-separated text as typed by the author. (And yes, Chris, I need beer from pubs :) ) Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Chrissy Fullam wrote: I appreciate your opinion and your right to have such an opinion, however, I have a hard time understanding your reason for said opinion. I would expect any person to be able to say 'enough' and 'lets take this elsewhere.' Perhaps he feels in such a way because your mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI) [2]

2007-12-27 Thread Jan Kundrát
Roy Marples wrote: I understand that metadata in a file name is pure and simple hackery that has no place here and the GLEP is a flimsy attempt to justify it. Do you count version as metadata? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP 55] EAPI subdirectories instead of file name suffixes

2007-12-22 Thread Jan Kundrát
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: The package manger would have to look for ebuilds in the main dir and all the subdirs in case it doesn't have/can't use the cache. No, it would have to check only for subdirectories named after known and supported EAPIs. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-22 Thread Jan Kundrát
Simon Cooper wrote: nearly all binary files do versioning/format information inside the files Think of different EAPIs as different set of rules for the ebuild contents. If you accept this, you can easily define new EAPI as a new format for ebuilds. It's nice that current EAPI 1 is backwards

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Looking at my kernel config, ext3 and reiser explicitly support xattrs, and I see jfs and xfs have acls and security labels, which might be usable. Extended attributes can be turned off during compile time for each filesystem you mentioned. NFSv3 doesn't support them

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Donnie Berkholz wrote: If you turn off features you need, things break. There's nothing new about that. If you disable ext3 support in your kernel, you can't mount an ext3 partition and you'll get an error during boot about not finding the root. I see your point, but extended attributes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Update: qt-4

2007-12-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Caleb Tennis wrote: Since Qt is starting to get rather, ahem, big, I've decided that with the introduction of version 4.4 it's a good time to try and split it down into more manageable chunks. I'm introducing a few new packages that are designed to break out some of the major pieces into

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some new global USE-flags

2007-12-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Santiago M. Mola wrote: These are potentially ambiguos. Could you please elaborate a bit about the raw one? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this decision so that interested readers can make their own opinion? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gnupg-2 stable plans

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 12/12/07, Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alon Bar-Lev wrote: As I told you before, I wont slot these two. Could you provide a link to reasons that lead you to this decision so that interested readers can make their own opinion? http://bugs.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] scm package version suffix

2007-12-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Specification = ``scm`` is a special suffix. It can be used on its own, but also in any other valid version spec, just before the place where revision would go. And just like revision it can be used only once in a version spec, e.g.: * ``cat/pkg-1.0_alpha0-scm`` *

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages.gentoo.org lives!

2007-12-01 Thread Jan Kundrát
Robin H. Johnson wrote: My quote was from the first sentence of RFC1738, sec 3.3 (HTTP), para 4. Missed that, sorry. Redirecting clients to new URLs would give you perfect caching as well. That's why I say i'm willing to do redirection at the cache level. I do NOT want lots of users with old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libevent: ChangeLog libevent-1.3e.ebuild

2007-11-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: So on estonian locales those letters won't be included in [a-z] but they will be included in [:alpha:]. Actually that was exactly my point. If user had some funny locale that has digits or dots in its [:alpha:], the ebuild wouldn't work as desired, but it would rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libevent: ChangeLog libevent-1.3e.ebuild

2007-11-13 Thread Jan Kundrát
Steve Long wrote: Is [[:alpha:]] locale-safe? Yes, all POSIX character classes listed here are: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap07.html Thanks for a nice link. If I read section 7.3.1 correctly, [[:alpha:]] always contains those letters, but might contain more,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: eselect_zenity: alpha eselect GUI

2007-11-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Steve Long wrote: Whatever. Requiring root for certain tasks has a long history: On the kernel side. Hmm, I'm sure I've used several apps which required root over the years. They are flawed unless they are things like su/sudo/... . As a fine example about why is this checking bad, see bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libevent: ChangeLog libevent-1.3e.ebuild

2007-11-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Donnie Berkholz wrote: if [[ -n ${ver} ]] [[ ${ver//[a-zA-Z-]} != ${PV//[a-zA-Z]} ]] ; then It isn't terribly likely to become an issue here, but it might be nicer to use [[:alpha:]] than [a-zA-Z]. Is [[:alpha:]] locale-safe? Cheers. -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Resolving HAL vs. pciutils/usbutils

2007-10-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Guilherme Amadio wrote: And sorry to a bit off this thread, but I also would like to help with some translations of official docs and development. I've been using Gentoo since 1.4, but never really had time to help. Now I feel I'll have more time and, if you can point me to some Brazilian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolving HAL vs. pciutils/usbutils

2007-10-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Daniel Drake wrote: OK, so having a dynamic libpci is an outstanding requirement for the patch. I will follow up with pciutils upstream about the current state of that. If you had any issues with Martin Mares, I can talk to him as he's my teacher in one course at the university. He looks like

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Dawid We;glin' ski (cla)

2007-10-16 Thread Jan Kundrát
Roy Marples wrote: On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 10:27 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: You make it sound like non-ebuild devs with different kinds of commit access aren't full or real devs and might be second-class Gentoo members! Which we aren't. :) Third class then? :P /me ducks the flame onslaught

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in games-kids/gcompris: ChangeLog gcompris-8.4.ebuild

2007-10-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
Tristan Heaven wrote: It's my understanding that anything in DEPEND will be installed into /, so no. If you mean that running `ROOT=/target emerge --usepkgonly foo-package` will install foo-package's dependencies into real /, then no, it won't. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to add a service to /etc/services?

2007-10-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ulrich Mueller wrote: if ! $(grep 2010/tcp /etc/services /dev/null 21) ; then cp /etc/services ${T}/services cat ${T}/services-EOF ndtp2010/tcp# Network Dictionary Transfer Protocol EOF

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: use flags - use options

2007-10-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Tobias Klausmann wrote: For those apps that need an editor, one could think of editor=vim. USE flag change usually triggers a rebuild of the package in question. I certainly don't want to rebuild packages just because I switch $EDITOR. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth

Re: [gentoo-dev] meaning of sqlite/sqlite3 use flag

2007-09-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: We should remove 2.x from tree and use just sqlite. Qt3 supports only sqlite2. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] meaning of sqlite/sqlite3 use flag

2007-09-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: Does anything need the sqlite2 support in QT? Anything that uses Qt for database access (and chooses sqlite as the backend). media-gfx/kphotoalbum is an example. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] meaning of sqlite/sqlite3 use flag

2007-09-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: We should remove 2.x from tree and use just sqlite. Oh, and another reason is compatibility -- sqlite2 and sqlite3 use different on-disk format. sqlite3 can't read sqlite2 data and vice versa. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-10 Thread Jan Kundrát
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: What about distcc? Sounds like we need to get you some more powerful hardware to develop on or etc. Since xorg is a fairly major package. Understandably hard to test every time, but ideally all should be. Well, last time I checked, PHP had about 90 USE flags. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Stephen P. Becker wrote: I will say that this is still a better situation than the closed drivers, which instantly hard lock my computer the first time I exit X after the initial startup. Perhaps this might help you -- http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_fglrx#Hardlock_on_X_logout

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New lists and their usage

2007-07-22 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ryan Hill wrote: zombieswift/new devs -project council/trustee nominations -project Then it's worth cross-posting -core or -dev-announce or similar. I thought that goal of -project was to keep devs away from poisonous content without impairing their Gentoo-awareness.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC : New ebuild function pkg_create for creating corespondent sorce tarball

2007-07-17 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alin Năstac wrote: The upstream doesn't offer a source tarball, so I need to construct it myself from their svn repository. If you're creating a live ebuild, there are already existing eclasses that works from the user's POV. If your aim is to create an ebuild for a specific version, you might

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-16 Thread Jan Kundrát
I'd also like to nominate mcummings (he's an old guy in Gentoo land and his mails look reasonable), lack (he's a bit fresher, but his mails are good) and kumba (old guy, nice mails). XML has been updated. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
I nominate Wernfried Haas (amne). Based on a thorough and detailed review of Gentoo state-of-affair that we did together over several beers some time ago when he was at Prague, I'm sure he's one of the best candidates for the human, caring part of the Council. Anyone pointing out at any old

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Santiago M. Mola (coldwind)

2007-06-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
Denis Dupeyron wrote: at obscure pubs New developer is always a good reason to have another beer. Welcome aboard! Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to handle sensitive files when generating binary packages

2007-06-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: what are the use cases for binary packages? Apart from those already mentioned by Chris, I use FEATURES=buildpkg to be able to recover from a catastrophic experiment with a package's content, for being able to quickly reinstall it. Although it's lame, it's pretty easy to

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Kundrát
Abhay Kedia wrote: I am involved in this thread since its very beginning but looks like I am not being able to understand the problems. Would you please be kind enough to enumerate the issues discussed in this thread that warrant complete removal of Skype (rather than masking it) from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Kent Fredric wrote: possible alternative names: gentoo-soap, gentoo-gossip ( not to be confused with net-im/gossip ) Please, please, make it gentoo-circuits [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_My_Circuits Yours faithfully, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Matti Bickel wrote: It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the previous had within 28 days. Another point is the no patches clause, which prohibits distributions from carrying a significantly modified ion-3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing retired developers from project pages

2007-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: -date2006-05-02/date +date$DATE: $/date Please revert all date changes you've made for following reasons: a) $DATE: $ isn't expanded by CVS b) Even if it was expanded, I won't be expanded to the -mm-dd format c) Even if it was in -mm-dd format, it won't be fully

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing retired developers from project pages

2007-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: Maybe next time comment on the original patch to avoid pointless work. Well, first lines weren't changing any dates, so I've skipped the rest of the original mail. It was a pure coincidence that I spot them now. Anyway, thanks for fixing and removing retired people, -jkt --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing retired developers from project pages

2007-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: was this reply really necessary ? you made a mistake and Jan didnt catch it until after you committed it. perhaps you meant to say thank you, ive fixed the issues you pointed out to me. -mike Plaah cultural issues. I just hope my comment makes people read the

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