Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Downgrading glibc?

2011-02-11 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:

 Il giorno ven, 11/02/2011 alle 13.06 +0100, Sebastian Pipping ha
  If anyone considers masking glibc 2.13 for now: please take my vote.

 It should have been masked _beforehand_, masking it now is going to
 cause more trouble.

Given this situation; it is desirable for future Portage/EAPI to be
able to create a deptree depending on whether an atom is already
installed or not?

With this functionality it is possible to mask a
package-without-downgrade-path again for systems that haven't the new
atom installed yet.

It should be used as little as possible of course, but for situations
like this the damage can be limited to as few systems as possible.

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 stablisation plans

2007-07-23 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Saturday 21 July 2007 16:36:03 Roy Marples wrote: 
 This is just a heads up for getting baselayout-2 stable. Next week I 
 plan to put baselayout-2.0.0_rc1 into the tree without any keywords and 
 it will be removed from package.mask (keeping the current alphas masked 
 though). Arch teams will then be pinged on a bug to keyword 
 Well, that's about it. It's been a fun journey making baselayout-2 and 
 we're almost at the end of this road :) 
Hereby a friendly reminder that gcc-config should be keyworded as well, 
current gcc-config isn’t compatible with baselayout-2. According to Mike 
gcc-config-1.4.0 is compatible with baselayout-2. (doesn’t work on my system, 
but I haven’t investigated yet).
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2006-12-24 23:59 UTC

2006-12-26 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 02:04, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
 The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed
 from the tree, for the week ending 2006-12-24 23h59 UTC.

 x11-misc/emerald-themes   2006-12-20 01:00:59 tsunam

 x11-themes/emerald-themes 2006-12-19 21:22:56 tsunam

Thanks, is it possible to adjust the script and separate category moves? 
Thanks again.
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] globally disable use expand

2006-10-01 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Sunday 01 October 2006 16:24, Marius Mauch wrote:
 USE=-* never disabled USE_EXPAND by default (such behavior would
 have led to interesting problems).

  What is the proper way to disable it globally? I couldn't
  find anything in the documentation. Thanks!

 If your really want to do that you can set USE_EXPAND=-* in make.conf.


Thanks for your reply. I only updated portage before I noticed this behaviour, 
but it was the change in profile(s) that triggered this.
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[gentoo-portage-dev] globally disable use expand

2006-09-30 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
Hi guys,

If I'm not mistaken, behaviour in portage changed recently. USE=-* in 
make.conf disabled use expand as well. Now use expand stays enabled. What is 
the proper way to disable it globally? I couldn't find anything in the 
documentation. Thanks!

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[gentoo-portage-dev] generating ._cfg0000_foo multiple times between --sync

2006-04-15 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
Hi guys,

I wonder why the default behaviour of portage is to generate ._cfg_foo 
files only one time after a --sync. For example I have done the following;

- emerge --sync
- emerge baselayout --oneshot -v
._cfg_foo files are created so I can use dispatch-conf to select which one 
I want to update

after a while I want to reset more files to the default value so I do;
- emerge baselayout --oneshot -v
this time ._cfg_foo files are not created

When I do emerge --sync again and emerge baselayout --oneshot -v 
then ._cfg_foo files are created again, however for me this is not 
preferred, because I want to keep my current tree.

I remember vaguely that there is a setting to enable generation 
of ._cfg_foo files always, however I have searched on my system, forums 
and google, but I'm unable to find it. If actually this setting exists you 
might want to enable it by default, but definitely document it better.

IMHO portage should always behave the same whether you just synced or not. 
What do you guys think? b.t.w I'm using portage-2.1_pre7-r5


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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: generating ._cfg0000_foo multiple times between --sync

2006-04-15 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Saturday 15 April 2006 18:51, Duncan wrote:

 man emerge, search on --noconfmem, or emerge --help.  Both the usual
 places one looks for documentation on command line options for a Unix
 command cover it.  That seems decent documentation to me, as I didn't
 remember what the option was either as I've never needed to use it, but I
 found it relatively quickly when I needed to, and had looked over the
 manpage before when learning about emerge and portage, so was aware the
 command existed if needed.

 While making this a feature so the user can change the default might be
 debatable, the stated purpose and default seem sensible to me.

 Meanwhile, if you want that for your default, it's simple enough to do
 with a shell alias, or using the new EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS var in make.conf.

I have looked through the manpage and emerge --help, can't believe that I 
overlooked it twice. Thanks for your help/reply!!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Stepping aside...

2005-12-23 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Friday 23 December 2005 16:44, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
 Hi all

 It is with deep regret that I want to inform you about my decision to step
 down from the position of Gentoo Documentation lead.

I just want to say thank you very much for the outstanding work you (and the 
rest of the GDP-team) have done. I think that the quality and quantity of the 
things done by the GDP-team is something that a lot of projects can only 
dream about. (open en closed source software)


 I will remain a member of the Gentoo Documentation Project, hacking away at
 guides such as that bootstrapping one and the Gentoo Handbook, but I hand
 the coördination over to Xavier Neys who was virtually leading the GDP
 anyway and does seem to find a good balance between real-life and
 Gentoo-life :)

I wish Xavier good luck and a lot of fun with the (formalization of) new role 
within the GDP.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-05 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Saturday 05 November 2005 06:08, Jason Stubbs wrote:
 Why does `emerge --changelog` not suffice for package-specific news?

From a user/sys.admin point of view let me give you an example;

I maintain quite a lot Gentoo-systems. For me it's impossible to read _every_ 
changelog for minor release changes. For example not so long ago Apache was 
upgraded from 2.0.54-r15 to 2.0.54-r31. For me as a user/sys.admin based on 
versionnumbers this is a minor change. However the changes were rather 
extensive (e.g. reorganization of conf.files). 

When these changes occur I want to be informed _before_ I start emerge and I 
think that this information should be _pushed_ to users/sys.admins instead of 
_pulled_ from external sources (forums, website, mailinglist, etc. or 

If changelogs could be extended with a priority flag and emerge would notify 
me when a high priority changelog is applicable to my system then this would 
be just fine for me. Basically all I want is;

Notification that new relevant news items will be displayed via the
``emerge`` tool in a similar way to the existing configuration files need
updating messages:


* Important: 3 config files in /etc need updating.
* Type emerge --help config to learn how to update config files.

* Important: there are 2 security advisories released for installed 
* Type emerge --security to see the details.

* Important: there are 5 unread news items.
* Type emerge --help news to learn how to read news files.

If this is possible by extending the changelog I'm a happy users/sys.admin. I 
don't care if I need to type emerge --news or emerge --changelog as long the 
information is pushed.

Disclaimer; I'm not 100% sure that the versionnumbers from Apache mentioned 
above are exact the real world examples, but you get the idea.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-02 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Wednesday 02 November 2005 02:29, Brian Harring wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 10:16:35PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

  | How will it handle GLSAs then? [1]
  gentoolkit != portage.

 Correct.  Course, also incorrect.

A plan for handling GLSA's from portage (emerge --security) was announced some 
time ago. Is this still planned (i.o.w. portage handling xml)?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ${PORTDIR}/profiles/package.use

2005-10-21 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Friday 21 October 2005 04:56, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:49 pm, Dan Meltzer wrote:
  Why single out this one?  ones system will not break irreperbly
  without a cxx compiler, it'll just cause a another recompile to get it
  to work after breakage if the person is using -* (which has already
  been said to be hackish and ill-advised, so doom on them!

 it will actually

 if you build gcc w/out C++ support that means no libstdc++

 no libstdc++ means python on most boxes is now broken

 no python means no emerge

 how exactly are you going to re-emerge gcc then ?  oh, you cant ...

Can you think of a situation where this is desired? If not, why not remove the 
cxx IUSE and always build the C++-component?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dts useflag

2005-08-18 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Thursday 18 August 2005 05:29, Georgi Georgiev wrote:
 maillog: 18/08/2005-03:03:40(+0200): Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò types

  media-video/mplayer:dts - Enables libdts (5.1 surround sound audio) 

  I'll commit this tomorrow, when I'll be sure it's ok after an awake
  check. If nobody is against this, I'll also make dts useflag global
  (using ffmpeg/mplayer's description).

 I am certain that I have watched DVDs that had DTS audio with 7

Yup, DTS (or DD) doesn't say anything about how much channels are being used, 
lots of media use DTS or DD and only have 2 channels.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Devconference archives

2005-08-15 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Monday 15 August 2005 05:25, Corey Shields wrote:
 Archive links for the complete morning and afternoon sessions are at


Hi Corey (and IU),

Thanks a lot! Is it possible to download the media-files instead of streaming? 
This makes it a lot easier to skip/replay some parts of the session.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New MySQL doc

2005-07-12 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 06:38, Chris White wrote:
 Here's the initial devspace draft of the new MySQL draft I've been working

 Comments, etc are welcome.

This is a very good guide! Thanks a lot!!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on

2005-07-08 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Saturday 09 July 2005 00:25, Greg KH wrote:
  I.o.w. is it still necessary to have RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes as a
  default or can we move to a pure udev system and change the default to

 I've been running my boxes successfully with no since the option
 showed up just fine :)

Same over here on all boxes maintained by me (21 with different hardware). 
Using the tarball creates a lot of unnecessary clutter in /dev

If all ebuilds/enough ebuilds don't need to have the tarball, I would say 
change the default and let all users enjoy the pure udev ride.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 11:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i just returned from a meeting with IBM which was about getting
 support for Gentoo Linux (hardware and software). The people from IBM
 told me that it's possible for Gentoo to become officially supported
 on IBM server hardware (xSeries, pSeries and zSeries).

 They told me about their hardware offerings to the Debian Project so
 that they could certify their distribution. I think this is a great
 chance for gentoo to become more common for productive use.

 Is there a general interrest in doing this and how can this start?

Interest; yes, believe that it will happen in the (forseeable) future; 
absolutely not.

The biggest showstopper is that needs to be fixed first is lack of 
- Gentoo is extremely customizable (USE-flags, compiler settings, etc.). To 
achieve predictability all those customizable options need to be locked.
- moving Portage-tree; if I install a system today, it wont be the same as a 
system I installed one month ago.
- no standard method of installation; supported OS's are basically clicking 
next, next, finish. Installation is done, system is identical. With Gentoo 
you get a lot of choices for a single component (e.g. vanilla-sources vs. 
gentoo-sources, vixie-cron vs. dcron, etc.). A default needs to be defined.

Second showstopper is lack of (LSB-)certification;
Like it or not, the typical managers in this world say if product x isn't 
y-certified we wont use/support it. Gentoo needs a profile for a 
LSB-compliant system.

There are more items that needs to be resolved before it's even possible to 
talk about official support. Good news is that with the current 
Gentoo-framework it's possible to fix both problems for example by creating 
a profile, lock everything in this profile and make sure old ebuilds are not 
removed during a sync. Other options are also possible (e.g. creating a 
separate tree). See GLEP 19 for more details. The only problem is lack of 
interest/time/priority from the developers/community.

If you want support from a company as big as IBM, you need to start smaller 
(e.g. NX, MySQL, Open-Xchange). If these companies are willing to support 
their products on Gentoo, then maybe bigger companies will follow.
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